Teixeira to Angels done deal.
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Obviously they didn't get equal value, but there's no since in watching Tex bolt in the offseason with nothing to show for him. Kotchman's only 25 and still should improve some in the coming seasons. I like the trade.
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So they gave up all that stuff last year for Tex, didn't get any better, got worse this year, traded Tex for maybe 50 cents on the dollar, and it was a good trade. Braves sheep.
I would have rather seen them go after Conor Jackson but it was apparent the D-Backs were not going to part with their talented young 1B . Kotchman is good and relatively young and as of lately has been swinging a hot bat. I'm not so sure about the pitcher they picked up(Stephen Marek) . I have not been able to find much info on him , but if he can pitch well in Mississippi , I think maybe Marek might get a shot this season to pitch in the bigs.
It certainly is not what we are used to seeing out of the Braves(sellers instead of buyers) for the last 15 years but I feel they filled a void now that they would not have been able to address immediately in the off-season. I give Wren a B- here. I think he got the most he could for Tex considering the teams which expressed interest were not going to overpay for a player who they would not be able to sign for the '09 season.
It certainly is not what we are used to seeing out of the Braves(sellers instead of buyers) for the last 15 years but I feel they filled a void now that they would not have been able to address immediately in the off-season. I give Wren a B- here. I think he got the most he could for Tex considering the teams which expressed interest were not going to overpay for a player who they would not be able to sign for the '09 season.
...because Kotchman is arbitration eligible and is about to get paid a ton of money. Meanwhile, the Braves would've gotten two compensatory draft picks when Tex bolted...both of which could've been worth more than what they got. For example, Mike Hampton left the Mets as a free agent after the 2000 season, and as compensation, the Mets received draft picks, one of which became this little-known guy named David Wright.
The Braves would be justified to move Tex if they got blown away by the other team. But this is no risk for the Angels, who basically get Tex for the stretch run, and if they don't sign him long term, they can use the draft picks to restock. Meanwhile, all the Braves get is the right to pay Kotchman.
Horrendous trade for the Braves, highway robbery for the Angels.
The Braves would be justified to move Tex if they got blown away by the other team. But this is no risk for the Angels, who basically get Tex for the stretch run, and if they don't sign him long term, they can use the draft picks to restock. Meanwhile, all the Braves get is the right to pay Kotchman.
Horrendous trade for the Braves, highway robbery for the Angels.
"For example, Mike Hampton left the Mets as a free agent after the 2000 season, and as compensation, the Mets received draft picks, one of which became this little-known guy named David Wright."
That's a ridiculous assertion that the Braves have a great chance to pick the next David Wright. The pick before David Wright was John Rheinecker. The pick after David Wright was Wyatt Allen. The only other name in the compensatory round of that year that i even recognize is Jayson Nix and Todd Linden, and the only reason i know who Linden is is because he played at LSU. Did the Braves get $0.50 on the dollar? Absolutely. If the Braves had it to do over again and hindsight was 20/20, would they have kept the prospects they sent to Texas and not traded for Tex originally? Absolutely. But given the situation, I think they made the right move. Nobody was going to offer the farm for a 3 month rental of Tex. And in return they got a guy who's probably going to be an above-average 1st baseman for the next few years. They got a young guy who's proven he can play in the big leagues. That draft pick they would've gotten would've been at best a 50/50 shot to ever make a big contribution at Turner Field.
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That's a ridiculous assertion that the Braves have a great chance to pick the next David Wright. The pick before David Wright was John Rheinecker. The pick after David Wright was Wyatt Allen. The only other name in the compensatory round of that year that i even recognize is Jayson Nix and Todd Linden, and the only reason i know who Linden is is because he played at LSU. Did the Braves get $0.50 on the dollar? Absolutely. If the Braves had it to do over again and hindsight was 20/20, would they have kept the prospects they sent to Texas and not traded for Tex originally? Absolutely. But given the situation, I think they made the right move. Nobody was going to offer the farm for a 3 month rental of Tex. And in return they got a guy who's probably going to be an above-average 1st baseman for the next few years. They got a young guy who's proven he can play in the big leagues. That draft pick they would've gotten would've been at best a 50/50 shot to ever make a big contribution at Turner Field.
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definitely a good move for the braves. if we're playing fantasy baseball this trade sucks but in reality it is pretty good given the circumstances.
last year they made the trade to try and make a move to get to the playoffs - it just didn't work. They had a good chance at making the playoffs this year until the entire pitching staff decided to go on the DL.
I'll never blame a team for making a move to try and win, which they did. And I agree with Bulldog from Birth - draft picks in baseball are crapshoots - Kotchman is at least proven to be a capable MLB player and the pitcher prospect is decent. Even if Casey is arbitration eligible he's not going to get a TON of money - he'll get a raise for sure but his statline is nothing that's going to break the bank.
Tex could have chose to work and deal and stay with the Braves, but we all know who his agent is so he's going to the highest bidder, regardless of location. This was probably the best offer the Braves were going to get. I like it better than taking Chad Tracy from Arizona.
I'll never blame a team for making a move to try and win, which they did. And I agree with Bulldog from Birth - draft picks in baseball are crapshoots - Kotchman is at least proven to be a capable MLB player and the pitcher prospect is decent. Even if Casey is arbitration eligible he's not going to get a TON of money - he'll get a raise for sure but his statline is nothing that's going to break the bank.
Tex could have chose to work and deal and stay with the Braves, but we all know who his agent is so he's going to the highest bidder, regardless of location. This was probably the best offer the Braves were going to get. I like it better than taking Chad Tracy from Arizona.
mind them getting rid of Tex. He was gone after this season anyway. What the Braves need is some starting pitching. Let's get the older arms out of there. I hated that Glavine came back. He is terrible. Hampton...washed up. Jurrgens is going to be good, but he will hit his stride next year. Hudson is the best we have got. It seems like we are always trying to salvage older guys for starters. It's not working. I don't care how good your hitting is...if you don't have good pitching, you won't win games.
ArrowDawg said:
The reality is the Braves haven't been anywhere near a championship caliber franchise for at least 5 years now. Shuerholtz was the most overrated GM in baseball. He stayed with an aging pitching staff too long and kept making moves to "keep it going for one more year." He eventually traded away all his prospects and was left with an old worn out pitching staff and no young talent because he'd traded it all away. </p>
is b/c Nady and Jackson were floated initially. I don' t blame the Dbacks for not trading Jackson.--that would've been an awful move by them.
Losing Tex doesn't really hurt my feelings that bad. It just kills a team when he doesn't hit in may. And he also seems to be the king of the insignificant HR.
Im a little puzzled that there seemed to be interest in Francouer and the Braves didn't pursue that more.
Losing Tex doesn't really hurt my feelings that bad. It just kills a team when he doesn't hit in may. And he also seems to be the king of the insignificant HR.
Im a little puzzled that there seemed to be interest in Francouer and the Braves didn't pursue that more.
the writer said the Braves will make a run for Ben Sheets in the offseason to go with Hudson and Jurrgens. That would be huge. linky link below.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080728&content_id=3212099&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080728&content_id=3212099&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl
The Tex deal i think was a good deal. Tex was going to demand more money than the Braves had to offer and they get a guy to play first. I think the Braves are hesitant with Frenchy b/c he is a big time money maker, there is No. 7 every where at turner field and I was there monday and he recieved the loudest ovation he is having a down year but he is starting to hit the ball a little more but still striking out a lot. Now pitching is a problem, Hampton owes the braves about 25-30 million. If Hudson has to have tommy john he will be out for most of the year next year, I would take the braves offering hampton around 4-5 million to pitch next season, if he makes the rest of his starts this year and they go out and get a real good pitcher and an ourfielder, say matt holiday for next year. Let Kotsay walk and put blanco in center. Campillo has proven he could pitch and JJ is definately a future ace. The injuries this year have killed the team.
Agree with most of your post except that if they can't afford Tex then they sure as hell can't afford Holliday.
The Jason Bay trade would have been awesome had that worked out. Jordan Schafer is the CF for '09 .. that guy will be better than most expect and an upgrade on Blanco and Kotsay. Jason Heyward is a year away from making Frenchy go away (I HOPE) .. I can't stand that guy ....
The Jason Bay trade would have been awesome had that worked out. Jordan Schafer is the CF for '09 .. that guy will be better than most expect and an upgrade on Blanco and Kotsay. Jason Heyward is a year away from making Frenchy go away (I HOPE) .. I can't stand that guy ....
is one of the "faces" of the Braves and is a hometown guy. I wonder how he would do away from home.
And I don't know about Jordan Schafer. He's had a pretty rough year in AA. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back in Pearl next year.</p>
And I don't know about Jordan Schafer. He's had a pretty rough year in AA. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back in Pearl next year.</p>
I think Holliday will demand less either money or guarenteed years, Tex apparently wants a lot of money over several years
this is from SI.com
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/john_donovan/07/29/teixeira.trade/index.html
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this is from SI.com
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/john_donovan/07/29/teixeira.trade/index.html
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I know there is two sides of the story, but it appears there is a big figure he wants. I hope Schafer does pan out, but at this point I have not seen him play bc of his suspension for cheating. I mentioned Blanco bc i have seen him play at this level and he has done well in the leadoff spot and brings speed the Braves have not had since Furcal left.
Bulldog from Birth said:
First of all, they get *two* draft picks for a departing type A free agent. Secondly, if your scouting department is worth a crap at all, you relish the opportunity to get those draft picks. It is a fact that with two first round picks, one of them is instantly a better prospect than the minor leaguer they got from the Angels. And certainly, as first rounders, both of them would have better upsides than both players they got in the trade, if their scouts do their job.
No, not every compensatory pick turns into David Wright. But every compensatory pick is the opportunity to find the next David Wright, and the Braves could've gotten two of those opportunities. I don't disagree with their decision to trade Tex, it's just that what you get back has to be better than what you're giving up and it didn't happen here.</p>
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