Texas Tech- NIL

Viennacock

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Did anyone see where all 100 Texas Tech players are getting $25k each per year. 85 scholarship players and 15 walkons. The wild west for sure. Just about anything goes.

I'm waiting for someone like Phil Knight to give every Oregon player $1M. It's just a matter of time before something like this happen and it's a drop in the bucket for some of these billionaires.
 
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18IsTheMan

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Phil Knight could pay $1 million to each of the 85 scholarship players. Every year. For 484 years.

This is assuming he didn't spend any money on anything else of course, but you get the idea.

He could, quite literally, buy Oregon a national title.
 
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Carried to its logical conclusion and unchecked by any subsequent regulation, NIL is the Devil.
True. The NCAA had proposed guidelines which I thought were rational....our state proposed similar restrictions....but no one seems to be following those guidelines at all.
 
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People keep blaming the coaches, the NCAA, the leagues, on and on, but in the end these high school players see the chance for big $$, it's now all they are thinking about and it's too late to reel it back in. Their minds have already been trained to think like a professional football players, I mean, there is no need to even mention the word "College Sports"or "Amateur Sports" anymore, it's gone. It is now following the path we all said it would, "they" will have to pay ALL the players because a lineman making "ZERO" isn't going to block for a QB that's making $1 Million and driving a $100,000 vehicle, the morale issues would be insurmountable. We also know that the next step is a mandatory requirement to pay all athletes, every WBB player, every women's volleyball player, every men's Lacrosse player, on and on, otherwise it will be discrimination. This is the country we live in now. All this was discussed ad nauseam here and on many sites for years, but the main response was .... these players deserve to get a part of the "take", part of the athletic department's revenue, just like the coaches. Nothing could be further from the truth, the players never worked for the university and they were already being paid handsomely with free room and board, free college education, free meals, a monthly stipend to spend as they choose, and the chance to showcase their talents and have a chance to one day play in the NFL.
We either accept that we are now watching paid athletes on farm leagues for the NFL, or we walk away and remember the good old days when they played for school pride, the fans, their hometown, and a chance to play in the NFL, among other things. I'm pretty sure where I will fall, just watching as it plays out.
 

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People keep blaming the coaches, the NCAA, the leagues, on and on, but in the end these high school players see the chance for big $$, it's now all they are thinking about and it's too late to reel it back in. Their minds have already been trained to think like a professional football players, I mean, there is no need to even mention the word "College Sports"or "Amateur Sports" anymore, it's gone. It is now following the path we all said it would, "they" will have to pay ALL the players because a lineman making "ZERO" isn't going to block for a QB that's making $1 Million and driving a $100,000 vehicle, the morale issues would be insurmountable. We also know that the next step is a mandatory requirement to pay all athletes, every WBB player, every women's volleyball player, every men's Lacrosse player, on and on, otherwise it will be discrimination. This is the country we live in now. All this was discussed ad nauseam here and on many sites for years, but the main response was .... these players deserve to get a part of the "take", part of the athletic department's revenue, just like the coaches. Nothing could be further from the truth, the players never worked for the university and they were already being paid handsomely with free room and board, free college education, free meals, a monthly stipend to spend as they choose, and the chance to showcase their talents and have a chance to one day play in the NFL.
We either accept that we are now watching paid athletes on farm leagues for the NFL, or we walk away and remember the good old days when they played for school pride, the fans, their hometown, and a chance to play in the NFL, among other things. I'm pretty sure where I will fall, just watching as it plays out.
Completely agree. Simple solution....make them meet the regular academic requirements of the university. Then let them sue the NFL to be able to play at 18....if they make it great, if they don't who cares...they just blew their chance at a free education.
 

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I long for the days when all I was concerned about was- is this player going to pan out, is that coach what we need, etc. Now I have to be a mix of Svengali and Philadelphia lawyer- and stay confused and anxious anyway
 

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Did anyone see where all 100 Texas Tech players are getting $25k each per year. 85 scholarship players and 15 walkons. The wild west for sure. Just about anything goes.

I'm waiting for someone like Phil Knight to give every Oregon player $1M. It's just a matter of time before something like this happen and it's a drop in the bucket for some of these billionaires.
Follow the money……..oil money
 

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Completely agree. Simple solution....make them meet the regular academic requirements of the university. Then let them sue the NFL to be able to play at 18....if they make it great, if they don't who cares...they just blew their chance at a free education.
Sensible approach, I think.
 

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It is, and all the NCAA had to do to prevent it was partner with the players. Instead they gambled that they could keep all the money to themselves.
I suppose something along those lines could have been worked out, maybe should have been. Perhaps it still can, but it will be thorny.

Now, many of the people supplying these funds either don't care about directing any of this particular money to the schools or are already contributing to schools in other ways. These people are looking to compensate players as an inducement.

Many of these businesses want the advertising that goes with the NIL and it has to do mainly with players touting their goods/services on social media, or in other ways. I think there needs to be some modification, though, if any can be formulated that will get through judicial review.
 
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Harvard Gamecock

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Did anyone see where all 100 Texas Tech players are getting $25k each per year. 85 scholarship players and 15 walkons. The wild west for sure. Just about anything goes.

I'm waiting for someone like Phil Knight to give every Oregon player $1M. It's just a matter of time before something like this happen and it's a drop in the bucket for some of these billionaires.
Sounds like they went cheap. 2.5 mill for the whole team. Some big oil man, or cattle rancher needed a write off.
 
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I suppose something along those lines could have been worked out, maybe should have been. Perhaps it still can, but it will be thorny.

Now, many of the people supplying these funds either don't care about directing any of this particular money to the schools or are already contributing to schools in other ways. These people are looking to compensate players as an inducement.

Many of these businesses want the advertising that goes with the NIL and it has to do mainly with players touting their goods/services on social media, or in other ways. I think there needs to be some modification, though, if any can be formulated that will get through judicial review.
Nothing new, (just look at all the bagman stories, too many to ignore) but now it's out in the open.
 

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Nothing new, (just look at all the bagman stories, too many to ignore) but now it's out in the open.
It's probably new to many of the people doing it. People who wanted to avoid illicit activity previously are now relieved of that concern.
 

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Similar to something like Gamestop, I'd love to see a group of bored wealthy individuals pool their funds and make a team such as Ball State a football powerhouse overnight as a pet project. The corporate geniuses who orchestraed this entire NIL debacle would be scrambling.
 

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I think this was a calculated move by TTU to show the looming mega-conferences that they can compete on that level. I think the conferences are going to break away from the NCAA and just move to a pay-for-play model - so if you want in, you'll have to show you can "pay."
 

18IsTheMan

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Jaheim Bell tweeted about the Tech NIl deal and has some likes from other Gamecocks.

Per the details of the NIL day, players have to complete local community service.
 

Rogue Cock

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I think this was a calculated move by TTU to show the looming mega-conferences that they can compete on that level. I think the conferences are going to break away from the NCAA and just move to a pay-for-play model - so if you want in, you'll have to show you can "pay."
I would be surprised if the schools themselves went to "pay-for-play." Too many employment, tax and other legal issues involved. Schools like TOSU have pushed the edge of the envelope on other matters regarding money made from school support, but I think this would be a bridge too far.
 
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I would be surprised if the schools themselve went to "pay-for-play." Too many employment, tax and other legal issues involved. Schools like TOSU have pushed the edge of the envelope on other matters regarding money made from school support, but I think this would be a bridge too far.
And it becomes no longer "amateur sports" just minor leagues for pros
 
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Rogue Cock

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But why? Who else besides the NCAA cares that college athletes retain amateurism?
Federal and State tax laws. State labor and employment laws. Etc...

Both have a much greater impact than the NCAA....especially financially.
 
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Federal and State tax laws. State labor and employment laws. Etc...

Both have a much greater impact than the NCAA....especially financially.
What’s the deal with community service? That does sound like a NIL issue. If I got a job while I was in college, would I also have to do community service?
 

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There's a million legal loopholes around all of that though.
No there isn't.....especially when it comes to amateur status v. "pay-for-play." And if they begin creating tax loopholes for that, I am getting back into doing tax law planning charging $750-$1,000/hr. Our Congress nor our legislature can write tax laws worth a damn and it will be 10+ years before they realize the mess they created.
 
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Rogue Cock

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What’s the deal with community service? That does sound like a NIL issue. If I got a job while I was in college, would I also have to do community service?
Good question. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that once "pay-for-play" begins shortly thereafter an offshoot of the NFLPA or another organization will start organizing the student-athletes. My guess would be community service requirements would end.
 

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No there isn't.....especially when it comes to amateur status v. "pay-for-play." And if they begin creating tax loopholes for that, I am getting back into doing tax law planning charging $750-$1,000/hr. Our Congress nor our legislature can write tax laws worth a damn and it will be 10+ years before they realize the mess they created.
Are you sure you want to limit that only to tax laws? đŸ˜‰
 
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Rogue Cock

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Are you sure you want to limit that only to tax laws? đŸ˜‰
Not really. But it is the area I know best....and I love it when they start messing with it. Yes....as my wife likes to remind me, I'm weird.
 

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I would be surprised if the schools themselves went to "pay-for-play." Too many employment, tax and other legal issues involved. Schools like TOSU have pushed the edge of the envelope on other matters regarding money made from school support, but I think this would be a bridge too far.
I was at a bridge too far a couple of bridges ago
 

Harvard Gamecock

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Similar to something like Gamestop, I'd love to see a group of bored wealthy individuals pool their funds and make a team such as Ball State a football powerhouse overnight as a pet project. The corporate geniuses who orchestraed this entire NIL debacle would be scrambling.
I know this in jest, but take those wealthy individuals as alumni to, let's say SMU (oh yeah, they definitely exist) and then watch what happens.
I'm actually surprised this isn't happening yet
 
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