The Athletic on the Transfer Portal and JUCO Recruiting…

[Maroon Eagle]

Provocative Question (and one I’ve wondered about too) here…

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Most juco signees, P5 programs, 2018-2023

PROGRAM	JC SIGNEES
Colorado	23
Kansas	20
Mississippi State	20
Kansas State	17
Nebraska	17
Oregon State	17
Ole Miss	16
West Virginia	16
Arizona State	15
TCU	15
Missouri	14
Tennessee	14
Maryland	14

Also:

Power 5 signees from junior college

RECRUITING CYCLE	POWER 5 SIGNEES
2023	58
2022	59
2021	45
2020	101
2019	112
2018	129

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

According to my count, we have 14 JCs that have football. Not including California, the next most in any state is eight (Minnesota), even Texas and NY only have six and five respectively. AL, TN and LA, have none, with GA, FL and Ark have one each. Why is the poorest state in the nation supporting so many of these expensive football programs? We need to cut some or all, football does nothing to further these JCs. Yes I realize we've had some recruiting successes using our JCs, but the juice is not worth the squeeze.

 

[Ranchdawg]

STATE / TERRITORY		NUMBER OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES		PERCENT OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES
California		185		11.0
Texas		126		7.5
Ohio		86		5.1
Florida		82		4.9
Pennsylvania		81		4.8
New York		78		4.6
North Carolina		71		4.2
Illinois		67		4.0
Georgia		54		3.2
Virginia		49		2.9
Missouri		42		2.5
Washington		42		2.5
Tennessee		38		2.3
Minnesota		37		2.2
Arizona		36		2.1
Colorado		36		2.1
Kansas		33		2.0
South Carolina		32		1.9
Alabama		31		1.8
Michigan		31		1.8
Louisiana		30		1.8
Arkansas		27		1.6
Oklahoma		24		1.4
Massachusetts		23		1.4
New Jersey		23		1.4
Kentucky		22		1.3
Wisconsin		22		1.3
Maryland		21		1.2
New Mexico		21		1.2
Oregon		21		1.2
West Virginia		20		1.2
Iowa		19		1.1
Mississippi		19		1.1
Puerto Rico		17		1.0
Indiana		15		0.9
Connecticut		13		0.8
Nevada		11		0.7
Utah		11		0.7
Maine		10		0.6
Nebraska		10		0.6
Hawaii		9		0.5
New Hampshire		8		0.5
Wyoming		8		0.5
Montana		7		0.4
Idaho		6		0.4
North Dakota		6		0.4
South Dakota		5		0.3
Vermont		3		0.2
Alaska		2		0.1
Delaware		2		0.1
Rhode Island		2		0.1
American Samoa		1		0.1
District of Columbia		1		0.1
Federated States of Micronesia		1		0.1
Guam		1		0.1
Marshall Islands		1		0.1
Northern Marianas		1		0.1
Palau		1		0.1

 

[Maroon Eagle]

According to my count, we have 14 JCs that have football. Not including California, the next most in any state is eight (Minnesota), even Texas and NY only have six and five respectively. AL, TN and LA, have none, with GA, FL and Ark have one each. Why is the poorest state in the nation supporting so many of these expensive football programs? We need to cut some or all, football does nothing to further these JCs. Yes I realize we've had some recruiting successes using our JCs, but the juice is not worth the squeeze.

I'd disagree with the notion that football does nothing to further the junior colleges.

The Mississippi CCs already limit the scholarships they offer to out-of-state students and the remainder of whatever grants-in-aid are made are generally given to Mississippi students & providing access to inexpensive, quality education to Mississippians in their road to successful lives has long been a mandate given to the state's community colleges.

(I'm not saying that's their mission: that's a completely different educational definition.)

And athletics is just one pathway by which Mississippians can succeed.

With all that stated, the point you raise in your last sentence (and I put that in bold) is one similar to what I've also said.

Now that the transfer portal is a part of university athletics that I wouldn't be surprised to see MSU sign fewer & fewer juco student athletes.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I'd disagree with the notion that football does nothing to further the junior colleges.

The Mississippi CCs already limit the scholarships they offer to out-of-state students and the remainder of whatever grants-in-aid are made are generally given to Mississippi students & providing access to inexpensive, quality education to Mississippians in their road to successful lives has long been a mandate given to the state's community colleges.

(I'm not saying that's their mission: that's a completely different educational definition.)

And athletics is just one pathway by which Mississippians can succeed.

With all that stated, the point you raise in your last sentence (and I put that in bold) is one similar to what I've also said.

Now that the transfer portal is a part of university athletics that I wouldn't be surprised to see MSU sign fewer & fewer juco student athletes.

I appreciate a rational and reasonable response, i still disagree, but i can see where there is merit in your opinion.

 

[Ranchdawg]

I'd disagree with the notion that football does nothing to further the junior colleges.

The Mississippi CCs already limit the scholarships they offer to out-of-state students and the remainder of whatever grants-in-aid are made are generally given to Mississippi students & providing access to inexpensive, quality education to Mississippians in their road to successful lives has long been a mandate given to the state's community colleges.

(I'm not saying that's their mission: that's a completely different educational definition.)

And athletics is just one pathway by which Mississippians can succeed.

With all that stated, the point you raise in your last sentence (and I put that in bold) is one similar to what I've also said.

Now that the transfer portal is a part of university athletics that I wouldn't be surprised to see MSU sign fewer & fewer juco student athletes.

Your last sentence is supported by the data you posted. I think we are already seeing CC players going to the lower divisions of the NCAA.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

You wanna talk about some cut throat recruiting. You should look into how the JCs are doing it now that the athletes can be recruited outside of counties that don't directly support the JC.
It's a lot more petty because the stakes are a lot smaller.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Nationwide, it seems that the numbers would eventually settle out, but the big question is where. It's obvious now that it's less and less in the Power 5.

That said......I do think the JUCOs are still very valuable for MSU, because we have a system right here in our state that can find the overlooked 'overlooked' guys. Guys like Vick Ballard.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

You wanna talk about some cut throat recruiting. You should look into how the JCs are doing it now that the athletes can be recruited outside of counties that don't directly support the JC.
It's a lot more petty because the stakes are a lot smaller.

I know a few people who didn't like that they were bound to play sports for the JC in their district if the JC wanted them.

The only workaround was if they went out-of-state.