The Greek system…

Xenomorph

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How important is the Greek system to the overall health of the university?
 

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It’s a huge part of the University, but I might be biased. I realize independent students could care less potentially about Greek Life; each one brings community involvement, philanthropy, social opportunities for kids, and other things … … beyond the parties that everyone sees. Probably didn’t answer your question pertaining to the Health, but they play a role on most campuses.
 

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It’s a big thing in the South, and almost nowhere else. The honest answer is that it matters a lot to some people, and is probably a significant economic boost at places like Ole Miss, Georgia, Texas, SMU, etc.

The pragmatic answer is that in 2025 it shouldn’t matter at all.
 

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It’s a big thing in the South, and almost nowhere else. The honest answer is that it matters a lot to some people, and is probably a significant economic boost at places like Ole Miss, Georgia, Texas, SMU, etc.

The pragmatic answer is that in 2025 it shouldn’t matter at all.
But I’m talking about reality in MS and the SEC. How important is a strong Greek system on campus?
 

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It matters. We need to recruit prospective students that meet and exceed our admission standards. Having opportunities in addition to academics for them to pursue only enhances our offering as a university - fraternities and sororities included. The houses also add to the campus appearance.

I can promise you if the damn camera guys at football games would stop focusing on the body paint gang and find some pretty sorority girls - it would only help our outside perception.
 

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It matters. We need to recruit prospective students that meet and exceed our admission standards. Having opportunities in addition to academics for them to pursue only enhances our offering as a university - fraternities and sororities included. The houses also add to the campus appearance.

I can promise you if the damn camera guys at football games would stop focusing on the body paint gang and find some pretty sorority girls - it would only help our outside perception.
This⬆️💯
 

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My $0.02: A strong Greek system has never been more important to State and the schools with which we compete.

A huge portion of kids will never participate in a Greek organization before going on to successful lives post grad.. and that’s awesome.

However there is a segment of prospective students judging schools by their Greek reputation who are hyper competitive over grades, community involvement and personal reputations. They’re looking for a strong fraternity or sorority and a boatload of them will go on to be leaders in their fields.

That segment of kid also obviously comes from family situations where the parents can afford things like season tickets, parents’ weekend visits and gameday condos. All the things that make a college town go.

If I were the University I’d be on a bunch of fraternities’ asses to put up or shut up when it comes to their buildings on campus. Fraternity row is the front door to the west side of MSU and it has looked like steadily increasing levels of dogshit since the mid 90’s.
 

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One of my old college roommates said this about frats when the one his brother was in tried to get him to join as a legacy...

"Give me all your money and eat this grape out of my *** and we'll be friends for 4 years."

Suffice to say he did not join.
It’s not 1983 anymore and Larry Chucklefuck pulling that crap has long been shown the door.
 

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It matters. We need to recruit prospective students that meet and exceed our admission standards. Having opportunities in addition to academics for them to pursue only enhances our offering as a university - fraternities and sororities included. The houses also add to the campus appearance.

I can promise you if the damn camera guys at football games would stop focusing on the body paint gang and find some pretty sorority girls - it would only help our outside perception.
Amen brother ! please for the love of all things sacred stop putting them on tv.

Greek life matters big time. It pulls kids with money to the city and university a high tide raises all boats. It helps pull out of state high tuition kids too.
 

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My $0.02: A strong Greek system has never been more important to State and the schools with which we compete.

A huge portion of kids will never participate in a Greek organization before going on to successful lives post grad.. and that’s awesome.

However there is a segment of prospective students judging schools by their Greek reputation who are hyper competitive over grades, community involvement and personal reputations. They’re looking for a strong fraternity or sorority and a boatload of them will go on to be leaders in their fields.

That segment of kid also obviously comes from family situations where the parents can afford things like season tickets, parents’ weekend visits and gameday condos. All the things that make a college town go.

If I were the University I’d be on a bunch of fraternities’ asses to put up or shut up when it comes to their buildings on campus. Fraternity row is the front door to the west side of MSU and it has looked like steadily increasing levels of dogshit since the mid 90’s.
Front row fraternities look great. Back row looks like trash - much like it always has.
 

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I’ll say this and hush; from my fraternity standpoint, it brought kids into not only Greek Life, but it brought them into the University and a Social Standpoint. Whether you realize it or not, the Greeks are recruiting just like the University. The only difference is, once the kids get here, are you just in a fraternity or sorority? We use to actively push folks to be active on campus! Join other clubs, join other organizations, be active. Don’t just say once I graduated all I did was Greek. Give back! Of course party, but 17n do something with yourself and be more than just Greek. Whether they did or didn’t was up to them. To answer the question … YES it helps the HEALTH
 

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I think buying friends in college is not necessary. I made plenty of friends without spending thousands of dollars.
Don’t disagree on either count but it’s not really what this question is about.
 

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The Greek system has 0 importance in college in 2025.
If it didn't exist anywhere, MSU and other universities would continue to exist. Even Bama, with its shallow materialistic Sororities being social media famous, would continue to exist and thrive.

But since it exists elsewhere, it sure as 17 needs to exist at MSU too.
If MSU got rid of it, and everywhere else still had it, MSU would for sure be at a disadvantage for quality students.
 

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Would those people not want to lead if Greek houses weren't a thing?
I think the point is leaders are attracted to all sorts of competitive organizations and for a lot of them Greek affiliations are part of that puzzle. Giving those types of students an opportunity to compete socially is important.
 
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I guess to end this thread lol, kids now days are just different. Yes this isn’t the early days of Greek Life. These cats now days are posting everything, Tok-Tikn everything, and it’s just a different student coming in; or they are now! So ……. Don’t really know how to answer that Health Question. Bigger question is … how would you respond to your kid if they said …. I’m rushing??
 

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I never could get into somebody hazing me and being subservient to somebody just because they were older than you. I've also never done drugs and I don't drink that often. Then again I run my own business because I don't like being told what to do. The older I get, the more I appreciate the sorority girls though, so I'm all for it. Maybe they will donate a crapload of NIL money.
 

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I remember ole miss frats “recruiting” me with straight cash and showing me a good time in my home town during the summer before freshman year of college. Made a couple hundred bucks off of that. Then i went to state.
 
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I guess to end this thread lol, kids now days are just different. Yes this isn’t the early days of Greek Life. These cats now days are posting everything, Tok-Tikn everything, and it’s just a different student coming in; or they are now! So ……. Don’t really know how to answer that Health Question. Bigger question is … how would you respond to your kid if they said …. I’m rushing??
both my daughters one at Bama one at Texas went through rush. Wouldn’t want my kids not to go through rush
 
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It matters. We need to recruit prospective students that meet and exceed our admission standards. Having opportunities in addition to academics for them to pursue only enhances our offering as a university - fraternities and sororities included. The houses also add to the campus appearance.

I can promise you if the damn camera guys at football games would stop focusing on the body paint gang and find some pretty sorority girls - it would only help our outside perception.
The ideal scenario would be sorority girls joining the body paint gang.
 

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They would. But it might not be at MSU.
Correct. This is why I posed the question and also replied in a separate post about there being a difference between MSU not having Greek and NOBODY having Greek.

The Greek system is only important to the health of the university if the Greek system exists elsewhere. The Greek system on its own is unimportant when considering the health of the university. But the Greek system existing elsewhere means it is critical to the health of MSU.
 

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Correct. This is why I posed the question and also replied in a separate post about there being a difference between MSU not having Greek and NOBODY having Greek.

The Greek system is only important to the health of the university if the Greek system exists elsewhere. The Greek system on its own is unimportant when considering the health of the university. But the Greek system existing elsewhere means it is critical to the health of MSU.
Exactly. It is a critical aspect of the student experience and our university whether you choose to participate or not.

Having “things” and “nice things” matters. In athletics - are the LED lights critical? Do we have to have them to stay relevant? I am sure some students don’t know or care about athletics - do we have to have them?