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RebelBruiser

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Well, from what I read in that thread, most everyone on there was listing what they thought was their biggest game of the year, not who their biggest rival was. Those are two different things. Arkansas lists us as their biggest game this fall due to the Houston Nutt thing. Most LSU fans have Alabama circled on their schedule now because of Nick Saban. Neither of those are traditional rivalries, but for the fanbases, they are the games they care about the most for the coming season.

To further illustrate that point, look at how many posters list more than one team. They are simply listing who their biggest games are this fall, which does not include us because we aren't in position to compete for the West title with them. And yes, quite a few of them mention us as their traditional rival, so I think it still fits what patdog was saying.
 

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but the only reason ole miss/lsu was considered a "rivalry" was because it used to be each other's biggest game b/c you were both good. A true rivalry withstands a 30 year drought from one school and another fairly lengthy one from the other.
 

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Some rivalries are short-lived and some are long-lived. The Egg Bowl is an obvious long-term rivalry game. A short term rivalry would be one in which at least one team hates the #$*%& @)#&% out of the other team and desperately wants to beat them for one reason or another. Short term rivalries end when the W-L between the two teams becomes more balanced and neither hates the other as much.

Given our record against any team in any sport in the state of Arkansas, I'd say they're a rival to us. This used to be the case with Alabama until we started beating them - although I still hold some hate for Bama.
 

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bonedaddy401 said:
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I did, and quite a few posters mention us as their traditional rival, even though they list other games as being bigger these days. Again, many of them mention that other games are more important these days mainly because of our recent struggles, but as I showed you, that's not the definition of a rivalry.

For the last few years, as I mentioned earlier, West Virginia would probably have listed Louisville as the most important game on their schedule. However, Pittsburgh was still a rivalry game.

For Oklahoma, they'd probably list Texas as their most important game every year, though Oklahoma State is still a rivalry game.

For Tennessee during the 90s, Florida was their biggest game every year, even though Alabama was a more traditional rival. You don't seem to get that do you?
 

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but the only reason ole miss/lsu was considered a "rivalry" was because it used to be each other's biggest game b/c you were both good. A true
rivalry withstands a 30 year drought from one school and another fairly lengthy one from the other.

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You're probably right. I'd compare it somewhat to Tennessee-Florida. Those two schools built somewhat of a rivalry in the 90s being each other's biggest game each year. Now, it's not quite as big of a rivalry because both teams aren't the only two teams competing for titles in the East anymore.

However, there will always be UT fans to consider Florida a rivalry and there will always be Florida fans to consider UT a rivalry even if one or both programs hits a skid for a little while. However, you are correct that Ole Miss-LSU is not a rivalry in the same light that OM-MSU is a rivalry or Alabama-Auburn.

For that matter, you can throw Alabama-UT in that same boat. The reason they became big rivals is because it used to be the biggest game of the year for both schools, not because they had some sort of natural rivalry. However, it has held on as a rivalry game to the fans partially due to Fulmer and partially due to the fact that it was a big game between the two for a longer period. Still, it doesn't hold quite the same weight for most Bama fans as Auburn does traditionally.
 

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RebelBruiser wrote: _________________________________________________
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And to you good sir check the link DS provided, then shut your mouth.

I did, and quite a few posters mention us as their traditional rival, even though they list other games as being bigger these days. Again, many of them mention that other games are more important these days mainly because of our recent struggles, but as I showed you, that's not the definition of a rivalry.

For the last few years, as I mentioned earlier, West Virginia would probably have listed Louisville as the most important game on their schedule. However, Pittsburgh was still a rivalry game.

For Oklahoma, they'd probably list Texas as their most important game every year, though Oklahoma State is still a rivalry game.

For Tennessee during the 90s, Florida was their biggest game every year, even though Alabama was a more traditional rival. You don't seem to get that do you?

</p>but aparently you don't seem to get this.....And I quote:

"Arkansas, like LSU, doesn't have a true natural rival. Our rival was Ole Miss but they haven't had much significance in the last few decades." - JIMBLAST

This is a great example of what everyone is saying over there. Go ahead, read it yourself. .
 

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I don't think this article falls under their notability requirement. You could potentially call every SEC matchup a rivalry.
 

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RebelBruiser said:
Well, from what I read in that thread, most everyone on there was listing what they thought was their biggest game of the year, not who their biggest rival was. Those are two different things. Arkansas lists us as their biggest game this fall due to the Houston Nutt thing. Most LSU fans have Alabama circled on their schedule now because of Nick Saban. Neither of those are traditional rivalries, but for the fanbases, they are the games they care about the most for the coming season.

To further illustrate that point, look at how many posters list more than one team. They are simply listing who their biggest games are this fall, which does not include us because we aren't in position to compete for the West title with them. And yes, quite a few of them mention us as their traditional rival, so I think it still fits what patdog was saying.

</p>Are you in loser denial or something?
 
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They're both rivalries. The State rivalry is bigger now because of LSU's resurgence as an SEC power. I'd guess people who say that were around during the Vaught years when LSU was without question our biggest rival and the State game took a back seat. Bottom line, though, is the Egg Bowl is obviously the bigger and more official rivalry and goes back much further to things like when Ole Miss won the game for the first time in several years and the students stormed the field in Starkville only to be beaten with folding chairs. Can you imagine witnessing that ****, btw?

I will say this. I'd rather beat LSU than MSU. But, I'd rather lose to LSU than MSU. (if that makes any sense) You can probably relate to this when playing Bama.
 

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They're both rivalries. The State rivalry is bigger now because of LSU's resurgence as an SEC power. I'd guess people who say that were around during the Vaught years when LSU was without question our biggest rival and the State game took a back seat. Bottom line, though, is the Egg Bowl is obviously the bigger and more official rivalry and goes back much further to things like when Ole Miss won the game for the first time in several years and the students stormed the field in Starkville only to be beaten with folding chairs. Can you imagine witnessing that ****, btw?

<span style="font-weight: bold;">I will say this. I'd rather beat LSU than MSU. But, I'd rather lose to LSU than MSU.</span> (if that makes any sense) You can probably relate to this when playing Bama.

That's why I consider it the bigger rivalry. MSU is a different kind of rivalry. I'll pull for MSU in big games that don't hurt us, and my coworkers in Vicksburg (the maroon coworkers) pulled for Ole Miss in the Cotton Bowl. I never pull for LSU.
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LSU's different. They're not Mississippi. They're obnoxious, they've got a badass football program, we compete with them academically more (as both are the non-land-grant schools)... There's much more of a cultural difference between OM and LSU than there is between OM and MSU. I have friends at MSU, my friends all have kin at MSU. It's much more a family rivalry. But with LSU, it's those goddamned coonass loudmouths who I want to kick in the teeth. I had a great conversation with an LSU med student the last time I was stuck in Detroit airport (about the rivalry), and he assured me that Ole Miss is a game they absolutely never want to lose. They always bring a good crowd to Oxford, and we always do our best to take over Baton Rouge. LSU weekend is always a party-until-you-have-alochol-poisoning kind of atmosphere.
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If y'all are so hardcore about picking who our rival is for us, well, it's your life, you can waste brain cells how you like. A bunch of state fans telling me who my team's rival is isn't going to get me upset.
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Fartworth.nafoom

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I don't say LSU is our rival to pump my own self-esteem up. They simply are. It's long-standing.

And the game's pretty much always competitive no matter how bad Ole Miss is during a given season. I can't say the same for MSU v. LSU. Not saying that to slam MSU, but the LSU v. Ole Miss game is just always a lot more contentious.

As for gel-haired young sidewalk alum fans of LSU, they may not really get it. They'd be the people posting "Well this year it's Auburn, next year it's Bama" or something.

In the late '90s we beat LSU a good bit, and their fans evacuated their stadium at halftime. I didn't disown them as a rival then.
 
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Fartworth.nafoom

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Someone here said Ole Miss still insist LSU's our rival because it makes us feel bigger, that our rival is a national champ. By that logic, LSU disowns us as rival and claims Bama or Florida to make themselves feel bigger year in year out?

Raving sidewalk alums who call into talk shows aren't always the best measuring stick anyway.
 
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Fartworth.nafoom

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Maybe they want us to be their rival now, I don't know. Kind of like how we hated Auburn so badly for several years after Tubby.

LSU's just always been a rival to us that doesn't wash away when one's good and the other one sucks. They're kind of like a cousin you don't like but are connected by blood somehow.
 

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the way it goes is ALL ole miss fans claim lsu as a rival and believe me that street doesn't run both ways. i work offshore with about 200 other people and probably 150 of those are lsu fans as you might imagine. out of those there maybe 10 or 15 that will say ole miss is a rival the rest of them just look at you with a puzzled look when you say something about it. its really bad sometimes because we have a few ole miss fans out here that at different times try to bring up this very thing and just get laughed at. of course they try to spin it and say the lsu fans just don't want to admit it, which makes absolutely no sense, but the bottom line is the ole miss fans view this game as alot more of a rival than the lsu fans do.

no need to try to convince me otherwise, like i said i work with about 150 of those lsu pricks and its been brought up plenty of times by the ole miss fans out here. its the same way with state and alabama. most any state fan would tell you bama is one of our rivals, i myself will tell you that, but not all bama fans consider state a rival its just a fact.
 
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dawgwhisperer said:
the way it goes is ALL ole miss fans claim lsu as a rival and believe me that street doesn't run both ways. i work offshore with about 200 other people and probably 150 of those are lsu fans as you might imagine. out of those there maybe 10 or 15 that will say ole miss is a rival the rest of them just look at you with a puzzled look when you say something about it. its really bad sometimes because we have a few ole miss fans out here that at different times try to bring up this very thing and just get laughed at. of course they try to spin it and say the lsu fans just don't want to admit it, which makes absolutely no sense, but the bottom line is the ole miss fans view this game as alot more of a rival than the lsu fans do.

no need to try to convince me otherwise, like i said i work with about 150 of those lsu pricks and its been brought up plenty of times by the ole miss fans out here. its the same way with state and alabama. most any state fan would tell you bama is one of our rivals, i myself will tell you that, but not all bama fans consider state a rival its just a fact.

...are a great indicator. Actual graduates of LSU know it's a rivaly. Dropouts or Nichols State grads on a rig likely consider their sidewalk alumni counterparts at Bama their true rivals.</p>
 

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my point exactly, like i said All ole miss fans consider lsu their rival whether they are alumni or not. i have never talked to an ole miss fan that doesn't consider lsu their rival. i'm just saying that street doesn't run both ways. i'm not even saying that at some level lsu isn't one of your rivals, just saying its by far bigger to ole miss fans than lsu fans. if you can't at least admit that your just fooling yourself.
 

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Some teams just don't have as many reasons to hate other schools. You have to look at tradition, competition, geographic location, and historical moves to fully understand where a fan base is coming from.

No doubt, LSU-Ole Miss is a rivalry, and based on tradition, LSU's most hated opponent is Ole Miss. Any LSU fan I've ever talked to claims Ole Miss to be the "traditional" rival. However, because Auburn and LSU seem to compete for the Western Division every year now, not to mention the competitiveness of each game they've played the last several years, the game is considered bigger than a seemingly meaningless match-up with Ole Miss (which surprisingly enough has been a lot closer than people realize the last few years). Recent moves and the history that they become will play an important factor on the shape that the LSU-Alabama game takes over the next few years. But for now, Ole Miss is still LSU's biggest rival.

Arkansas has the unfortunate situation of being a team that joined the conference long after the 10 members that have made up the conference during the modern era. The LSU-Arkansas "rivalry" is just the SEC's way to give each team a "rivalry bowl," much like the Egg and Iron. Only thing is, these teams don't have a long standing tradition of playing each other, nor are they remotely close to one another. Sure, their state borders touch, but Fayetteville is the same distance from Baton Rouge as Knoxville, and is further away from Baton Rouge than any other SEC town except for Lexington and Columbia. In essence, that game means about as much to LSU fans as the game against State does. And I'd say based on geography and history (recent history) Arkansas's biggest rival in the conference has to be Ole Miss right now. Even if Rebel fans don't really care.

Based on tradition, geography, history, etc...Ole Miss has every right to claim State and LSU as rivals, much like we claim Ole Miss and Alabama. With these two Mississippi teams, who you hate more probably has everything to do with where you grew up, experiences you had in Oxford, Starkville, Baton Rouge, or Tuscaloosa, and more relevantly, how those teams have performed recently in each sport. I hate Alabama about as much as I hate Ole Miss not only because Alabama fans live in the past, act like bitches, etc.. but because I love basketball almost as much as football, and because I grew up near the AL-MS state line, where there's about as much Crimson as there is Dixie.

State fans: Are you mad that Ole Miss has more rivals than us? Well, they do. But all that means is that more people hate them than us. And that means we're more likable than them. At least that's how this State fan is choosing to look at it. The bottom line is both State and Ole Miss fans should be glad that we have deep, significant rivals to begin with, and appreciate the importance (although meaningless in the grand scheme of things) that we place and subsequently argue over all year long...

It's college football, baby. And soon enough, it'll be all over us.
 

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UM beat them many times in the past few decades. In fact I think they were fairly even from 1980-2000. I don't know why the rivalry would decrease during that period. I went to many LSU-UM games in the 1990s. It was a big rivalry. I think that may have changed more since 2000, but the rebs still upset them in BR in 2001. LSU has just been a lot better than most teams in the past 5 years and haven't lost many games to anyone. The difference in an intrastate rivalry is the sharp bitterness and acrimony that exists between the fans and schools. I dislike UM a lot more than LSU or Bama. I would love to beat LSU or Bama but I hate to lose to the rebs.
 

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Good point on the decades thing. That's likely just the random coon *** off the oil rig kind of talk. LSU alums I've been around don't particularly worry about Ole Miss but they know that LSU was far from dominant against Mississippi in the last couple of decades pre-Saban and the alums know the history enough from the older generation for it to still be there. The fact that no one else has truly taken over the most hated role for LSU probably leaves UM there as much by default as anything. I always thought TAMU could be that team maybe but it never quite worked out.

Our own tend to automatically think that LSU owns UM simply b/c LSU owns MSU. UMiss folks are much the same about Bama not realizing that MSU has had reasonable success against the Tide over that time span while the Rebs can barely buy a win against them.
 
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I understand State fans have no idea what tradition is, how it feels to have it, and what it means to the OM/LSU series. Tradition is not one trip to Atlanta or almost beating Bama in 1991 or even playing a good bowl game while its snowing.

YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.

suck it **+%#*#
 
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The OM/LSU game is a rivalry because of tradition. It has nothing to do with how good the two teams are now.
 
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