1.) We do not deserve to be national champions.
2.) We absolutely have a puncher‘s chance at being national champions.
2.) We absolutely have a puncher‘s chance at being national champions.
There are 2 things I learned tonight
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Allar played really great at times, but has to eliminate the mistakes going forward. Also, playcalling was suspect at times. Tough loss to a really good team.
I agree to a certain point. Last year, we criticized Allar for not taking chances and playing too much like he didn’t want to make a mistake. I’ll take this version of Allar 10 out of 10 times.
3. I’m a dickhead for giving up on this team in the 1st half. They have a hell of a lot more character than I ever will.
If Drew had the Oregon WR or anyone close to him we would be BIG champs. That’s a good Oregon team. You will have to catch them on an off day if you want to beat them. Would like to see us get OSU again with that kind of effort.
They beat themselves. 1st INT gave Oregon a gift TD. There was the missed FG, going for 2 at 38-30, no reason to go for 2. The 2nd INT was an unneeded play call. 2nd and 1 with 2 minutes left and they couldn't stop Allen and Singleton. Ram it down their throats. Throw in the 4 unsportsmanlike penalties and you have a recipe for disaster. Should have won this game. History of Franklin teams.
I honestly thought our defense was better than that.
Can't blame the O for sure, damn near 300 on the ground, Allar stepped up, Kotelnicki kept Oregon on their heels, etc.. Defense just got torched everywhere possible last night. Good thing is UO might just be as good a team as they could possibly face.
No problem - Oregon is good.
BUT - when the BIG 10 decides Penn State will not win, it is hard to beat the refs and the opposing team.
Even Danielson remarked on the missed calls that would have cancelled one Oregon TD, the refs ignoring one PSU completed pass and marking the ball back to 2nd and 10. Is 'holding' actually a penalty?
I will admit the defense in the first half was not good, facemask penalties do happen, but 2 unsportsmanlike penalties were ticky-tacky at best. There was one TV shot where the head ref just looked at an Oregon penalty, and did not call it. IF this was the same crew as the Ohio State game - then we actually knew PSU was not allowed to win.
Over the years, this has happened too many times before. Is it too much to ask to play the game without bias?
BUT - when the BIG 10 decides Penn State will not win, it is hard to beat the refs and the opposing team.
Even Danielson remarked on the missed calls that would have cancelled one Oregon TD, the refs ignoring one PSU completed pass and marking the ball back to 2nd and 10. Is 'holding' actually a penalty?
I will admit the defense in the first half was not good, facemask penalties do happen, but 2 unsportsmanlike penalties were ticky-tacky at best. There was one TV shot where the head ref just looked at an Oregon penalty, and did not call it. IF this was the same crew as the Ohio State game - then we actually knew PSU was not allowed to win.
Over the years, this has happened too many times before. Is it too much to ask to play the game without bias?
Way too many defensive coverage busts. I think Oregon wins most match ups is they play repeatedly. Penn State showed a lot of fight but I think Oregon is a slightly better team
The equation for this team would likely be fairly different if we still had the level of WR recruiting we had even a half decade ago (and prior). Franklin has always been able to bring in very talented blue chip players, but there also always seems to be a critical position group that lags behind other groups in recruiting. That position group has shifted over time, but lately it’s been the receiver corps. It’s just the classic what if…
Lack of legit threat at WR and lack of depth/talent at LB big issues.
One thing I learned, college football will be a lot different when these man-child COVID 6th year QBs are gone.
I couldn't believe the number of holds that I saw on my tv screen. I can't imagine how many more there were that I didn't see. I don't think there was one holding call in the whole game-I could be wrong. I am not saying we win the game, but our defense was made ineffective by how quickly the Oregon quarterback got rid of the ball and the zero holding penalties.
Thhis PSU team showed me something last night. Each time Oregon scored after PSU scoring the players never folded their tents. They kept punching and were driving late to tie the game. They hung with the #1 team for 4 quarters. They absolutely have a chance to make a run in the playoffs
You know that’s called a moral victory.
it’s still 1-14.
My wife and I were returning from a trip to see her dad, who is in late-stage dementia and may not make it to Christmas, so we wanted to see him one last time (he's in very bad shape, BTW; at 99 he has lived a long, good life, but his memory is almost nil, and after an "episode" a couple months ago, he's non-ambulatory and incoherent most of the time). The game started after we got to the airport and I was keeping tabs on the score - 7-0, then 7-3, then 14-3, etc., when we got home it was 28-10 and I figured that's game over. My wife and I were very tired after a long day of traveling, so we went to bed when it was 38-30. I figured Penn State would likely not be able to overcome that deficit to win (they had trailed all night), and thought that if something good happened, there's always Tivo, and tomorrow. TBH, I wasn't as "into" this game as I thought I might be. Penn State will make the playoffs regardless, and a B1G title is nice, but not that big a deal - especially since Penn State kinda backed into the playoffs with Michigan unexpectedly beating OSU.
From what little I observed last night and everything I observed this year, this Penn State team is very capable but not yet quite at the top level. Agree that they have a puncher's chance of winning any game, but history says they probably won't. This game didn't do anything, I think, to change the "narrative" that Franklin is a very good coach that can get you into the playoffs - but just can't win the big games. It'll be interesting to see what Penn State can do in the playoffs.
From what little I observed last night and everything I observed this year, this Penn State team is very capable but not yet quite at the top level. Agree that they have a puncher's chance of winning any game, but history says they probably won't. This game didn't do anything, I think, to change the "narrative" that Franklin is a very good coach that can get you into the playoffs - but just can't win the big games. It'll be interesting to see what Penn State can do in the playoffs.
Which would you say impacted the outcome more....the bad officiating or our mistakes?
A change in either and the result is different, we were in it to the end regardless.
Maybe go buy some Oregon gear?
I agree. If we can eliminate the mistakes going into the playoffs, we could win a few games. We can't control the officiating.
If we win four more games, we absolutely deserve to be national champions.
SHUT UP! YOU’RE LUCKY YOU’RE PLAYING! B1G official to Matt McGloin after a screwing at Nebraska.
I thought the team looked sluggish. Guys just looked spent for some reason. I think the week off will be very beneficial for this team.
Agreed. I always tell my friends, why complain about the officiating. We have no control over it. Complain about the dumb personal fouls and mental errors. We certainly have can change that. When 2 teams are fairly evenly matched you can bet the team which makes the fewest mistakes will come out on top.
Matt McGloin told me that it didn’t happen to him. If a ref said it, he didn’t say it to Matt.
Unnecessry roughness call on a touchback is insane. Franklin should be running some guys silly this week.
No matter what YOU post, Penn State is not firing this coach.
Watching the replay on BTN and Tez Johnson is uncontested on nearly every catch he has. Wide open.
What do you believe he does? IMO I don't believe he applies enough discipline. I say that simply because we see the same dumb personal fouls over the course of the season.
Dunno. But we had two unnecessary roughness calls in a span of five minutes. That has to stop.
Agree...I knew we were in trouble when on the first drive Tracy made a GREAT play to fight through a block and make a tackle all while being put in a choke hold! ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC officiating...Oregon is a great team, but we didn't get a fair shake and that is simply a fact that was pointed out several times during the broadcast. I thought we were play tOSU or scUM.
Illegal man downfield....directly led to Oregon TD
On Big 4th down there WR clearly pushed off to get seperation.....should have been OPI
Oregon player made catch or juggled ball maybe fumble?? didn't even get reviewed!!
Final INT Oregon DB clearly grabbed with 2 hands the jersey of Wallace...no PI
Evans catch that wasn't even reviewed when it was easily a catch
These were just the pther BIG calls or non calls and ALL benefited Oregon...not to mention the NUMEROUS holding misses on Carter and DDS. By far worst officiated game of the year.
Poise issues always seem to pop up in the big games 
Dumb personal fouls, 1 awful INT (other INT was a great play by the defender)
Going for 2 was dumb, imagine if PSU scores at the end and the 2 pt conversion fails
I hope our remaining games are on grass, turf favors a team like Oregon
SMU deserves a spot but would any of us pick them head to head against Alabama?
Dumb personal fouls, 1 awful INT (other INT was a great play by the defender)
Going for 2 was dumb, imagine if PSU scores at the end and the 2 pt conversion fails
I hope our remaining games are on grass, turf favors a team like Oregon
SMU deserves a spot but would any of us pick them head to head against Alabama?
Poise issues always seem to pop up in the big games
Dumb personal fouls, 1 awful INT (other INT was a great play by the defender)
Going for 2 was dumb, imagine if PSU scores at the end and the 2 pt conversion fails
I hope our remaining games are on grass, turf favors a team like Oregon
SMU deserves a spot but would any of us pick them head to head against Alabama?
Have to stop thinking like that - wins need to matter. Bama takes care of business when they need to there is no discussion.
I would give spot to SMU. But Bama = ratings so this could be interesting!
Bad pass to Warren in 3rd that would have been a TD (Warren almost had it!) eventually led to a missed FG - despite all the penalties and bad calls. we could have won this game.
Slightly, yes; and the WR room is the tipping point. We got Oregon's A game. What we saw is who they have been all year. Oregon got a C+ game from Penn State and we also were playing against biased refs, in a big, meaningful game, as usual. 2 picks, a defense that uncharacterisically never adjusted to what Oregon was doing, and refs calling/not calling penalties that greatly benefitted Oregon - and the game was still there for Penn State to win.
I agree. We have a very talented team. This team can compete with anyone in the country. But I just believe we don't possess a high level of discipline which ends up costing us with personal fouls, missed assignments, offsides and other mental mistakes.
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