This is not an encouraging take from Beamer on Nyck's development at WR
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Not so fast my friend. His lack of development was HIS choice.
It's up to the respective player's "want to" factor, particularly if that player is splitting time between two sports, one of which all but eliminates spring workouts and conditioning. Throwing Carolina under the bus for Harbor's decisions so far is a low blow.
Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean we were doing it to him. I just meant it's a very Gamecock thing for a 5* recruit to be a developmental player.
To the latter, we are at least complicit. We agreed to let him focus solely on track and completely ignore football for nearly 6 months. Yes, I know that was probably a key condition to getting him to come here, but we agreed to it nonetheless.
And, the fact that us agreeing to let him focus on track and skip football practice for 6 months was a key factor in getting him to come here probably means most other programs (or none at all) were willing to agree to that, which tells you that nobody else thought it was a good idea to skip out on football preparation for 6 months.
EDGE isn't his natural position. He only played football for like 2 years in HS. He was ranked so high because of his excellent athleticism and potential. If you watch his HS tape he has less developed skills at Edge than WR. He just needs time to develop his route running.
He wasn't a 5 star DE. He was always a 5 star ATH. Did you actually watch his tape or did you just read that he played EDGE in HS with some WR and assumed he must have been a 5 star Edge that wanted to try his hand at WR? The only plays he made in HS from the EDGE he was almost always unblocked or he was blocked so poorly he could just run by guys. He never showed any pass rush moves and he isn't strong enough to play in the run game. I would much rather let him develop at WR were he could become a game breaker vs a situational pass rusher with no pass rush ability.
I was going off his 247 recruiting profile that listed him as a 5 star "edge".
But I did see him listed as an athlete in other spots.
Glad to hear he's got no potential at DE, since he's entering year 2 here and working as a WR that is still learning to catch a ball.
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That was a quote from the special teams coach. He was talking about catching kicks and punts not catching passes. Did you watch the video? Also it's not like he was left off the depth chart he is the number 2 X receiver. We got a guy in Jared Brown who is a very polished WR so we don't have to force Harbor into being a decoy or only running go routes. He can now develop his route running behind a very polished guy and actually develop all the skills to be a top WR instead of just being a deep ball guy that can only do one thing.
The OP is a quote from the head coach. And lists catching the ball separate from helping out on special teams.
And again, the point being brought up is that most teams seem to get production out of 5 stars, but here we are in year two, with him backing up someone and still learning to catch the ball.
It's very unfortunate, and not what a lot of people envisioned when he signed.
"It's really important to him to develop as a receiver. And frankly he's got a lot to develop at," Coach Beamer said. "He didn't really play it in high school. Playing wide receiver at the SEC level is different. Getting off press coverage, how to run routes, perimeter blocking, catching the ball, run after the catch, doing stuff on special teams for us, so everything to be honest with you."
That's my fault on the OP I was the quote from DeCamillis that someone posted and thought you were referencing that. I wouldn't say most teams get production right away from all 5 stars. It seems that way at Georgia & Alabama but that's because they have so many 5 star guys that if one or two produce right away ppl won't look at the other 4 or 5 that still need to develop. I get thinking since he was 5 stars that means he must be ready for college but some guys are 5 stars because the recruiting sites think one day with development they can be the best in the country. They look at the physical tools that are better than anyone and label them 5 stars. I think Harbor will still live up to the 5 star billing if he is given time but if we try to move him to EDGE and start him over he will never contribute.
Don't disagree.
Someone else posted it, and I've heard it before, something along the lines of 3 stars being able to be developed into contributors.
4 stars, I forget, something about them potentially being stars, and 5 stars are supposedly ready to contribute right away.
It's certainly not written in stone. And you're right that not all 5 stars contribute right away.
It is simply frustrating to get your hands on a 5 star athlete that is still second string and working on fundamentals in year two.
I also understand that he's a weird situation.
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If he gained 30 pounds and played D end he would already be a first team all American but he can’t get that track out of his system!
18 is just doing his shtick…..bashing a player, coach and school at every turn. You don’t have a damn clue whether harbor is going to be good or bad. He’s played receiver all of wait for it…..one year. How many balls did he drop last year?
I love the he’s a bust people. Classic clowns. We will know if he’s a bust in about three years and not a minute sooner.
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To be fair, the comments in the OP were from Beamer. Unless Beamer is in on the "shtick" with 18...
The passive aggressive negative on all things SC is his shtick. And isn’t it absolutely amazing that a kid that played football a couple of years and was a defensive end needs to work on catching at the receiver position in major college football? Or is it just me, that wonders why “the you can either catch or you can’t” crowd doesn’t say anything when we hear of great receivers staying after practice even in the NFL to catch hundreds of balls. Great receiving equals great practice but hey, we can call him a bust if that makes you happy.
The “if it makes you happy” was a generalized at the op and anyone agreeing NH is a bust. Not directed at you in particular
That’s not necessarily true. He checked USC out thiroughly and he liked both our track and football programs. He will be good. But I think he is getting held back by Loggains play calling and Sellers not quite ready to be an elite qb. I really can’t put it on how he was recruited etc that was the only way to get him here which was smart I just think we need an OC that understands the nuances of the game and we don’t have that here!
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