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BobPSU92

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Because they are afraid of the blowback that it would cause with the old school folks that want no changes for sentimental reasons?

Since when does PSU care about the old-school folks? JoePa who?
 
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PSUJD

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Actually, they don't (not to that degree, and not for that reason), but that won't stop the hysteria train. Because? "Playoffs"
I take it you’re also of the opinion that NIL sucks and that the players should just do it for the love of the game?
 

kgilbert78

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I take it you’re also of the opinion that NIL sucks and that the players should just do it for the love of the game?
At least the pros finish the season.

While I really that ship has sailed, I'm also wondering why folks are still willing to pay more for a CFB ticket than an NFL ticket. It's like paying more for a Iron Pigs ticket than a Phillies (or Indy Indians vs the Pirates). If it's pro--it's pro.
 

PSUriseANDfire

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Well, that's illuminating. I go back to an earlier comment I made in re Beaver Stadium. How much background material have you seen? What are they presenting? I'd be reluctant to approve $70mm for Phase I without seeing the entire ball of wax, how much it will cost, how it will be financed, timeline for completion, etc. Who is going to oversee this project? To the best of my knowledge PSU doesn't have anyone currently on staff who has dealt with a project of this magnitude.

Your vote would also lose.
 

PSUriseANDfire

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Don't care. But you're right. I think they've decided what they're going to build without any consideration of the financial ramifications. Brought to you by the same folks responsible for the annual nine-figure deficits.
Who is losing because of this #? Spare parts. What pays and has created a monster University? Not professors. Coaches.

The money is wasted on a lot of things but it's not our most valuable resource in every direction. Rod spent money on nice structures that will be gone in 10 years.
 

SleepyLion

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I know I'm going to get roased for this but it's time for the discussion. It's not college football anymore.

"Las Vegas Raiders, Allegiant, $25 million per year, 2020-49
Dallas Cowboys, AT&T, $19 million per year, 2013, term unknown
New York Jets/Giants, MetLife, $16 million per year, 2011-36
Los Angeles Rams/Chargers, SoFi, $15 million per year, 2020-39
Miami Dolphins, Hard Rock $13.9 million per year, 2016-34
Atlanta Falcons, Mercedes-Benz, $12 million per year, 2015-42
San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s, $11 million per year, 2013-33
Seattle Seahawks, Lumen, $10.8 million per year, 2019-33
Pittsburgh Steelers, Acrisure, $10 million per year, 2022-36
Houston Texans, NRG Energy, $9.4 million, 2000-32
Minnesota Vikings, US Bank, $8.8 million per year, 2015-40
New England Patriots, Gillette, $8 million per year, 2017-31
Arizona Cardinals, University of Phoenix, $7.7 million per year, 2006-26
Washington Commanders, FedEx, $7.6 million per year, 1998-2025
Carolina Panthers, Bank of America, $7 million per year, 2004-24
New Orleans Saints, Caeser Entertainment, $6.9 million per year, 2021-40
Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial, $6.6 million per year, 2002-22; $12.1 million per year 2023-32
Indianapolis Colts, Lucas Oil, $6.1 million per year, 2006-28
Baltimore Ravens, M&T Bank $6 million per year, 2014-27
Cleveland Browns, FirstEnergy, $6 million per year, 2013-30
Buffalo Bills, Highmark, $5 million per year, 2021-30
Denver Broncos, Empower, $5 million per year, 2019-39
Tennessee Titans, Nissan, $5 million per year, 2015-34
Jacksonville Jaguars, EverBank Field, $4.3 million per year, 2014-24
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Raymond James Financial, $3.2 million per year, 2016-27
Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz, $2.85 million per year, 2001-21
Detroit Lions, Ford, $2 million per year, 2002-26
Kansas City Chiefs, GEHA, not reported
Cincinnati Bengals, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears: none"


This guy wants the name to stay as ot is.
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PSUJD

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At least the pros finish the season.

While I really that ship has sailed, I'm also wondering why folks are still willing to pay more for a CFB ticket than an NFL ticket. It's like paying more for a Iron Pigs ticket than a Phillies (or Indy Indians vs the Pirates). If it's pro--it's pro.
Hey I’m with you on sitting out the postseason. I hate it and we have a lot more examples of players getting catastrophic injuries at the Combine/Pro Day than bowls but oh well.

And who is paying more for college tickets than NFL tickets? The price of PSU tickets are a pittance next to the Eagles and Steelers. A buddy of mine has 4 season tickets for PSU and 4 season tickets for the Eagles and he pays nearly as much JUST IN FEES for the Eagles tickets as he does for the entire cost of PSU tickets
 

kgilbert78

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Hey I’m with you on sitting out the postseason. I hate it and we have a lot more examples of players getting catastrophic injuries at the Combine/Pro Day than bowls but oh well.

And who is paying more for college tickets than NFL tickets? The price of PSU tickets are a pittance next to the Eagles and Steelers. A buddy of mine has 4 season tickets for PSU and 4 season tickets for the Eagles and he pays nearly as much JUST IN FEES for the Eagles tickets as he does for the entire cost of PSU tickets
Here in Columbus, the big games are $200. Face. Mind you, I've not been to a pro football game in years.
 
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91Joe95

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Who is losing because of this #? Spare parts. What pays and has created a monster University? Not professors. Coaches.

The money is wasted on a lot of things but it's not our most valuable resource in every direction. Rod spent money on nice structures that will be gone in 10 years.

So the solution to wasteful spending is more wasteful spending? Makes sense.
 

Tgar

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I take it you’re also of the opinion that NIL sucks and that the players should just do it for the love of the game?
No, the players should be paid with a portion of the TV revenue and gate revenue like pro players. What did P T Barnum say about suckers? Once the players figured out they can get paid and the athletic departments and universities realized there are enough fans to carry their water, NIL became what it is. Sucks and suckers. Amazing.
 
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LB99

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Free education. Hit the books, get your degree, then earn your way in the world, sports or otherwise, with a degree in hand. Books first, money later.
I don’t disagree, but that horse has been out of the barn for quite some time now. The real kicker for me was when we received a letter from our school district earlier this year explaining what was acceptable and non acceptable forms of NIL after PA passed the approval of NIL for high school athletes. Now, that is nuts.
 

Nitt1300

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No, the players should be paid with a portion of the TV revenue and gate revenue like pro players. What did P T Barnum say about suckers? Once the players figured out they can get paid and the athletic departments and universities realized they’re enough fans to carry the water, NIL became what it is. Sucks and suckers. Amazing.
bread and circuses
 

OuiRPSU

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It's not only alumni-elected trustees. All members of the Board have fiduciary responsibility. I'm assuming that they all get the same material at the same time, with sufficient time for review. If not, something is dreadfully wrong.
 

JohnJumba

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Will they discuss properly honoring Joe, putting the statue back, and going after the Big 10 for the stolen bowl funds?
 

Bwifan

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Today is the day, Barry. Go get us a win.
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PSUJam

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A "win" is a solid financial justification for whatever proposal is approved.
I agree with that, but I don't think that kick it down the road is the answer. That's what got it to where it is currently. I just moved my daughter out of Pollock yesterday and can tell you that the bathrooms are 1960 style prison vintage. Same with the stadium.
 
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BobPSU92

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A "win" is a solid financial justification for whatever proposal is approved.

Trustee: What is the justification to spend $700 MM on football stadium renovations given…?

Short: Football.

Schuyler: The proposal passes. Next.
 

GrimReaper

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I agree with that, but I don't think that kick it down the road is the answer. That's what got it to where it is currently. I just moved my daughter out of Pollock yesterday and can tell you that the bathrooms are 1960 style prison vintage. Same with the stadium.
And despite appearances, PSU has no major problems with enrollment or selling football tickets. Stepping back from that, a financial case maybe made that certain levels of renovation may save ongoing maintenance costs. Foreseeable imminent structural or mechanical failure is also a justification. making something pretty ain't, particularly when PSU is running persistent nine figure deficits and there are no apparent signs of that abating.
 

PSUJam

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And despite appearances, PSU has no major problems with enrollment or selling football tickets. Stepping back from that, a financial case maybe made that certain levels of renovation may save ongoing maintenance costs. Foreseeable imminent structural or mechanical failure is also a justification. making something pretty ain't, particularly when PSU is running persistent nine figure deficits and there are no apparent signs of that abating.
I'm not smart when it comes to this. Are football tickets and enrollment major factors in bond rating?


Penn State


ADMINISTRATION
Penn State's credit remains strong, say latest ratings from Moody's, S&P
Close up of Pollock Gates
The Pollock Gates were a gift from the Class of 1903. Credit: Curtis Chan / Penn State. Creative Commons

MAY 16, 2022





UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — Penn State remains on strong fiscal footing despite the financial challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic, according to recent reports from Moody’s Investors Service and S&P Global Ratings.

Both firms have given Penn State’s credit rating a stable outlook, with Moody’s maintaining the University’s Aa1 stable rating in an April 28 analysis and S&P again assigning the University its AA long-term rating with a stable outlook on April 25. The ratings, which are the second-highest offered by each firm and on par with many peer research universities, reflect Penn State’s good financial standing and creditworthiness.

“These ratings are indicative of Penn State’s commitment to sound fiscal management and speak to the power of the University’s brand and performance,” said Sara Thorndike, Penn State senior vice president for Finance and Business/treasurer. “We are pleased that both Moody’s and S&P have recognized our work to responsibly manage the University’s resources, which has Penn State positioned for continued success.”

In its report, Moody’s said Penn State’s Aa1 stable rating “reflects its excellent brand and strategic positioning as a flagship land-grant university,” adding that the University’s “strong educational and clinical reputation will continue to support favorable demand and mitigate demographic and competitive challenges.”

In addition to its strong brand and strategic positioning, Moody’s indicated that Penn State’s credit strengths include its substantial scale and liquidity, providing for extensive financial flexibility and the capacity to manage through business disruption; consistently favorable operating performance, providing strong resources for reinvestment and reflecting excellent financial policy and strategy; and excellent revenue diversity and predictability, partly derived from the strength of the University’s operating environment and philanthropy.

Similarly, S&P’s report highlighted Penn State’s strong enterprise and financial profiles, counting the University’s relatively stable long-term enrollment trends, broad programmatic offerings, role as the state’s flagship public university, large research base, successful fundraising, positive financial operating margins, and historically good revenue diversity among the factors contributing to its AA long-term rating.

S&P also lauded the University for its financial management during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We believe Penn State’s healthy balance-sheet strength and liquid resources have helped it offset some of the pressure that arose because of the pandemic,” the ratings agency reported.

Moody’s and S&P did note several credit challenges for Penn State, with both firms pointing to unfavorable demographics for graduating high school seniors in Pennsylvania and heightened competition as potentially creating enrollment pressures for the University and straining net tuition revenue growth — a problem shared across the commonwealth’s higher education landscape. Moody’s also listed the University’s exposure to the health care sector in a competitive regional market, and S&P cited ongoing senior leadership transitions and searches, limited growth in state funding for higher education, and a constrained revenue environment for federal research support, as additional credit challenges.

The S&P report goes on to say that the University’s stable outlook “reflects our view that Penn State’s enrollment trend should improve slightly, financial operating margins remain positive, expendable resources remain quite healthy, and any additional debt issuance will be accompanied by a commensurate increase in expendable resources,” while Moody’s added that Penn State’s “outsized scale and excellent revenue diversity support the long-term durability of the operating model by providing significant operational flexibility.”

 

GrimReaper

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I'm not smart when it comes to this. Are football tickets and enrollment major factors in bond rating?


Penn State


ADMINISTRATION
Penn State's credit remains strong, say latest ratings from Moody's, S&P
Close up of Pollock Gates
The Pollock Gates were a gift from the Class of 1903. Credit: Curtis Chan / Penn State. Creative Commons

MAY 16, 2022





UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — Penn State remains on strong fiscal footing despite the financial challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic, according to recent reports from Moody’s Investors Service and S&P Global Ratings.

Both firms have given Penn State’s credit rating a stable outlook, with Moody’s maintaining the University’s Aa1 stable rating in an April 28 analysis and S&P again assigning the University its AA long-term rating with a stable outlook on April 25. The ratings, which are the second-highest offered by each firm and on par with many peer research universities, reflect Penn State’s good financial standing and creditworthiness.

“These ratings are indicative of Penn State’s commitment to sound fiscal management and speak to the power of the University’s brand and performance,” said Sara Thorndike, Penn State senior vice president for Finance and Business/treasurer. “We are pleased that both Moody’s and S&P have recognized our work to responsibly manage the University’s resources, which has Penn State positioned for continued success.”

In its report, Moody’s said Penn State’s Aa1 stable rating “reflects its excellent brand and strategic positioning as a flagship land-grant university,” adding that the University’s “strong educational and clinical reputation will continue to support favorable demand and mitigate demographic and competitive challenges.”

In addition to its strong brand and strategic positioning, Moody’s indicated that Penn State’s credit strengths include its substantial scale and liquidity, providing for extensive financial flexibility and the capacity to manage through business disruption; consistently favorable operating performance, providing strong resources for reinvestment and reflecting excellent financial policy and strategy; and excellent revenue diversity and predictability, partly derived from the strength of the University’s operating environment and philanthropy.

Similarly, S&P’s report highlighted Penn State’s strong enterprise and financial profiles, counting the University’s relatively stable long-term enrollment trends, broad programmatic offerings, role as the state’s flagship public university, large research base, successful fundraising, positive financial operating margins, and historically good revenue diversity among the factors contributing to its AA long-term rating.

S&P also lauded the University for its financial management during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We believe Penn State’s healthy balance-sheet strength and liquid resources have helped it offset some of the pressure that arose because of the pandemic,” the ratings agency reported.

Moody’s and S&P did note several credit challenges for Penn State, with both firms pointing to unfavorable demographics for graduating high school seniors in Pennsylvania and heightened competition as potentially creating enrollment pressures for the University and straining net tuition revenue growth — a problem shared across the commonwealth’s higher education landscape. Moody’s also listed the University’s exposure to the health care sector in a competitive regional market, and S&P cited ongoing senior leadership transitions and searches, limited growth in state funding for higher education, and a constrained revenue environment for federal research support, as additional credit challenges.

The S&P report goes on to say that the University’s stable outlook “reflects our view that Penn State’s enrollment trend should improve slightly, financial operating margins remain positive, expendable resources remain quite healthy, and any additional debt issuance will be accompanied by a commensurate increase in expendable resources,” while Moody’s added that Penn State’s “outsized scale and excellent revenue diversity support the long-term durability of the operating model by providing significant operational flexibility.”

Enrollment certainly is. Not sure how the rating agencies treat athletics.

Surprised that the rating agencies haven't done an update for PSU. They usually do around this time of year. They downgraded PSU Health earlier this year. If and when PSU issues $700mm of bonds for the stadium, the rating will almost certainly be updated.
 
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BobPSU92

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Enrollment certainly is. Not sure how the rating agencies treat athletics.

Surprised that the rating agencies haven't done an update for PSU. They usually do around this time of year. They downgraded PSU Health earlier this year. If and when PSU issues $700mm of bonds for the stadium, the rating will almost certainly be updated.

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