Those of you blaming this transfer epidemic on a kid's parents...
- Thread starter DowntownDawg
- Start date
It's my understanding that Ervin had agreed to not transfer within the SEC as a condition of getting his release. He then "changed his mind" after getting his release. Heard that from more than 1 person.
Also, what the hell is up with all your "buying players" crap? I mean, really. You might as well start putting $'s in place of your S's. Frickin moron.
Also, what the hell is up with all your "buying players" crap? I mean, really. You might as well start putting $'s in place of your S's. Frickin moron.
...in the SEC. And I think most SEC fans (not just Bama and Ole Miss) will tell you that.
I could care less about that reputation, though. What I do care about is that we can't seem to handle our ****.
I could care less about that reputation, though. What I do care about is that we can't seem to handle our ****.
...time and time again. And I'm not going to post any of it, because I have absolutely zero interest in starting a wildfire or bringing serious bad light to the basketball program. Before you call me a moron, remember I am as big of a Stansbury fan as you. But let's call a spade a spade. I'm not pissed that he does it. I'm pissed that we can't seem to handle it. Hell, everybody does it, but other coaches are able to handle it.
i agree that it is irrelevant what they think as long as we are beating them and as long as we continue to recruit without any violations (or at least no violations found out i guess).
i realize there can be multiple things going on to influence these guys to leave, but as posted above the common denominator is stansbury. i have no idea what he is doing to let it be so bad that a starter on an NCAA second round team would want to leave. if playing time was an issue then i find this all laughable. hans was an extremely streaky player. how could he not understand why he didn't get to play 30+ minutes of the game? don't get me wrong, I was glad to have him on the team and think he will be missed, but the guy has got to know that he wasn't our all around best player.
i realize there can be multiple things going on to influence these guys to leave, but as posted above the common denominator is stansbury. i have no idea what he is doing to let it be so bad that a starter on an NCAA second round team would want to leave. if playing time was an issue then i find this all laughable. hans was an extremely streaky player. how could he not understand why he didn't get to play 30+ minutes of the game? don't get me wrong, I was glad to have him on the team and think he will be missed, but the guy has got to know that he wasn't our all around best player.
You say Stans is buying players over and over and over.
Then say "I've heard stuff ... but I'm not going to post it"
<17> you
We went through a major anal probe 4 years ago and they couldn't find 1 thing. You think we're buying players, but we just started since then. The only people calling MSU a "dirty" program are some internet dubmasse just like yourself. If there was any thing out there you don't think Gottfried, Brady or Khayat wouldn't be all up in Stans' business. You are one dumb <17>
Then say "I've heard stuff ... but I'm not going to post it"
<17> you
We went through a major anal probe 4 years ago and they couldn't find 1 thing. You think we're buying players, but we just started since then. The only people calling MSU a "dirty" program are some internet dubmasse just like yourself. If there was any thing out there you don't think Gottfried, Brady or Khayat wouldn't be all up in Stans' business. You are one dumb <17>
earlier this decade and found nothing wrong with Stansbury's program. Then somebody *cough*Gottfried*cough* called the NCAA in on Mario Austin right before the 2002-2003 season and they found no reason why he couldn't play. Gottfried called foul when we signed Sharpe, nothing came of it. People have long said Stansbury is a cheater. The accusations fly everytime we beat someone out for a player they wanted badly. In all these years there has been absolutely nothing turned up that even suggests Stansbury buys players. I don't buy that line for a minute and neither should any MSU fan.
As far as Ervin having Stansbury by the cojones, I don't buy that either. If you'll remember there was a large outcry as Stans was denying him the SEC waiver from various forms of media. I don't know if Ervin promised he wouldn't transfer in conference or perhaps someone over Rick's head told him to grant the transfer, but I seriously doubt it was because he bought Ervin.
As far as him catering to Jamont, two things. First, he has gotten on Jamont. He also has cut him some slack since he was by far our best player the past 3 years and basically carried our team for his first year, year and a half in college. Still, he has benched him before. Secondly, if we don't center our offense around our best players, what else are we supposed to do? Jamont did give it up to Hans at the end of the SC game and he missed, but luckily got fouled. Jamont also made that shot against UK last year and nearly brought us back against Memphis. I wouldn't say Hans is head and shoulders above Jamont. Hans is a streaky shooter, Jamont is an occasional threat. Both get notoriously cold. However, at the end of a game I would rather Jamont take the shot than anyone on the team unless we have time to run a play and they leave someone wide open, such as the SC game.
As far as Ervin having Stansbury by the cojones, I don't buy that either. If you'll remember there was a large outcry as Stans was denying him the SEC waiver from various forms of media. I don't know if Ervin promised he wouldn't transfer in conference or perhaps someone over Rick's head told him to grant the transfer, but I seriously doubt it was because he bought Ervin.
As far as him catering to Jamont, two things. First, he has gotten on Jamont. He also has cut him some slack since he was by far our best player the past 3 years and basically carried our team for his first year, year and a half in college. Still, he has benched him before. Secondly, if we don't center our offense around our best players, what else are we supposed to do? Jamont did give it up to Hans at the end of the SC game and he missed, but luckily got fouled. Jamont also made that shot against UK last year and nearly brought us back against Memphis. I wouldn't say Hans is head and shoulders above Jamont. Hans is a streaky shooter, Jamont is an occasional threat. Both get notoriously cold. However, at the end of a game I would rather Jamont take the shot than anyone on the team unless we have time to run a play and they leave someone wide open, such as the SC game.
New to the blog here...
BUT I would like to say that I watched whenever I could this season and Gordon made a lot of bone head decisions at the point. How can our PG be such a prolific turnover machine? When I saw his interview after a late season game, I understood how...
BUT I would like to say that I watched whenever I could this season and Gordon made a lot of bone head decisions at the point. How can our PG be such a prolific turnover machine? When I saw his interview after a late season game, I understood how...
in hoops. It's no real secret we and Bama cheat pretty routinely. It's one of the biggest reasons Stans & Gottfried hate each other so much. Mario, Mo Money, et. al ringing any bells? I've been blasted on this board in the past for saying this, but it's the damn truth. And the way I was told it, we and Bama hold our respective breaths every time we tie into over a recruit, because eventually one of us is going to blow the whistle, triggering a nuclear exchange, so to speak. Both programs would have some serious questions to answer. Bottom line is, as Downtown has figured, we're starting to reap the whirlwind of our recruiting methods.
As I recall, Stans wanted to deny Ervin a transfer to another SEC school but the compliance officer wanted to let him tranfer. Templeton sided with the compliance officer and gave Ervin the waiver. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
DowntownDawg said:
For as long as I can remember, and that is a lot of years, Mississippi State has been known as one of the 2-3 toughest places to recruit athletes in the country. Part of the reason was the lack of a major metropolitan area anywhere nearby; the reputation for remoteness and Starkville's enduring reputation as being both non-supportive and a dead place for college kids. Another is the chronic reputation of being a stepchild in the SEC, with second rate facilities, and always a few years behind the curve when compared to other programs in the SEC. I think the reason Rick Stansbury has never gotten any Coach of the Year votes is the perception in the league "how can he recruit the players he gets without cheating?" I think some of our own fans ask the same question, yet, when the NCAA turns the program inside out, nothing is ever found. I have been pretty close to the basketball program off and on at various times over the years, and I don't get the impression that Rick, Robert Kirby and others do anything more than work their butts off recruiting.
</p>
we won the west with Jamont 2 years in a row. hmmm...must have been a bad decision. Say what you want, but Jamont is a unique talent. Neither Ben Hansbrough, Richard or Reggie Delk are unique in any way. The offense should have gone through Jamont so it did. The other guys can 17 off if they don't want to get on board with that. We won. That should be good enough. Stansbury was responsible for that by the way.
1). Just because they didn't find anything doesn't mean it's not happening. There are ways of covering it up, and if you're smart and not sloppy, it can't be proven. They didn't have much on Sherrill, but they did have an agenda, so they busted him even though they could prove very little. Again, I'm not saying we are any worse than other programs out there. What I am saying is that, like most other programs we do it to some extent, yet unlike most other programs, we can't seem to handle what we do.
2). So you are telling me that various forms of media criticized Stansbury for not letting Ervin transfer to a division rival? I find that hard to believe, because I don't think anybody with any amount of reason would expect a coach to allow one of his players to leave his program and go to probably his third biggest rival. Nobody has given me a good reason why this happened. We didn't owe anything to him. And it's one thing to be nice to a kid, but it's quite another thing to let him go to a team that you constantly battle for the top of your division. You just don't do that. It's absolutely ridiculous. Why would anybody in our athletic department want that? What possible motive would the compliance officer have for wanting to let Ervin transfer to Arkansas? And no "just to be nice" doesn't qualify.
3). I've never seen Stansbury get in Jamont's face like he does some other players. I can count on one hand the number of times he has benched him for any length of time as a result of his play. I don't have enough appendages to count the number of times he should've been benched as a result of his stupid play. And in the SC game, if you'll remember, the possession before Hans got fouled Jamont took an ill advised, ugly shot, that basically should've sealed the deal on us. In fact, his play down the stretch of that game was absolutely atrocious. And if I have one shot at a three to tie, there is no way I want Jamont taking it over Ben or Randy. Ben shot 36% from three, Randy shot 33%, and Jamont shot 32%. Plus, Jamont was always covered like a wet blanket because everybody in the free world knew he was going to shoot it, so it was usually an NBA range three to boot. And it's not like he is particularly clutch either. Yet, in every close game situation, he got the ball. Every time in his 3 years here. Except against SC when he had already blown it once and got it down to Ben who saved our tournament asses.
2). So you are telling me that various forms of media criticized Stansbury for not letting Ervin transfer to a division rival? I find that hard to believe, because I don't think anybody with any amount of reason would expect a coach to allow one of his players to leave his program and go to probably his third biggest rival. Nobody has given me a good reason why this happened. We didn't owe anything to him. And it's one thing to be nice to a kid, but it's quite another thing to let him go to a team that you constantly battle for the top of your division. You just don't do that. It's absolutely ridiculous. Why would anybody in our athletic department want that? What possible motive would the compliance officer have for wanting to let Ervin transfer to Arkansas? And no "just to be nice" doesn't qualify.
3). I've never seen Stansbury get in Jamont's face like he does some other players. I can count on one hand the number of times he has benched him for any length of time as a result of his play. I don't have enough appendages to count the number of times he should've been benched as a result of his stupid play. And in the SC game, if you'll remember, the possession before Hans got fouled Jamont took an ill advised, ugly shot, that basically should've sealed the deal on us. In fact, his play down the stretch of that game was absolutely atrocious. And if I have one shot at a three to tie, there is no way I want Jamont taking it over Ben or Randy. Ben shot 36% from three, Randy shot 33%, and Jamont shot 32%. Plus, Jamont was always covered like a wet blanket because everybody in the free world knew he was going to shoot it, so it was usually an NBA range three to boot. And it's not like he is particularly clutch either. Yet, in every close game situation, he got the ball. Every time in his 3 years here. Except against SC when he had already blown it once and got it down to Ben who saved our tournament asses.
Ding... Ding...
Do you really think we got Osby for nothing?
Why do you think we lost Hopson? Tenn paid more...
FYI: I hope we never get caught, but this has been going on for years.
Our sister SEC school up North is not immune either.
When I was in Law school the whole rebel team drove new 300z's...
Do you really think we got Osby for nothing?
Why do you think we lost Hopson? Tenn paid more...
FYI: I hope we never get caught, but this has been going on for years.
Our sister SEC school up North is not immune either.
When I was in Law school the whole rebel team drove new 300z's...
Read the 10 people in this thread that have blown your Stans-Ervin theory to bits. You are DEAD EFFING WRONG about how the Ervin transfer went down. Just own it.
Are you JR in disguise? I have never read such stupidity with regards to Gordon. If you are truly a Stansbury supporter, you wouldn't be going off the deep end with this like you have been the past few days. Seriously, get a maxi-pad or something, watch a few eps of the X-Files and get your black helicopter fix that way.
Are you JR in disguise? I have never read such stupidity with regards to Gordon. If you are truly a Stansbury supporter, you wouldn't be going off the deep end with this like you have been the past few days. Seriously, get a maxi-pad or something, watch a few eps of the X-Files and get your black helicopter fix that way.
Well I don't know about these days..
But it is a fact that when I was in school 87-91, I first-hand saw MSU alumni give both football and basketball players cash after big games.
I saw them take the cash and then I watched them spend the cash on dinner and drinks....
Period.. End of Story.....
So you need to wake up and smell the daffodils..
But it is a fact that when I was in school 87-91, I first-hand saw MSU alumni give both football and basketball players cash after big games.
I saw them take the cash and then I watched them spend the cash on dinner and drinks....
Period.. End of Story.....
So you need to wake up and smell the daffodils..
Is everything peachy to you? Is this not a disturbing trend? I guess we are just so unlucky that we get kids with overzealous daddies. We are the only school in the nation that happens to get them. Woe is us. I'm sure the players love and respect Stansbury, and there is no disharmony on the team, if only their daddies would leave us alone.
And nobody has answered what motivation we had to let Ervin go to @*@#%#* Arkansas. Can you answer it?
And nobody has answered what motivation we had to let Ervin go to @*@#%#* Arkansas. Can you answer it?
it's freaking fact. Stansbury and Ervin had agreed at first that he wouldn't transfer within the league. Ervin changed his mind and petitioned the compliance people. And our idiotic athletic department gave him his wish, against Stansbury's wishes. Does it really surprise you that our athletic department would do something stupid? Find some new sources.
You are making up crap about Stansbury to fit your theory on why players are transferring and it is really pathetic. You are combining the best of JR and Peaches. Enough of the cheating crap and the other horseshit you are spouting.
I have repeatedly said that the trend is disturbing, but I have also not come up with my own black helicopter theories and made up **** to support it. It is what it is. Is it Stansbury's fault? Partially, I'm sure. But there is mountains of evidence to suggest that part of the blame should be put on these players as well, and you don't seem to grasp that.
You are making up crap about Stansbury to fit your theory on why players are transferring and it is really pathetic. You are combining the best of JR and Peaches. Enough of the cheating crap and the other horseshit you are spouting.
I have repeatedly said that the trend is disturbing, but I have also not come up with my own black helicopter theories and made up **** to support it. It is what it is. Is it Stansbury's fault? Partially, I'm sure. But there is mountains of evidence to suggest that part of the blame should be put on these players as well, and you don't seem to grasp that.
but some guy on a message board knows all and won't tell. This kind of stuff cracks me up.
I'm not saying that the program is completely clean, but it is nothing different from the norm and I doubt anyone on here really knows how the majority of it works.
I'm not saying that the program is completely clean, but it is nothing different from the norm and I doubt anyone on here really knows how the majority of it works.
there is a huge difference between accusing alums of $100 handshakes and accusing the coaching staff of buying players. Surely you can grasp the difference in allegations there, right?
Downtown is accusing Rick himself of buying players. Again, the NCAA gave us a 3-year long anal probe of our athletic department and found nothing improper with the basketball program. They even cited an alum for buying a softball player a Wendy's hamburger or something similarly retarded. So if there had been anything going on with men's basketball, it likely would've been found.
Downtown is accusing Rick himself of buying players. Again, the NCAA gave us a 3-year long anal probe of our athletic department and found nothing improper with the basketball program. They even cited an alum for buying a softball player a Wendy's hamburger or something similarly retarded. So if there had been anything going on with men's basketball, it likely would've been found.
MEO..
You have no clue, I personally saw players receiving up $1000 in cash after big games.
Where do you think they get these new cars, from their parents?
Where do their parents get the money?
Hello..
Can you not connect the dots?
We have paid for players and probably still are, this happens all over the SEC.
Are you really this naive??
You have no clue, I personally saw players receiving up $1000 in cash after big games.
Where do you think they get these new cars, from their parents?
Where do their parents get the money?
Hello..
Can you not connect the dots?
We have paid for players and probably still are, this happens all over the SEC.
Are you really this naive??
...cash, keys or whatever. I am saying that we have ways of getting players that is not legal and probably involves alumni and that Rick knows about. So you're saying that anybody that the NCAA clears is not guilty? I think Rick knows what he's doing, and how not to get caught, just like Gottfried does and Pearl as well.
Again, the issue is not whether or not we are guilty of it, it's that we are failing at sustaining a basketball program to its full potential for some reason, and it's pretty damn clear that the players don't respect Rick. And this is my theory as to why they don't.
Again, the issue is not whether or not we are guilty of it, it's that we are failing at sustaining a basketball program to its full potential for some reason, and it's pretty damn clear that the players don't respect Rick. And this is my theory as to why they don't.
...I have no reason to. Hell, Stansbury is still the best coach on staff down there. I like him. I want him to stay. I think he's decent at "floor coaching," which is what the idiots criticize him for. I'm just telling you that objective people have told me stuff about the way he recruits. People that would/should know. Like everybody else, I'm trying to figure out what the problem is, but I am through writing the players off as "bad apples" when it's starting to happen every year, especially now with players who seem to have character, hustle, play defense, aren't showy, and all that.
I mean if you write off Jackson, Sharpe, Houston, and Ervin as bad apples, that's fine. I was even persuaded to buy the Bulldog Backer theory on the Delks. But when you lose Ben, it becomes clear that we've got a %%+*!%# problem with this thing. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me seven times, shame on me. I'm not buying what they're selling anymore.
I mean if you write off Jackson, Sharpe, Houston, and Ervin as bad apples, that's fine. I was even persuaded to buy the Bulldog Backer theory on the Delks. But when you lose Ben, it becomes clear that we've got a %%+*!%# problem with this thing. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me seven times, shame on me. I'm not buying what they're selling anymore.
I personally saw players receiving up $1000 in cash after big games.
God, we have some of the dumbest fans on the planet.
God, we have some of the dumbest fans on the planet.
Yes.. in 1990 to a football player.
Small amounts would be given to players on the field after games.
But, if you had a really good game someone would come see you in your room
in the athletic dorm...
This happened back when I was in school, I have no idea what is going own now....
Small amounts would be given to players on the field after games.
But, if you had a really good game someone would come see you in your room
in the athletic dorm...
This happened back when I was in school, I have no idea what is going own now....
Here you go. Here is one example. It took me all of 3 minutes to Google "Toughest Athletics Recruiting."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_/ai_97174313
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_/ai_97174313
It all comes down to AAU coaches and arrangements made with those coaches.
Do you think it is a coincidence that we sign a High Profile recruit out of LA, and his AAU coach and HS coach has strong Ole Miss connections, hell no.
Ervin was a high profile recruit, and so was Gordon. Hell Gordon got kicked out of HS with a month to go in high school career, transferred to a basketball facility and had no problem qualifying.
If you don't think basketball recruiting is dirty, then I can't change your opinion. Hell, the lone decent recruit we signed during Rod's tenure at Ole Miss was Justin Reed, and we had to hire his HS coach and let him work at Richie's office part time.
When Ervin announced he was going to transfer, Stans said he wouldn't release him to an SEC school, Ervin then stated in the paper he would be speaking with the compliance office, (I remember this because Dawgstudent made a post saying he didn't like the sound of it) and all of a sudden he was given his release?
I guarantee you that if we sign the Holloway kid out of SC, that some AAU coach got a handshake agreement from AK to either run camps or some quid pro quo type of agreement. Just the way of the world in Basketball recruiting.
Do you think it is a coincidence that we sign a High Profile recruit out of LA, and his AAU coach and HS coach has strong Ole Miss connections, hell no.
Ervin was a high profile recruit, and so was Gordon. Hell Gordon got kicked out of HS with a month to go in high school career, transferred to a basketball facility and had no problem qualifying.
If you don't think basketball recruiting is dirty, then I can't change your opinion. Hell, the lone decent recruit we signed during Rod's tenure at Ole Miss was Justin Reed, and we had to hire his HS coach and let him work at Richie's office part time.
When Ervin announced he was going to transfer, Stans said he wouldn't release him to an SEC school, Ervin then stated in the paper he would be speaking with the compliance office, (I remember this because Dawgstudent made a post saying he didn't like the sound of it) and all of a sudden he was given his release?
I guarantee you that if we sign the Holloway kid out of SC, that some AAU coach got a handshake agreement from AK to either run camps or some quid pro quo type of agreement. Just the way of the world in Basketball recruiting.
You know how you get mad when fishwater and the like exaggerate to prove a point?Stormrider81 said:
An argument could easily be made that Rhodes and/or Varnado was our best player this year. One thing that's for sure is that no one was "by far" the best.
South Panola Dawg said:
So, it's public knowledge, but the NCAA just let's us go because they have a soft spot for the Bulldogs?</p>
are entirely different animals. Obviously, we're good at covering our tracks. But for whatever reason, it's backfiring and players aren't staying. I don't particularly have a problem with the cheating, but damn, get some program control and keep these guys after you get them here. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
Latest posts
-
Mississippi College sez No Mas to football…
- Latest: paindonthurt17
-
OT: Elvis tried to kill Obama- Latest: She Mate Me
Get unlimited access today.