Thoughts on Allar injury?
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Given the Bucks will have a week to prepare for Beau I would not bet on it. He will be under attack all game, especially if Donkoh is out.
Hopefully Drew is ready, but Beau proved what he can do against Wiscy. It'll be a different style of offense than what we'd have seen with Drew, but certainly one that can work against the Buckeyes. Frankly, it may actually be a style that'll work better. I'd like to have Drew, and call me crazy, but I'm more concerned with Dennis-Sutton being a go. This game will come down to the D and getting pressure up front IMO.
I've seen Allar as a mid to late second round pick and the 10th QB taken in the draft. But you can't teach his size so we'll see.
I suspect Allar's participation will be a medical staff decision IF there is a likelihood of further damage. Franklin will want to play him if there's not a risk of further damage even if he's only 75%. Look no further than Clifford starting against Illinois in 2021.
My prediction is that he won't practice until Wednesday and there will be no contact allowed. We'll have to wait and see about Saturday.
Absolutely! Wisconsin brought a lot of pressure and OSU has better defenders. The play calling would call for a lot of screens, rollouts, and quick release passes.
The good news is that fans wrote this game off before the season started. We got past USC & Wisconsin so there's a decent chance we can still finish 11-1, make the playoffs, and get a first round home game. I'd hate to put that in jeopardy by bringing Allar back too early. Washington & Minnesota won't be gimmes.
They don't touch the QB anyway. Contact at this point in the season is extremely limited even for position players. We used to call it "thud" back in the middle ages. This was a form of full speed scrimmage like conditions....but under no condition should anyone be brought to the ground.
Of course it will be a medical staff decision. I don't know of a high school that employs a trainer that wouldn't fire a coach who ignored the athletic trainers decision. It's not like when I coached or played. However, saying you can't "make it worse" and being able to function at a high level are two different things. I believe Allar was cleared to play the second half. He knew he couldn't.
This just brings into focus the folly of making ridiculous statements like "we should be 11-1 with this schedule." Suddenly, I see posters concerned with the development of a 3rd string QB. Earth to fan.....if Beau and Drew are both down....you don't need to worry about hosting playoffs. That's the nature of football.
Not with his size and arm. He's right out of central casting. My prediction would be that should he get a mid 2nd or late round evaluation, he would come back.
I dont disagree, my point was that I don't think if given the decision (i.e cleared by staff) he will sit. This has the chance to be the defining moment of his career. He strikes me as the kind of kid who won't sweat too much over the money aspect.
There can always be varying levels of evaluation but if they were concerned at all about further injury he would not have even tried to come out for 2nd half.
Another consideration here is that we get a 75%+ Allar and we see a lot more two QB packages...now is Kotelnicki's time to shine!
The defining moment of his career will come at another level. HIs parents, his advisors and even the PSU coaches aren't going to allow him to play unless he's 95% or better. This is big, big business. Generational money. If you've ever had a sprain or strain.....it is much worse the morning after.
We can all hope I guess.
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Leading PSU to a win over OSU would really help his draft position. Of course playing poorly because of injury would hurt.
I actually think Franklin will encourage Allar to enter the draft. Keeping him would consume a large part of the NIL budget during a rebuilding year. It might also convince Pribula to leave.
Agree but all of this was when PSU was trailing in an important game and the nature of the injury was unknown. I assume he'll get an MRI today and decisions will be based on those results.
Sometimes success in football comes down to luck (on the injury front). In 1984 I had 20 varsity players on the first day of practice. I immediately promoted 4 JV players and went to work. Not only did we not lose a player to injury the entire season, I don't recall a single player missing a practice due to being "banged up." We finished the season 10-0.
The following year we started with around 35 players. In my 13 years as a HC I never had so much talent and depth. In our very first game we lost our 220 pound fullback to a season ending knee injury and the flood gates opened. By mid season our practice sessions looked like a MASH unit.
Ice taped everywhere and guys on crutches. We finished 9-1 but had many narrow escapes and I doubt we could have won another game if they had playoffs in those days. The team was emotionally and physically exhausted.
Another observation from an old coach: There seems to be a correlation between losing and "injury." I swear I had at least 50% more injury complaints after a loss than after a win. Forget about the "medical opt outs" if you had a losing season. LOL
Their QB is 10 lbs of **** in a 5lb bag. They can't get out of their own way. Don't even think of last year's team when thinking about this one...they are apples and dog turds.
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Assuming the MRI shows no structural damage....he would be the proverbial "game time decision."
That decision would be "Drew, do you think you can go?" If yes.....
Then.....the offensive staff deciding, given what they see, who they feel gives them the best chance to win.
On one hand, I like the narrative that our only loss happened because the starting QB was out. On the other hand, I am sooooo tired of loosing to these guys.
Drew Allar has already banked around $1.5M from NIL, and I would love to know where you think the $20-35M number you quote is coming from? That is Top half first round money. No one has him ranked that high.
Franklin has been consistent. He will always tell a player to leave if they have a solid evaluation and there is money to be made.
For every insult directed at him here and elsewhere, he has about a 90% approval rating from parents and ex players.
No coach has unanimous approval ratings. It's a nasty business and telling the truth doesn't appeal to everyone.
For every insult directed at him here and elsewhere, he has about a 90% approval rating from parents and ex players.
No coach has unanimous approval ratings. It's a nasty business and telling the truth doesn't appeal to everyone.
Franklin has been consistent. He will always tell a player to leave if they have a solid evaluation and there is money to be made.
For every insult directed at him here and elsewhere, he has about a 90% approval rating from parents and ex players.
No coach has unanimous approval ratings. It's a nasty business and telling the truth doesn't appeal to everyone.
No one wants PSU to win more than I do. As I've posted ad nauseum....if been a fan since 1966.....
Here's something to consider, from a coaches standpoint, you always have to understand there is a tomorrow. Must wins, are for fans.
Coaches try desperately to prepare in a similar fashion each week. I can tell you that dragging a team through a week of practice for a game they perceive to be a weak opponent is a big challenge. A week of practice against an Ohio State is a breeze.
But while every fan here will be crying in their beer for weeks or months if the team loses on Saturday.....The coaches will be back to work game planning and wet nursing the team for the next game.
For every insult directed at him here and elsewhere, he has about a 90% approval rating from parents and ex players.
No coach has unanimous approval ratings. It's a nasty business and telling the truth doesn't appeal to everyone.
10 million in the second round. Getting to the show is goal one for any 4 or 5 star....hell even 3 stars. In today's world PSU is just an necessary stepping stone. Also, getting the second contract in the NFL is the bonanza and you can't get that unless you are in the league.
No one wants PSU to win more than I do. As I've posted ad nauseum....if been a fan since 1966.....
Here's something to consider, from a coaches standpoint, you always have to understand there is a tomorrow. Must wins, are for fans.
Coaches try desperately to prepare in a similar fashion each week. I can tell you that dragging a team through a week of practice for a game they perceive to be a weak opponent is a big challenge. A week of practice against an Ohio State is a breeze.
But while every fan here will be crying in their beer for weeks or months if the team loses on Saturday.....The coaches will be back to work game planning and wet nursing the team for the next game.
I don't know about the money aspect but I agree Allar will want to play if possible. I think Franklin will want him to play too. He's taken a lot of heat for being 1-9 vs OSU and I don't think he's in the mood for 1-10.
given how JF handled Trace and Sean he clearly seems to favor a starter who is far less than 100% over a backup. look at the Rutgers game in 2021. Clifford was a major liability in his condition bur played. when he was not able to stay on the field JF subbed - and the backup saved that game.
we will not get the tOSU team that played Nebby. the rush will be way more intense than Wisky. QB needs to be mobile. watching replay Donkoh had shoulder brace on and was trying to block with one arm. he is probably out for a while. 72 good run blocker but not there on pass blocking.
What do the doctors say about the knee.
The evaluation depends on your goals: Play for a championship. Make the playoffs.
I would probably, let him sit if he's not 100% with the knee. Hopefully it's good in two weeks. And he can return to action. Can the team win out without him? Does the team make the playoffs without him? One loss and were in correct? A healthy Allar for the play offs is mandatory. I don't know all the ansers.
But, I would like to see this team compete for a Natty. We need to get in the playoffs And, we need Allar when we get there.
The evaluation depends on your goals: Play for a championship. Make the playoffs.
I would probably, let him sit if he's not 100% with the knee. Hopefully it's good in two weeks. And he can return to action. Can the team win out without him? Does the team make the playoffs without him? One loss and were in correct? A healthy Allar for the play offs is mandatory. I don't know all the ansers.
But, I would like to see this team compete for a Natty. We need to get in the playoffs And, we need Allar when we get there.
Who’s saying he’s mid second round?
In the most recent seven-round NFL Mock Draft from Pro Football Network NFL Draft Analyst Ian Cummings, Allar ended up as the fifth overall pick, pairing him with the Las Vegas Raiders.
In the most recent seven-round NFL Mock Draft from Pro Football Network NFL Draft Analyst Ian Cummings, Allar ended up as the fifth overall pick, pairing him with the Las Vegas Raiders.
if Drew is 100% he makes the difference. the 100% test means he can get yards running and also escape rush. if he has to play stationary is he better option than healthy #2 QB?
We're not playing Ohio University. tOSU will be prepared for whatever we do. It comes down to execution and poise.
Because Washington has gained more total yards than every one of their opponents. They've just found ways to lose (missed FGs, penalties, turnovers). If they get that cleaned up they could be dangerous.Why bdgan,
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Of course they haven't fixed those things in 8 weeks so why would they now? Even so I don't take the game for granted.
G-d forbid Beau was injured during next weeks game, is that true freshman talented enough to win a game?
Why do you believe that the MRI would wait until Monday (today) and not be done on Sunday? Inquiring minds want to know...
It’s better to wait until the swelling goes down a bit before imaging. It provides a more accurate picture of what is going on as less swelling and/or bleeding is present to potentially muddle up the picture.
I think it was Breneman that had video from on the field as players were leaving the field after the game. Drew walked off w/ no brace and not even limping.