To all you defenders of the quitters that cost us the Gator Bowl, READ!
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Shane needs 2 big signs of that, one in the locker room and one on the practice field.
I will say it does seem like the mid to late draft picks are the ones opting out the most. At the same time, they are probably the ones that have the most potential for a big jump and more $$ with a good combine.
Still, I hate it. And I hate how soft this world is getting. Not long ago this selfishness would’ve been a red flag for every NFL team. Now, it’s completely ignored.
Still, I hate it. And I hate how soft this world is getting. Not long ago this selfishness would’ve been a red flag for every NFL team. Now, it’s completely ignored.
Why have none of the pro-quitters posted in this thread?!
For good reason and as expected. There is nothing valid to say.
Excuses are for losers! Ya'll are full of them, starting with the OP.
Care to comment on Nick Saban's statement posted in the first post of this thread??
I'm trying not to be contemning of the quiters, but is proving difficult.
EXACTLY!!!! "I'm opting out because <insert selfish reason>" ...... you don't like looking into the obvious mirror do you? You have nothing to say then. The first part of your post is exactly right. Yet you don't like it when someone holds up the mirror and says to you "EXACTLY!!!" You just don't get it and never will.
I have no clue what your hypocritical self is trying to say in your chopped up sentences. Go take some more Xanax and try again.
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In other words, he's doing his job. Looking out for his team and wisely advising misguided players.
Although I believe in the team concept, I'll play the contrarian for the sake of discussion.
Stop killing yourself in a meaningless/optional bowl game for a boss who would replace you in 5 minutes if you suddenly had an injury.
Is Saban going to donate any of his $10 million a year if you weaken or tear your ACL and your future stock plummets?
Are you going to receive any bowl game revenue for participating?
Is any of that bowl and/or conference money going to insurance in case of injury?
Life is full of risks and it's up to YOU to risk manage. The odds of being injured in a college football game is not small. This is a risk/benefit analysis at the individual level.
Stop killing yourself in a meaningless/optional bowl game for a boss who would replace you in 5 minutes if you suddenly had an injury.
Is Saban going to donate any of his $10 million a year if you weaken or tear your ACL and your future stock plummets?
Are you going to receive any bowl game revenue for participating?
Is any of that bowl and/or conference money going to insurance in case of injury?
Life is full of risks and it's up to YOU to risk manage. The odds of being injured in a college football game is not small. This is a risk/benefit analysis at the individual level.
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Now apply all you said to the Tillman game & see if you change your stance, because, after all, that is only a non-conference exhibition game that has no bearing on anything else.
I don't know if this an actual quote by Saban or not, but it's true. If you want to talk about "meaningless" bowls, Bama was as let down as anyone after missing out on the SECCG and being left out of the CFP and having to play KSU. Yet, their players who are top NFL prospects showed up to play. Young may be the top player taken in the whole draft. Players with millions of dollars more at stake than any of our players who opted out. I believe Beamer will get us there eventually. You have to establish the culture. It's just a mentality that your players have to have and it trickles down from the top. And you have to player leadership.
This excerpt is from an article written about how Bama managed to avoid even one single opt-out:
"We all made a promise to each other that we would play and that we would go out and compete one last time with each other," linebacker Henry To'o To'o said following the Crimson Tide's 45-20 victory over Kansas State on Saturday at Caesars Superdome. "We just had a conversation about, you know, 'What are everyone's intentions? What do we want out of this season? What does the team mean to us?' I think the biggest thing it came down to was that as leaders, we can't preach something to the guys and not follow through with it."
Remember that, if nothing else, about an Alabama team that can't be remembered for a national championship, or even a Southeastern Conference title. Remember that − in an era of college football that has never been more about the individual, has never been less about team, and has never been more understanding of players opting out of bowl games − this team forged a resolve from the inside out and held it together. The result? Not a single opt-out teamwide. The leadership group set a tone of resolve with a collective decision, and, according to Battle, that made an impact on some pro-caliber talents who aren't in the leadership group.
How did Alabama football avoid Sugar Bowl opt-outs? A promise was made | Goodbread
Goodbread: How did Alabama football avoid Sugar Bowl opt-outs? A promise was made, and kept.
www.tuscaloosanews.com
Beamer will get us there, but it takes time to root out the loser mentality. It's so pervasive, our fans even celebrate it.
I don't know if this an actual quote by Saban or not, but it's true. If you want to talk about "meaningless" bowls, Bama was as let down as anyone after missing out on the SECCG and being left out of the CFP and having to play KSU. Yet, their players who are top NFL prospects showed up to play. Young may be the top player taken in the whole draft. Players with millions of dollars more at stake than any of our players who opted out. I believe Beamer will get us there eventually. You have to establish the culture. It's just a mentality that your players have to have and it trickles down from the top. And you have to player leadership.
This excerpt is from an article written about how Bama managed to avoid even one single opt-out:
"We all made a promise to each other that we would play and that we would go out and compete one last time with each other," linebacker Henry To'o To'o said following the Crimson Tide's 45-20 victory over Kansas State on Saturday at Caesars Superdome. "We just had a conversation about, you know, 'What are everyone's intentions? What do we want out of this season? What does the team mean to us?' I think the biggest thing it came down to was that as leaders, we can't preach something to the guys and not follow through with it."
Remember that, if nothing else, about an Alabama team that can't be remembered for a national championship, or even a Southeastern Conference title. Remember that − in an era of college football that has never been more about the individual, has never been less about team, and has never been more understanding of players opting out of bowl games − this team forged a resolve from the inside out and held it together. The result? Not a single opt-out teamwide. The leadership group set a tone of resolve with a collective decision, and, according to Battle, that made an impact on some pro-caliber talents who aren't in the leadership group.
How did Alabama football avoid Sugar Bowl opt-outs? A promise was made | Goodbread
Goodbread: How did Alabama football avoid Sugar Bowl opt-outs? A promise was made, and kept.www.tuscaloosanews.com
Beamer will get us there, but it takes time to root out the loser mentality. It's so pervasive, our fans even celebrate it.
It's admirable but not necessarily intelligent. At the end of any given season, guys are typically banged up and playing with injuries and other subcliincal issues which leave them even more volunterable to injury. Again, many of these coaches and schools make a boatload off these players. Why isn't insurance in place in case they get hurt in any particular game? Greed is the only plausible reason. Sanctimonious Saban logic is nothing more than rallying cries for his cause to line his pockets. The school scrawls him a big check while the team gets a mention on a WIKI page.
That's pretty weak to start the New Year, Rod. You offered nothing in rebuttal other than some obscure reference.
Call it what you will. There's a reason why top 10 picks are willing to play in major letdown bowl game for them and much lower draft picks were unwilling to play in a huge bowl game for us.
It's a mentality. We don't have it yet, but we'll get there. And you all will be sad to see us field a complete team for bowl games.
Classic. So we're now anti-fans if we infuse logic into the equation? Why do you believe schools haven't offered insurance coverage for these players putting their neck on the line?
I have yet to read/hear a logical argument for opting out.
Possibly injury for starters? Why do you believe schools haven't offered insurance coverage for these players putting their neck on the line?
Nobody ever forces a player to sign papers with a university & play football. Everyone knows the risks of playing athletics. Finish what you start is all I ask for those that represent my alma mater on the football field. Once the bowl is done, do what you will, but please, don't be a quitter & leave the team hanging for the bowl game.
You never will. Only folks defending the quitting are likely folks that have quit on teams at some point prior in their lives. Quitting is as bad of a word associated with a person as stealing is.
It's amazing that a bowl game is the only game of the entire season where injury is a concern. Explain how that is logical.
I'm talking about the entire year. There's plenty of money to go around. Ask Saban.
If injury is the primary concern, why not opt out in game 3 of the season or even the whole season for that matter, as injury is just as likely any time during your career? Waiting for the bowl game to opt out seems to be increasing risk unnecessarily and foolish.
Since college is not a requirement for the NFL, after graduating high school, athletes could just sit for 3 years in irrelevance (and injury free if not involved in a non-sports injury ) and hope/pray for an opportunity to play in the NFL when eligible.
The odd thing is, it would be absolutely unthinkable for a player to voluntarily sit out a mid-season, conference game because they were afraid of getting injured. Or even better yet, an early season game against an FCS opponent. That's as "meaningless" as you can get. No reason at all to risk injury playing against SC State, right? But, decide to skip out a big bowl game against a marquee opponent and fans be like "yeah, I get it."
It's all risk management at the individual level. A player has to build a portfolio so they have to assume risk to get there. Bowl games are currently optional and most scouts have made a decision about a player's talent prior to any bowl game.
It's the height of irrationality. PLAYING the game is what put players in position to be drafted into the NFL in the first place, but then they become afraid of PLAYING the game.
It's called risk management. If you feel like you've made your case, you might not be interested putting your body on the line to ensure your $10mil, fully-insured coach gets another extension...or that a fan gets talking points with his neighbor for a week.
Wrong. It's a mentality. If anyone in college football had made their case prior to bowl season, it's Bryce Young. Per your "logic" he had absolutely zero incentive to play in Bama's bowl game. There was absolutely nothing left for him to prove on the field in college football. It was a "meaningless" game for Bama.
Yet he was motivated to finish something he started. To go out with pride. To honor his commitment to his team and teammates.
That you don't get that says all that needs to be said.
Bowl are most certainly not optional. If you're a freshman, try sitting out the bowl game and see how that goes over. The depraved human mind just figured out a loophole to the system and realized there's no repercussions for quitting if you don't plan to be on the team the next season.
You need to just be a follower of the NFL & not concern yourself with college football.
That's admirable but not necessarily intelligent in terms of overall risk management. He bought into Saban's rhetoric and took the risk and it paid off. You don't always lose in Vegas.