Tommy Swinney
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I'm sure both our fan bases would be fine with just canceling our game this year. Whoever wins, what does it really prove? Who sucks worse.
It's embarrassing for us Cocks to try to smear Dabo, a guy that has owned us. It smells of jealousy. Tearing down a person to make you feel better is a character flaw!
That's a major assumption and character has nothing to do with wins and losses.
A winner can still be a clown while doing it.
That's just wrong, even though some people think that way. It's neo-thinking largely brought about by our not being conference rivals for all these years. In the 1960s and part of the 1970s, there were years when both teams were terrible. That game was nonetheless anticipated and meant something. The main thing is to win it. It's really all we have left to remember with fondness.
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He is 7-6 against us…not exactly owning, but carry on.
It's not really about proving anything. It may be a do or die game for us in terms of a bowl. If this team were to find a way to win out, including a bowl win, that would be a great momentum builder going into the spring. Not always about right now. I don't think "we suck" , but that's another thread.
I wasn't aware, besides the Spurrier ownership years, I thought the margin was more.
Spurrier owned him for five in a row of those six wins.
He was 2-5 against SOS. He went five years without a win against SOS. His teams then won seven straight but overall he is eight and six as their HC dating back to 2008 when he took over that season. So lately...yes. Overall...no. Beside, we don't have to smear him at all. The Clemson fans have already forgotten what he has done for their program and go about tearing him down daily.
(AWAY) 2022/11/26 South Carolina 31 - Clemson 30 W Beamer 1-1 Not Owned
(HOME) 2021/11/27 South Carolina 0 - Clemson 30 L Beamer
(HOME) 2019/11/30 South Carolina 3 - Clemson 38 L Must Chump 4-0 Owned
(AWAY) 2018/11/24 South Carolina 35 - Clemson 56 L Must Chump
(HOME) 2017/11/25 South Carolina 10 - Clemson 34 L Must Chump
(AWAY) 2016/11/26 South Carolina 7 - Clemson 56 L Must Chump
(HOME) 2015/11/28 South Carolina 32 - Clemson 37 L Elliott 1-0 Not enough of a sample sign head to head
(AWAY) 2014/11/29 South Carolina 17 - Clemson 35 L SOS 2-5 Not owned
(HOME) 2013/11/30 South Carolina 31 - Clemson 17 W SOS
(AWAY) 2012/11/24 South Carolina 27 - Clemson 17 W SOS
(HOME) 2011/11/26 South Carolina 34 - Clemson 13 W SOS
(AWAY) 2010/11/27 South Carolina 29 - Clemson 7 W SOS
(HOME) 2009/11/28 South Carolina 34 - Clemson 17 W SOS
(AWAY) 2008/11/29 South Carolina 14 - Clemson 31 L SOS
It really only shows how stupid fans are. Prior to Dabo's arrival, Clemson fans absolutely clamored to be a relevant top-tier team. They always felt they belonged there and hated being relegated to second-tier status. For all their trying, they never could break through. Then Dabo arrives and they go on a tear, becoming one of the elite teams in the game, even briefly nudging Bama of their perch and becoming the standard in the college game. Won 10 or more games for 12 years a row, nearly 80% over Dabo's whole tenure, 69-5 over a 5 year span. It's been a run the fans of almost every team in college football can dream of experiencing just once in their lives.
Yeah, yeah, he had generational QBs and great assistants. Find me a single coach in the history of any sport that had a run similar to Clemson's who didn't have great players and a great staff.
And now the fans are ready to burn it down over one bad year? Morons.
They haven’t forgotten any thing but college football has always been what have you done for me lately not what have you done for me. I don’t think it’s so much his losing as much as it is his arrogance to not adapt to the way college football is going. It’s seems he is willing to die on what he thinks is some moral high ground.
It’s not one bad year though. It’s 3-4 years of solid decline. This year is not a one off.
Maybe so. But so goes Life. It happens every day on Jobs/Careers, Our personal lives, unfortunately in Churches and other Social Settings.
I agree with you on the Jealousy Aspect. But it doesn't Embarrass me. But doing so isn't going to stop it from happening. Sin/Evil is in our nature.
Even your User Name, "Cobra," lends itself to a dark side. Jealousy is what Fuels Sports Rivalries.
What fun Would Sports be without Passionate Rivalries??
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After over 5 Decades of being a fan I would be willing to accept some embarrassment if we would win an SEC or National Championship
. I would even Accept another SEC East ChampionshipHeard on the radio this morning they're having locker room issues between players and coaches. Apparently some of the players don't care for accountability and are acting like entitled brats. Not good...for them. Great for us!
It is a stark reminder, sometimes it is better to "lose a player bc of NIL".....
It is a stark reminder, sometimes it is better to "lose a player bc of NIL".....
Eh, I dunno. They were 11-3 year, 8-0 in conference last year. In the not-to-distant past, Clemson fans would have given their firstborn for that kind of season. They were in the playoffs 3 years ago. I'd kill for that kind of decline. You can't land a generational QB in every single class. Besides, Clemson had 12 years in a row of 10 or more wins, but only had Watson and Lawrence for 6 of those seasons, so he hasn't only won with generational QBs.
As an overall fan of college football, I just hate that it's become "you have to contend for the CFP every year or it's a bust". It's simply not feasible to contend every single year without fail, unless you're arguably the greatest coach in the history of the game named Nick Saban.
Bobby Bowden nailed back in the 90s when he said "The only problem with winning a national title is that they expect you to do it every year."
You look at Tom Osborne, he went through a bit of a "down" period by their standards in the early 90s after they had been a mainstay in the top 10. In today's game, fans would have tweeted him out of a job. But he came back to finish with a phenomenal 5-year stretch in which they lost 3 games combined.
For a guy who has a proven track record of success, their ought to be a bit more of a grace period than a season or two.
Like I said in this thread or in another, I think what upsets Clemson fans the most is they see a head coach pulling his train in the opposite direction of college football, as it pertains to NiL and transfer portal. I believe they are not totally wrong in that. He will have to basically restructure the entire program to get the wheels on. Coaching changes and ideology changes as it pertains to “Clemson fit” and recruiting.
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I'm sure that is part of it. I'm with Swinney on this one though. If you can recruit well, I don't know why fans see it as absolutely essential to hit the portal for talent. If you're dependent on the portal, it means your recruiting sucks.
Because most high school players can not compete with 21/22 year olds that have been in a program. Rosters are going to be older, it won’t be 3 years of build to have a senior roster. Transfers can get you the same thing faster. Thats not to say high schoolers are useless. It’s a combination of the 2. The top 25 proves that.
Older rosters have always usually been the winners year to year more often than not. Some like Alabama have a stable good enough they have soph/Jr backing up seniors but not everyone has that luxury. The that’s where recruiting the portal well comes in.
Totally dependent like 8-9 transfers a year yes, taking 2-3 to feel needs like bama or others, I disagree. But at then same time look at FSU.
That's what happens when you make $11M/yr. To me, the realization that you need a generational QB to win big would be a concern. None of the top 4 right now have what you would refer to as a generational QB. Why do they have 4-5* kids stacked at every position but are still on a multi year slide? Look at the top 10. Who is a generational QB? Penix would be the only one I would consider.
I’m sure you’re holier than thou. It’s just friendly banter. Half of my family are Clemsuckers. They give me just as much crap as I give them. Dumbo brings a lot of this stuff on himself. He‘s constantly making statements that open himself up to others poking at him. I personally think he’s gonna jump over to Alabama when Saban hangs it up. Their program will implode at that point IMO….
Because their Oline is that bad. It’s the only explanation for why two qbs now are struggling. One is still there and one left and is having a successful season.
Their defense is still statistically a top ten defense. Fox the oline and they would be much better. Not that I’m hoping that happens or anything. Maybe they fire him and start their 40 years in the wilderness again.
That's not their entire problem. Their QB is ineffective, their WR room lacks ability to stretch the field, they are not disciplined in ball security. Also heard on the radio the reason they're a mess offensively in the last few games is bc they lost ONE OL....ONE. Can you imagine what they would look like if they lost 11?
Again, I think calling it a multi-year slide is being a bit dramatic. Are they at the pinnacle right now? No. But they were an 11-win team last year so, I mean, come on. There's always just so much hyperbole when describing their demise. It stems in large part from the fact that people don't like Dabo's personality, and never have, so folks are more than eager to jump on the "he's done" bandwagon.
I look at it from two perspectives. As a Gamecock fan, yeah it's great. As a fan of college football in general, it's stupid. This will be their first year since 2010 without 10 or more wins and their fans are apoplectic. Keeping in my mind, Dabo delivered to them the very thing they had been craving for decades. Even more than they dreamed of. Clemson fans could have never conceived of being THE dominant team in college football.
As good as Watson and Lawrence were, neither was ever the best player in the game, so I'm not sure why people throw around the "generational" moniker so much. Actually, I almost never hear that word used in college football except in reference to Dabo not being able to win without one. Dabo did land DJ who everyone tabbed as the next big QB. He just didn't pan out. Klubnik was the top QB in his class, but he hasn't panned out yet. You just don't land talented QBs like Watson and Lawrence in every class b/c they don't exist in every class, but that is the expectation for some reason with Dabo.
With regard to the salary, I somewhat agree. When you're making that much money, you better produce. However, $11 million today isn't that shocking. I mean, even middling coaches get paid $5 million and $6 million. The whole salary scale has just been bumped up when average coaches are making north of $5 million. Revenues are also up incredibly.
I just reject the notion that a coach MUST be in CFP contention every single year or it means they're on a slide. Fans just don't have the stomach to ride out 2 or 3 mediocre/subpar years anymore.
A major part of it, of course, is just how the media landscape has changed. 20 or 30 years ago, fans didn't have the outlet to express every fleeting moment of displeasure they felt. Now with Twitter, every fan in the country can Tweet their emotions in real time. Then, online publication publish articles titled "So and So faces social media backlash". And it goes viral.
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I have watched the games. They have wr wide open on almost every play. Cade doesn’t look through his progression. But at the same time, he doesn’t have time.
I have peered more since they started loosing and watched the nc state and Miami loss. I will admit that .Oh, I thought you didn't follow them that closely.