Tom's Oscars review?

Midnighter

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It was a sucker punch, or I guess slap. He looked like a total punk. He is a wannabe tough guy, like most of the people in that auditorium.

I mean, they're actors and filmmakers. But, some might surprise you - Adam Driver for example was a mortar man in the Marines.
 

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Disagree. A man slapping another man is about as weak as it gets. It’s either done because you are arrogant enough to think it will look cool on stage or because you’re not actually tough enough to throw a punch. In Smith’s case, it’s probably both.
Rock should now pull the “ultimate power move” and sue the hell out of Smith.
I would agree that if it were a street fight, a slap is super weak. However, in this situation, it kind of says "you're a b*tch".

Now, what would have been even better is a stiff face-push.
 
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I would agree that if it were a street fight, a slap is super weak. However, in this situation, it kind of says "you're a b*tch".

Now, what would have been even better is a stiff face-push.

It looked like Rock was expecting a ‘talking to’ as he kind of leaned in a bit as Smith approached. I’m still stunned that they let him return to his seat and accept an award later. Without apologizing to Rock - at all.
 

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I would agree that if it were a street fight, a slap is super weak. However, in this situation, it kind of says "you're a b*tch".

Now, what would have been even better is a stiff face-push.
Nah, it’s weak no matter the circumstances. If somebody offended your wife and you’re pissed enough at them to take physical action you take a punch at them. Unless it was the Oscars in 1685 England, then a slap is OK.
Any chance Smith would have done this If it was a joke from the other Rock?
 
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Nah, it’s weak no matter the circumstances. If somebody offended your wife and you’re pissed enough at them to take physical action you take a punch at them. Unless it was the Oscars in 1685 England, then a slap is OK.
Any chance Smith would have done this If it was a joke from the other Rock?
No chance. And Will Smith will be hearing GI Jane 2 jokes for the foreseeable future. He is 110% all pu$$y.
 
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Nah, it’s weak no matter the circumstances. If somebody offended your wife and you’re pissed enough at them to take physical action you take a punch at them. Unless it was the Oscars in 1685 England, then a slap is OK.
Any chance Smith would have done this If it was a joke from the other Rock?
Don't get me wrong. I think it was not cool for Smith to do it. Just saying that if you're going to do it, a slap is actually pretty demeaning in this circumstance.
 

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Don't get me wrong. I think it was not cool for Smith to do it. Just saying that if you're going to do it, a slap is actually pretty demeaning in this circumstance.
Demeaning to the guy half his size? Possibly. Embarrassing for him? Absolutely.
 

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Before I get to today's Poll, some overall thoughts:

  • Much better show than last year, but still pretty janky/uneven. Movies on the whole were better and more varied (people talk about representation but really, how many deaf-centric movies/actors have you ever seen in your life outside of Marlee Matlin??), but some of the choices were weird (athletes presenting, hosts were iffy, bits weren't too good, etc.).
  • Loved* the musical performances but bummed Encanto didn't win. The Academy loves Bond songs though and happy for Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas.
  • * - WTF did they do to 'We Don't Talk About Bruno'??? You have a beautiful cast, all of whom are present, and the biggest song of the year and once the it gets going you let Nicki Minaj rap for the rest of it??? What a total letdown. I really, really wanted to see Diane Guerrero sing! :(
  • Totally forgot Sally Kellerman and Ned Beatty died this past year. Man, getting old sucks.
  • Wesley Snipes is out of jail! And still looks bonkers. Harrelson the pothead looks fit as a fiddle though.
  • Loved that 'Drive My Car' won international film - Hamaguchi's speech was funny since he ended almost every sentence with a thank you and the producers thought he was finished.
  • Poor Anthony Hopkins - comes out not long after the Smith/Rock crap and looks like, 'I came all the way here for this sh*t?' Still the coolest guy in the room.
  • Pulp Fiction re-union - Getting old sucks part two.
  • I liked that outside of Dune winning every technical category almost everything else was fairly unpredictable.
  • Chastain campaigned hard for her Oscar and is well deserving and I thought all the 'acting' winners were justified.
  • Josh Brolin to Jason Momoa - 'Ever been nominated for an Oscar?' - Momoa - 'Pffffffttt.....NO.' LOL.
  • Will Smith is a chump. Chris Rock is a pro. Still can't believe no one escorted Smith out of the place. What a sad, pathetic cuck of a man.
I though it was Nicki Minaj rapping for a few seconds too, but I believe it was actually Megan thee Stallion.
 
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Yup - you’re correct. I like both of them but not in Bruno.
Same. I also like Becky G, who was up there. But this was a complete stepping on the toes of the real cast.

My son loves that song, and he was completely outraged at the performance.

He was also flummoxed at “Live and Let Die” playing during the Bond montage, because to him, that song has always been from Shrek. lol
 
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OK. Also embarrassing for the guy doing the slapping? Could it be both?

I think so. Will is so thin skinned and marginalized that this makes him look impossibly petty and overly sensitive. GI Jane came about about 30 years ago. It’s a lame joke worthy of an eye roll (Alopecia or no) and you move on. Smith would have owned this discourse if he said during his speech that he though the joke was cheap and lazy especially given his wife’s condition. But, he’s too emasculated and vain and now he’s the joke.
 

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I think so. Will is so thin skinned and marginalized that this makes him look impossibly petty and overly sensitive. GI Jane came about about 30 years ago. It’s a lame joke worthy of an eye roll (Alopecia or no) and you move on. Smith would have owned this discourse if he said during his speech that he though the joke was cheap and lazy especially given his wife’s condition. But, he’s too emasculated and vain and now he’s the joke.
+100. I don't know what Smith though he was doing or was going to accomplish (obviously the back story with those 3 has more to do with what happened than the stupid joke).
But since the slap I've seen and heard jokes made about Smith and Jada that were 10x worse than anything Rock said.
 
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To be honest, I really don't care that much.
I don’t care about movies in general. Though I did watch that Coda movie last night. It was pretty much an after school special. No idea why it was so highly regarded. But this slap fight has me caught up in it.
 

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I don’t care about movies in general. Though I did watch that Coda movie last night. It was pretty much an after school special. No idea why it was so highly regarded. But this slap fight has me caught up in it.

Probably because it's had a release on a massive platform, involved a seriously underrepresented community, and was very well done.
 

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Probably because it's had a release on a massive platform, involved a seriously underrepresented community, and was very well done.
I thought it sucked, but tastes vary. My wife also didn’t like it, which is typically a good barometer for me.
 

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I thought it sucked, but tastes vary. My wife also didn’t like it, which is typically a good barometer for me.

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The problem I have with CODA is that the screenwriters don’t know the first thing about deaf people and how they interact with society. The Rossis have had their fishing boat for decades and they still can’t manage the most rudimentary everyday give and take in selling their catch? That’s BS. Also the courtroom scene? It’s the government’s responsibility to provide an professional ASL interpreter for the family. Using the daughter as an interpreter in such a situation would just never happen. (Not that this makes any difference in moving the plot along.) The whole “we can’t survive without the help of our hearing child” just doesn’t ring true with me, at all. Terrific acting all around, though. I thought the music teacher was superb.
There is a story going around that Marlee Matlin was the first hire for CODA and that originally there were no plans to hire another Deaf actor. Matlin said no way, you gotta hire Deaf actors, or I’ll walk, rightfully so. (Any Deaf actor in that position would similarly object.) This is a no-brainer and the fact that the producers needed to be told this obvious fact is a huge red flag, proof positive of their ignorance of Deaf culture. I think this ignorance shows in the movie.
 
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There is a story going around that Marlee Matlin was the first hire for CODA and that originally there were no plans to hire another Deaf actor. Matlin said no way, you gotta hire Deaf actors, or I’ll walk, rightfully so. (Any Deaf actor in that position would similarly object.) This is a no-brainer and the fact that the producers needed to be told this obvious fact is a huge red flag, proof positive of their ignorance of Deaf culture. I think this ignorance shows in the movie.

I’m curious as to why someone like Matlin would agree to do the movie if such ignorance was so obvious. I haven’t seen it yet, and not in a position of authority on this subject as you, but was it just not realistic? Inauthentic? One of your main complaints was that it’s not reality to expect the couple to only to be able to communicate via their daughter - how is that remedied in real life? Bums me out that this missed the mark.
 
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I’m curious as to why someone like Matlin would agree to do the movie if such ignorance was so obvious. I haven’t seen it yet, and not in a position of authority on this subject as you, but was it just not realistic? Inauthentic? One of your main complaints was that it’s not reality to expect the couple to only to be able to communicate via their daughter - how is that remedied in real life? Bums me out that this missed the mark.
As long as Deaf roles are played by Deaf actors, it’s a payday. Deaf roles are few and far between, you don’t have the luxury of passing them up. Hearing people make compromises in their own roles all the time. Also, CODA is an adaption of a French movie from a decade ago, not original.
 

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I’m curious as to why someone like Matlin would agree to do the movie if such ignorance was so obvious. I haven’t seen it yet, and not in a position of authority on this subject as you, but was it just not realistic? Inauthentic? One of your main complaints was that it’s not reality to expect the couple to only to be able to communicate via their daughter - how is that remedied in real life? Bums me out that this missed the mark.
I’m curious as to why someone like Matlin would agree to do the movie if such ignorance was so obvious. I haven’t seen it yet, and not in a position of authority on this subject as you, but was it just not realistic? Inauthentic? One of your main complaints was that it’s not reality to expect the couple to only to be able to communicate via their daughter - how is that remedied in real life? Bums me out that this missed the mark.
Also, for most Deaf people being deaf ain’t no thing. We muddle thorough just like everyone else, and our deafness really doesn’t make for good movie screenplays.
 
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As long as Deaf roles are played by Deaf actors, it’s a payday. Deaf roles are few and far between, you don’t have the luxury of passing them up. Hearing people make compromises in their own roles all the time. Also, CODA is an adaption of a French movie from a decade ago, not original.

Did you see 'Sound of Metal' the other year? Curious as to your take on it. I liked how they used the audio to try to give hearing viewers a sense of what the lead was going through. I just found the story lacking, but I know very little of deaf culture outside of a few classmates and coworkers over the years.
 

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Did you see 'Sound of Metal' the other year? Curious as to your take on it. I liked how they used the audio to try to give hearing viewers a sense of what the lead was going through. I just found the story lacking, but I know very little of deaf culture outside of a few classmates and coworkers over the years.
I saw it. It’s a different thing than CODA, it’s about a hearing person becoming deaf, and how scary it can be. It’s also about the loss of one’s livelihood, because the lead was in a band. It was interesting enough. It did gloss over the challenges inherent in getting a cochlear implant. (You really have to commit yourself to maximizing the advantage of CIs, there’s a lot of therapy and drill involved. If you don’t put in the time, it’s just not going to work for you. It’s not a magic fix.)
 

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I saw it. It’s a different thing than CODA, it’s about a hearing person becoming deaf, and how scary it can be. It’s also about the loss of one’s livelihood, because the lead was in a band. It was interesting enough. It did gloss over the challenges inherent in getting a cochlear implant. (You really have to commit yourself to maximizing the advantage of CIs, there’s a lot of therapy and drill involved. If you don’t put in the time, it’s just not going to work for you. It’s not a magic fix.)

Yeah, that was one of the things that I questioned. The process, both before and after the implant seemed to take only a few minutes of screen time. It was almost as if it was a drive through window at McDonalds. I also didn't understand why (just going by what was shown on screen) the lead had the surgery to save his career as a drummer, only to give up on the implants so quickly after not even trying to put in the work required. The two people that I have met with implants put in a lot of time & therapy in order to use to them. To me, it seemed more like an exercise in film audio engineering than a well thought out story.
 
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