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Agree. Dual threat is more important in college, and in defining a good-to-great college QB, than in the pros, at least for now.

Having more confidence in his own ability to make plays running, among other things, is what hopefully separates his '24 performance over his '23 performance. I think the pros see him as more of a classic pocket NFL passer, if he is to be successful there, so he won't be expected to run at that level.
Drew has much more speed and ability to run than many give him credit for. he just didn't run that much. When he did it was often effective. I bet his 40 is in the range of most TE's - around 4.7

last year he had 330 yds gained running but lost 120 yds for a net 210. the losses were all likely sacks. If he could get the positive to around 500 yds and reduce the losses in half, that would have a solid impact.
 
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2023 Allar got sacrificed on the altar of sixth year Sean Clifford. He has another year to figure it out if this one goes sideways, and I would imagine if it doesn’t happen that he can look to Will Levis for NFL hope. Though I don’t think our “it works really well against teams with less talent than us” offensive system and the complete lack of capable WRs do him any favors.
The year he spent behind Sean Clifford was the right move. I’m sure Cliff did a great job mentoring DA…and DA wasn’t ready.
 
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I don't want Allar running. I realize he can but the benefits of him running don't outweigh the negative impact of him getting hurt.
 

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I think the national narrative is that Allar doesn’t have the goods to be a top QB. That’s ok. He can prove them wrong on the field. If he plays well, the hype will start up quickly.
Without wide receivers and with deer in headlights look in big spots, it will be an uphill climb…seems destined for Hack 2.0
 

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How does Drew's 2023 compare to Kerry Collins' 1993?
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I am hoping with all the pieces in place the coaching staff can let this team turn in a 1994 type of season. However, I feel the play calling on offense will hold them back.
 

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How does Drew's 2023 compare to Kerry Collins' 1993?
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I am hoping with all the pieces in place the coaching staff can let this team turn in a 1994 type of season. However, I feel the play calling on offense will hold them back.
The play calling of AK who you haven't seen call a game yet will hold this team back? Well that at least sounds reasonable. I don't see this team as talented as 94 on O, but not too many have been or will be. That to me is a bigger issue than play calling that we have yet to see. The good news is they don't have to be 94 good on offense to win as the 94 defense was average.
 

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Without wide receivers and with deer in headlights look in big spots, it will be an uphill climb…seems destined for Hack 2.0

Some people learn from experience and show improvement each year. Let's give the kid a chance before we start predetermining his future.
 

LaJollaCreek

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Some people learn from experience and show improvement each year. Let's give the kid a chance before we start predetermining his future.
Well it's easy to say if you just mix in "I hope I'm wrong". Dude had a 26-2 TD/INT ration in his first year and only under the PSU microscope is that a failed season. The best QB's ever have had bad games against better competition as it's a part of the game. Nobody is putting him in the HOF and nobody should be writing him off just yet, but it's just easier to jerk the knees and spout out stuff.
 
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How does Drew's 2023 compare to Kerry Collins' 1993?
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I am hoping with all the pieces in place the coaching staff can let this team turn in a 1994 type of season. However, I feel the play calling on offense will hold them back.
Seriously since they haven’t played a single game yet how could you possibly have any idea as to what plays the new OC will run?
 

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Seriously since they haven’t played a single game yet how could you possibly have any idea as to what plays the new OC will run?
This is the 2nd response I got to my post and would just like to remind you that even though there is a new OC, we still have the same head coach and the offense has pretty much sputtered under various OCs during the head coaches tenure. Expecting the same old same old, we seem to have the talent but it is the schemes/play calling that seems to hold them back all the time.
 

MacNit

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Some people learn from experience and show improvement each year. Let's give the kid a chance before we start predetermining his future.
Absolutely agree.

Speculation. But based upon watching him play. Not having WRs does not help.
 

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Well it's easy to say if you just mix in "I hope I'm wrong". Dude had a 26-2 TD/INT ration in his first year and only under the PSU microscope is that a failed season. The best QB's ever have had bad games against better competition as it's a part of the game. Nobody is putting him in the HOF and nobody should be writing him off just yet, but it's just easier to jerk the knees and spout out stuff.
How did he do against O$U? Michigan? Mississippi?
 

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How did he do against O$U? Michigan? Mississippi?
Better than your ability to read and comprehend a post. If you want to write him off....go ahead, I'm not stopping you. Repeating dumb message board cliches is a thing here, but I don't buy them....but you do you....and maybe read this part again and say the words out loud.

Nobody is putting him in the HOF and nobody should be writing him off just yet, but it's just easier to jerk the knees and spout out stuff.

So we can write him off based on 3 games, but the other 9 we can ignore if it's convenient. Maybe he should just quit football now.....FFS, this site is overrun with idiotic wannabe hot takes.

Let's go to the review on the board QB hot takes over the years on this site.

No way Matt McGloin should ever start over Bolden as Bolden can really spin it and McGloin has a "noodle" arm. One went on to the NFL, the other did not.

Anthony Morrelli may have the prettiest throw in college football and M Rob isn't a QB, Morrelli needs to start. Why sign a 5 star QB and sit him behind a RB.

Zack Mills will win a Heisman (after 2 starts).

Sean Clifford will never even sniff the NFL.

Allar should just start day 1 since Clifford isn't a NFL QB.


So sorry, not sorry that I don't buy into the cliche hyberbole that Allar cannot get better and we are doomed. New playcaller this year, WR's have something to prove and there are enough other weapons at RB/TE to also push this offense along with hopefully improved play calling. Maybe it gets better, maybe it doesn't....only time will tell.
 
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Better than your ability to read and comprehend a post. If you want to write him off....go ahead, I'm not stopping you. Repeating dumb message board cliches is a thing here, but I don't buy them....but you do you....and maybe read this part again and say the words out loud.

Nobody is putting him in the HOF and nobody should be writing him off just yet, but it's just easier to jerk the knees and spout out stuff.

So we can write him off based on 3 games, but the other 9 we can ignore if it's convenient. Maybe he should just quit football now.....FFS, this site is overrun with idiotic wannabe hot takes.

Let's go to the review on the board QB hot takes over the years on this site.

No way Matt McGloin should ever start over Bolden as Bolden can really spin it and McGloin has a "noodle" arm. One went on to the NFL, the other did not.

Anthony Morrelli may have the prettiest throw in college football and M Rob isn't a QB, Morrelli needs to start. Why sign a 5 star QB and sit him behind a RB.

Zack Mills will win a Heisman (after 2 starts).

Sean Clifford will never even sniff the NFL.

Allar should just start day 1 since Clifford isn't a NFL QB.


So sorry, not sorry that I don't buy into the cliche hyberbole that Allar cannot get better and we are doomed. New playcaller this year, WR's have something to prove and there are enough other weapons at RB/TE to also push this offense along with hopefully improved play calling. Maybe it gets better, maybe it doesn't....only time will tell.

In other words, we know football.
 

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The year he spent behind Sean Clifford was the right move. I’m sure Cliff did a great job mentoring DA…and DA wasn’t ready.
Disagree. Sean should have been pulled after OSU. Season was over for any national relevance at that point; Sean had received more than his fair share of opportunity to prove that he could carry the team. James wasn't under any threat of actually getting fired either, so he didn't need to win to keep his paycheck. Clifford era was officially over and recruits and the portal guys needed to see the future at the most important position on the field with the #1 HS 5-star QB recruit. Drew would have seen 16 full quarters of Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and MSU, in addition to the prep time and focus as the main guy for an entire month plus a bowl game. Not exactly murders row, but a good endurance test run and a good chance to make mistakes when it didn't really matter to the overall standings or your coach's mortgage payment. That would have helped him get ready for 2023. Instead, Sean played so we could get to a meaningless Rose Bowl (how do I know it was meaningless? I haven't seen one person on here say "but who will go to the rose bowl?!?!?!" now that the 12 team playoffs are here) and Drew predictably struggled when he got thrown into the fire for the first time as the main man. He could have had a softer landing for 2023, but Sean Clifford needed that 6th season and Franklin needed to justify playing him over Drew so... too bad Drew. It is what it is.

Drew has this year and next year, probably. Most excuses are off the board for him this year because he had the full season experience in 2023, soft landing or not. I don't like the OC change for him mid-way through his career here, and they failed (both portal and recruiting wise) to get him anything close to what OSU fields for its WR room. They did get him an actual OSU cast-off, so that might help everyone in some capacity. And I guess the new OC probably isn't a real change because we will probably still see the same patented James Franklin "Hey, Saquon, run around and make us all look good" offense that we have tried to recreate ever since he left. I can only hope that Drew is the guy we all hoped he would be: someone who is so talented that he is on loan from the NFL and these inferior college guys and Franklin can't hold him back. I have tempered my expectations.
 
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pamdlion

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Disagree. Sean should have been pulled after OSU. Season was over for any national relevance at that point; Sean had received more than his fair share of opportunity to prove that he could carry the team. James wasn't under any threat of actually getting fired either, so he didn't need to win to keep his paycheck. Clifford era was officially over and recruits and the portal guys needed to see the future at the most important position on the field with the #1 HS 5-star QB recruit. Drew would have seen 16 full quarters of Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and MSU, in addition to the prep time and focus as the main guy for an entire month plus a bowl game. Not exactly murders row, but a good endurance test run and a good chance to make mistakes when it didn't really matter to the overall standings or your coach's mortgage payment. That would have helped him get ready for 2023. Instead, Sean played so we could get to a meaningless Rose Bowl (how do I know it was meaningless? I haven't seen one person on here say "but who will go to the rose bowl?!?!?!" now that the 12 team playoffs are here) and Drew predictably struggled when he got thrown into the fire for the first time as the main man. He could have had a softer landing for 2023, but Sean Clifford needed that 6th season and Franklin needed to justify playing him over Drew so... too bad Drew. It is what it is.

Drew has this year and next year, probably. Most excuses are off the board for him this year because he had the full season experience in 2023, soft landing or not. I don't like the OC change for him mid-way through his career here, and they failed (both portal and recruiting wise) to get him anything close to what OSU fields for its WR room. They did get him an actual OSU cast-off, so that might help everyone in some capacity. And I guess the new OC probably isn't a real change because we will probably still see the same patented James Franklin "Hey, Saquon, run around and make us all look good" offense that we have tried to recreate ever since he left. I can only hope that Drew is the guy we all hoped he would be: someone who is so talented that he is on loan from the NFL and these inferior college guys and Franklin can't hold him back. I have tempered my expectations.
Drew was plenty ready for last season. He had a WR room that was vacant. Verdict is still out on that group.
 
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This is the 2nd response I got to my post and would just like to remind you that even though there is a new OC, we still have the same head coach and the offense has pretty much sputtered under various OCs during the head coaches tenure. Expecting the same old same old, we seem to have the talent but it is the schemes/play calling that seems to hold them back all the time.
I'm sure the head coach hired a new OC so nothing would change.
 

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Better than your ability to read and comprehend a post. If you want to write him off....go ahead, I'm not stopping you. Repeating dumb message board cliches is a thing here, but I don't buy them....but you do you....and maybe read this part again and say the words out loud.

Nobody is putting him in the HOF and nobody should be writing him off just yet, but it's just easier to jerk the knees and spout out stuff.

So we can write him off based on 3 games, but the other 9 we can ignore if it's convenient. Maybe he should just quit football now.....FFS, this site is overrun with idiotic wannabe hot takes.

Let's go to the review on the board QB hot takes over the years on this site.

No way Matt McGloin should ever start over Bolden as Bolden can really spin it and McGloin has a "noodle" arm. One went on to the NFL, the other did not.

Anthony Morrelli may have the prettiest throw in college football and M Rob isn't a QB, Morrelli needs to start. Why sign a 5 star QB and sit him behind a RB.

Zack Mills will win a Heisman (after 2 starts).

Sean Clifford will never even sniff the NFL.

Allar should just start day 1 since Clifford isn't a NFL QB.


So sorry, not sorry that I don't buy into the cliche hyberbole that Allar cannot get better and we are doomed. New playcaller this year, WR's have something to prove and there are enough other weapons at RB/TE to also push this offense along with hopefully improved play calling. Maybe it gets better, maybe it doesn't....only time will tell.
You mean cliches like questioning reading comprehension?

Allar has a long way to go.

Hope he gets there but if not then Franklin needs to make a change.

Will he? Well, I have given up on Franklin as being anything but a middling game day coach. I’d say there is ample evidence for everyone but head-in-the sand apologists.
 
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You mean cliches like questioning reading comprehension?

Allar has a long way to go.

Hope he gets there but if not then Franklin needs to make a change.

Will he? Well, I have given up on Franklin as being anything but a middling game day coach. I’d say there is ample evidence for everyone but head-in-the sand apologists.
Cool, that is so awesome!!! An apologist cliche on top of that.....you're such heros taking the field over PSU!!!! Hopefully they don't make the playoffs or have a good year so you can be "right". I'll still watch PSU and actually hope they have a great year....oh the horror that must bring you. You're lucky as you don't have to watch a single game since you know it all.

Michelle Obama GIF by PBS News
 
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Cool, that is so awesome!!! An apologist cliche on top of that.....you're such heros taking the field over PSU!!!! Hopefully they don't make the playoffs or have a good year so you can be "right". I'll still watch PSU and actually hope they have a great year....oh the horror that must bring you. You're lucky as you don't have to watch a single game since you know it all.

Michelle Obama GIF by PBS News
Project much?

Don’t equate honest with hope.

I am quite sure I have watched and know more about Penn State football than you. Hardly makes me a know-it-all as you know very little.
 

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Cool, that is so awesome!!! An apologist cliche on top of that.....you're such heros taking the field over PSU!!!! Hopefully they don't make the playoffs or have a good year so you can be "right". I'll still watch PSU and actually hope they have a great year....oh the horror that must bring you. You're lucky as you don't have to watch a single game since you know it all.

Michelle Obama GIF by PBS News
If PSU doesn’t make the playoffs with the cake-walk schedule they have it will be a disaster for the program.