
College football's 30 most impressive facilities in 2024, ranked
When it comes to upgraded facilities and state-of-the-art amenities, these programs spare no expense.

Glad to see PSU made the list....barely.
You realize PSU cannot even make a 500k goal with NIL currently? Where do you think that money will come from since the school cannot currently pay for anyone directly via NIL. PSU fans want a MNC first and then they'll pay up....or once they fire this HC and hire a Joe guy it will all be fixed. The circular logic that is the PSU football community. I want a Ferrari, he is my 40k, where is my Ferrarri?Rather than dump $700 million into new facilities, I think you would get better results on the field if you just took $70 million and did NIL deals with a bunch of 5 stars and top portal guys. I mean, what would it really cost, even if you overpaid? $2 million a player for the year? That's a starting 22 of top portal and 5 star guys for $44 million. PSU would make that back in 24 hours on merchandise sales alone. I said the same thing about basketball. 5 top guys for $3 million each? $15 million for a final four appearance is dirt cheap.
Sometimes I wonder if the dog is chasing the tail or if the tail is chasing the dogYou realize PSU cannot even make a 500k goal with NIL currently? Where do you think that money will come from since the school cannot currently pay for anyone directly via NIL. PSU fans want a MNC first and then they'll pay up....or once they fire this HC and hire a Joe guy it will all be fixed. The circular logic that is the PSU football community. I want a Ferrari, he is my 40k, where is my Ferrarri?
I took his argument to be that you use the $40+ million for this instead of the facility upgradeYou realize PSU cannot even make a 500k goal with NIL currently? Where do you think that money will come from since the school cannot currently pay for anyone directly via NIL. PSU fans want a MNC first and then they'll pay up....or once they fire this HC and hire a Joe guy it will all be fixed. The circular logic that is the PSU football community. I want a Ferrari, he is my 40k, where is my Ferrarri?
Gotcha, maybe he did but unless I'm mistaken the school cannot yet cut NIL money directly?I took his argument to be that you use the $40+ million for this instead of the facility upgrade
It was a post about the current state of college athletics, not about what actually can happen with PSU and the NIL fringe. It was to illustrate how cheap it really is to buy a winning team and that the money, like most things spent at most college campuses, is being spent unwisely on buildings rather than on the people who occupy them. $700 million for a new facility that won't attract a super team vs. spending less than $50 million for an actual super team. It's to illustrate an absurdity/contradiction with the entire collegiate "student-athlete" system that no longer works with the times we are living in.You realize PSU cannot even make a 500k goal with NIL currently? Where do you think that money will come from since the school cannot currently pay for anyone directly via NIL. PSU fans want a MNC first and then they'll pay up....or once they fire this HC and hire a Joe guy it will all be fixed. The circular logic that is the PSU football community. I want a Ferrari, he is my 40k, where is my Ferrarri?
PSU, if one wishes to be honest, is likely over achieving in the current environment. I don't know how they kept Allen, Singleton, and Carter etc. Many people here are still living in "deal old State." It's long dead. It died when everyone accepted the way they fired Joe. It didn't get buried properly until pay for play.You realize PSU cannot even make a 500k goal with NIL currently? Where do you think that money will come from since the school cannot currently pay for anyone directly via NIL. PSU fans want a MNC first and then they'll pay up....or once they fire this HC and hire a Joe guy it will all be fixed. The circular logic that is the PSU football community. I want a Ferrari, he is my 40k, where is my Ferrarri?
Unintentionally, that should be the new motto.PSU, if one wishes to be honest, is likely over achieving in the current environment. I don't know how they kept Allen, Singleton, and Carter etc. Many people here are still living in "deal old State." It's long dead. It died when everyone accepted the way they fired Joe. It didn't get buried properly until pay for play.
Guess spending $105mm wasn't enough, though some schools on the list apparently spent less.![]()
College football's 30 most impressive facilities in 2024, ranked
When it comes to upgraded facilities and state-of-the-art amenities, these programs spare no expense.247sports.com
Glad to see PSU made the list....barely.
Guess not. Some schools on the list also spent throughout the years and tried to keep up. Some didn't because they were too good for it. Just like PSU won't keep up with NIL as other schools will.Guess spending $105mm wasn't enough, though some schools on the list apparently spent less.
Sure. And you think the writer knows what he's talking about? The $48.3mm upgrade "coming soon" was completed in 2022.Guess not. Some schools on the list also spent throughout the years and tried to keep up. Some didn't because they were too good for it. Just like PSU won't keep up with NIL as other schools will.
Rather than dump $700 million into new facilities, I think you would get better results on the field if you just took $70 million and did NIL deals with a bunch of 5 stars and top portal guys. I mean, what would it really cost, even if you overpaid? $2 million a player for the year? That's a starting 22 of top portal and 5 star guys for $44 million. PSU would make that back in 24 hours on merchandise sales alone. I said the same thing about basketball. 5 top guys for $3 million each? $15 million for a final four appearance is dirt cheap.
Rather than dump $700 million into new facilities, I think you would get better results on the field if you just took $70 million and did NIL deals with a bunch of 5 stars and top portal guys. I mean, what would it really cost, even if you overpaid? $2 million a player for the year? That's a starting 22 of top portal and 5 star guys for $44 million. PSU would make that back in 24 hours on merchandise sales alone. I said the same thing about basketball. 5 top guys for $3 million each? $15 million for a final four appearance is dirt cheap.
Washington just made a $2,100,000 dollar NIL payment to secure the services of Utah's best basketball player for his senior year. One of my apprehensions regarding the "Brave New World" of college athletics is what I envision will be a spiraling upsurge in the cost to do business. How much is, or perhaps more important, will be, enough?It was a post about the current state of college athletics, not about what actually can happen with PSU and the NIL fringe. It was to illustrate how cheap it really is to buy a winning team and that the money, like most things spent at most college campuses, is being spent unwisely on buildings rather than on the people who occupy them. $700 million for a new facility that won't attract a super team vs. spending less than $50 million for an actual super team. It's to illustrate an absurdity/contradiction with the entire collegiate "student-athlete" system that no longer works with the times we are living in.
understatement of the yearfacilities shouldn't matter(i know they do trying to attract top talent), kids today are spoiled...
Where is all that money PSU didn't spend? I would love to know where that is stashed away - must be a very, very big shoebox.Guess not. Some schools on the list also spent throughout the years and tried to keep up. Some didn't because they were too good for it. Just like PSU won't keep up with NIL as other schools will.
So in the late 90’s and early on in the 2000’s they were keeping up with the SEC and tOSU. Must be nice to rewrite history.Where is all that money PSU didn't spend? I would love to know where that is stashed away - must be a very, very big shoebox.
If I recall, Lasch and the indoor facility were considered state of the art when they opened in the 90s.So in the late 90’s and early on in the 2000’s they were keeping up with the SEC and tOSU. Must be nice to rewrite history.
Lasch opened in 1999. The Woody Hayes Athletic Center (guess where) was built in 1987 and didn't undergo any significant renovation for about 20 years.If I recall, Lasch and the indoor facility were considered state of the art when they opened in the 90s.
#3... all with JayPa, Lubrano, (oh, and you) being gigantic, K2 size road blocks to the overall spending, and therefore success, of PSU football.If "history" is facts, lets look at the facts:
1) Ever since college athletics started to generate big revenues, PSU has been one of the largest revenue generators in the country (well within the top 10)
2) In addition, PSU (the university) takes on debt, and sends the money to the athletic department
3) PSU Athletics is about to become the largest "debtor" athletic program - not the largest in debt program in the B10, not the largest in debt program in the nation (twice as much debt as the runner up - Cal.... and we know Cal's story, where the university now is saddled with 90 more years of debt... being paid for out of the general budget (tuition) not athletics), but the largest in debt athletic program in the national history of college athletics. Ever. By a wide margin.
4) The PSU athletic department has, for all intents and purposes, no money in their bank account.
All facts. You can look it up.
So, given that history of facts - where is all the money?
If "history" is facts, lets look at the facts:
1) Ever since college athletics started to generate big revenues, PSU has been one of the largest revenue generators in the country (well within the top 10)
2) In addition, PSU (the university) takes on debt, and sends the money to the athletic department
3) PSU Athletics is about to become the largest "debtor" athletic program - not the largest in debt program in the B10, not the largest in debt program in the nation (twice as much debt as the runner up - Cal.... and we know Cal's story, where the university now is saddled with 90 more years of debt... being paid for out of the general budget (tuition) not athletics), but the largest in debt athletic program in the national history of college athletics. Ever. By a wide margin.
4) The PSU athletic department has, for all intents and purposes, no money in their bank account.
All facts. You can look it up.
So, given that history of facts - where is all the money?
If "history" is facts, lets look at the facts:
1) Ever since college athletics started to generate big revenues, PSU has been one of the largest revenue generators in the country (well within the top 10)
2) In addition, PSU (the university) takes on debt, and sends the money to the athletic department
3) PSU Athletics is about to become the largest "debtor" athletic program - not the largest in debt program in the B10, not the largest in debt program in the nation (twice as much debt as the runner up - Cal.... and we know Cal's story, where the university now is saddled with 90 more years of debt... being paid for out of the general budget (tuition) not athletics), but the largest in debt athletic program in the national history of college athletics. Ever. By a wide margin.
4) The PSU athletic department has, for all intents and purposes, no money in their bank account.
All facts. You can look it up.
So, given that history of facts - where is all the money?
Gentlemen,#3... all with JayPa, Lubrano, (oh, and you) being gigantic, K2 size road blocks to the overall spending, and therefore success, of PSU football.
Hmm.
If "history" is facts, lets look at the facts:
1) Ever since college athletics started to generate big revenues, PSU has been one of the largest revenue generators in the country (well within the top 10)
2) In addition, PSU (the university) takes on debt, and sends the money to the athletic department
3) PSU Athletics is about to become the largest "debtor" athletic program - not the largest in debt program in the B10, not the largest in debt program in the nation (twice as much debt as the runner up - Cal.... and we know Cal's story, where the university now is saddled with 90 more years of debt... being paid for out of the general budget (tuition) not athletics), but the largest in debt athletic program in the national history of college athletics. Ever. By a wide margin.
4) The PSU athletic department has, for all intents and purposes, no money in their bank account.
All facts. You can look it up.
So, given that history of facts - where is all the money?
they were and then we just kind of put it neutral and coasted for the next 20+ years.If I recall, Lasch and the indoor facility were considered state of the art when they opened in the 90s.
As did Ohio State.they were and then we just kind of put it neutral and coasted for the next 20+ years.
Which sport generates the most revenue from that entire department and has for years? PSU has a FOOTBALL community that thinks they are a top 5 program or aspires to be, but they clearly are not. I have very little doubt that the school mismanages money while sharing the wealth with other sports and projects, but this is specific to football and how or why PSU did fall behind at the turn of the century. If you want to make the discussion about womens field hockey or which sports are in the red....by all means you can talk about that until your hearts content and I'm sure you will.
The last time I even looked PSU football was making close to or at 100 million a year buy maybe that has changed. PSU had a coach who admitted to not recruiting as "they got lazy" 20 years ago, but let me guess they were outspending the other Universities on fooball related investments 20 years ago too. You want a separate pulpit for your AD budgetary grandstanding.....click on start a new thread as many will welcome it. I have no doubt everything you stated is true, but I'm kind of over hearing about how great PSU should be when they stopped trying to be a long time ago and in the last decade started playing catch up. You want to be the guy that pulls it all back in....have at it.
Revenue, gentlemen, that's the gross. You want to look at the net. After all, Big Game James can't be expected to work for free.PSU athletic department was #8 in revenue per an article in 2023 (I don't know if they cook the books, but according to the article UVA only makes $20mm less per year than PSU, which I find stunning). It also shows PSU with a net of about $10mm after expenses (snicker).
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USA Today releases Top 25 revenue earning college athletic programs for 2022
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Seems fair and even slightly optimistic.PSU has a window open to fix their NIL and other funding issues. They have about two years to do so and to decide what kind of program they want to be. That window will close soon and if they don't achieve better coordination, a shared vision amongst the current factions, and commitments from big money, they will be stuck in the second tier of football teams that qualify for the football playoffs approximately 50% of the time.
Better than even chance that "NIL" isn't even a thing in 5 years.PSU has a window open to fix their NIL and other funding issues. They have about two years to do so and to decide what kind of program they want to be. That window will close soon and if they don't achieve better coordination, a shared vision amongst the current factions, and commitments from big money, they will be stuck in the second tier of football teams that qualify for the football playoffs approximately 50% of the time.
To be replaced by contracts like other pro sports?Better than even chance that "NIL" isn't even a thing in 5 years.
That would be my guess. NIL would still exist, but it would evolve into endorsement deals like pro athletes have. The money-laundering aspects would vanish.To be replaced by contracts like other pro sports?
makes sense to meThat would be my guess. NIL would still exist, but it would evolve into endorsement deals like pro athletes have. The money-laundering aspects would vanish.
It's not like the sport is governed now but I'm sure it will be in 5 years after the last 3 decades of pay for play. There will still be no incentive to not cheat or pay extra...or I'll believe it when I see it.To be replaced by contracts like other pro sports?
All IMO:To be replaced by contracts like other pro sports?
You mean like the NFL where teams cheat against the salary cap on a regular basis.It's not like the sport is governed now but I'm sure it will be in 5 years after the last 3 decades of pay for play. There will still be no incentive to not cheat or pay extra...or I'll believe it when I see it.
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