Trevor Lawrence: intentionally concussed

[paindonthurt17]

It’s certainly a penalty with the rules now but I don’t think that’s intentionally dirty.

You have a defender running flat out and a mobile qb who decides to slide.

Yes it’s a penalty and a good rule but I don’t think it’s dirty or intentional.

 

[onewoof]

It would be much more mature to leave the race/religion hate claims off the table.

Again, I would be willing to bet there is a pattern of him hitting guys like that in college, which is a reality vs. the mysterious claims of what lies "hidden in his heart".

And with the concussion safety of the NFL looming in the background, this was negligence on his part, wherther it was intentional or unintentional. I would think anyone that hits anyone like that, to cause what can be a permanent head injury, regardless of race or religion, will be ejected from the game and suspended from future games. This is not targetting where the guy gets up and asks for a flag, this is a guy sliding and getting a concussion, which is absolutely, completely avoidable. One would think the NFL will come down hard on this and future hits like this.

 

[onewoof]

I take back my comment about the apology sounding sincere if he's a repeat offender.

All praise to Allah? Looks like a Jihad soldier. Notice the same forearm hit up high.

 

[Drebin]

I take back my comment about the apology sounding sincere if he's a repeat offender.

Last week, Al-Shaair was flagged and later fined $11,255 for a late hit out of bounds on Tennessee Titans running back Tony Pollard.

He also was fined $11,817 earlier this year after he punched Bears running back Roschon Johnson on the sideline in Week 2. That occurred during a scuffle that started after his hard shot on quarterback Caleb Williams near the sideline wasn't flagged.

Texans' Al-Shaair apologizes for hit on Lawrence

Texans linebacker Azeez Al-Shaair took to social media Monday morning to apologize to the Jaguars' Trevor Lawrence after his violent blow to the quarterback that left him with a concussion.

www.espn.com

 

[onewoof]

Yeah I think the NFL sits this guy and his good heart

 

[johnson86-1]

I don't really see this as playing the race card. Playing the race card would be, "Yall only care because he's white and I am a black Muslim!" He just told the media and everyone else that was coming at him - including racists, etc. - to 17 off because they don't know what's in his heart.

He says they don't know his heart, but I think he's given everybody a good idea of it by rocking "free Palestine" cleats without any apparent public condemnation of Hamas or Oct. 7th.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I went and looked at the play by play stats on espn app, which says they spotted the ball at the 45. As for what constitutes a slide, the rule book says once a QB starts the slide or simulates going to the ground. Sounds like a judgement call but I think most people would generally agree he started the slide around the 45 or 46 yard line…. Or maybe the 45.5

So if the ball was spotted at the 45, it means this photo is when the refs rule that he began the slide. You can see the ball right on top of the 45.



At this moment, Shaair has already pushed off the ground (from just inside the 42), and his helmet / arm are even with the 43 as he’s moving forward. He’s already launched his body towards Lawrence, meaning he can’t just hit the air brakes and undo this course of action. There’s also only 6 feet of space between them at this time. If they are both moving 18mph towards each other (which is slow, by peak NFL speed standards) that gap completely closes in about 0.11 seconds. Nowhere close to enough time for Shaair to read the situation and change his course of action, even if he HADN’T already started the tackle.

NFL rulebook may still say that its an illegal hit for anything that happens after the slide starts, even if the defender has already engaged and has no way to adjust. I hope not, but it might. But either way, if you’re a QB, and you’re less than 3 yards away from an oncoming defender when you start sliding, whatever happens to you is on you. The human nervous system and human motor function of the opposing player are not going to be able to react quickly enough to save you, even if they have the absolute best of intentions.

 

[Perd Hapley]

You have totally clowned yourself in this thread.

His own coach said it was a dirty play and "we don't teach that." The guy issued a half-assed apology today where he blamed "islamophobia" and "racism." He's gonna get suspended for at least the rest of the season. And given the other crap he's pulled this year, that's not enough.

I'm no fan of Trevor Lawrence but I can see this for what it was.

Clowned myself by proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he engaged to the tackle before Lawrence even started the slide? OK then.

I don’t care what Ryans said. He has no other option but to condemn it and assume the worst and be overly cautious with his words in that situation.

I also don’t care what he apologized for, didn’t apologize for, what he did last week, what cleats he wears, what God he worships, who he voted for, whether he kneeled for the anthem, or whether he celebrates Nickelback’s entire catalog. None of it has a damn thing to do with the facts of what happened within literal hundreths of a second in the reaction times of two different athletes that led to an unfortunate situation.

 

[POTUS]

@Perd Hapley in here doing Zapruder film I don't have time to dissect, but shouldn't the defender be avoiding contact when he sees a sliding player? The forearm shiver to the head seems avoidable even at full speed. Added to his reputation, I'd say he's rightly being condemned.

 

[MSTerritoryDog]

His intended point of attack was at the knees? What self-respecting professional defender tries to tackle a QB (a QUARTERBCK) at knee height. What a joke. He lowered his point of attack downward. Two refs simultaneously threw flags. It was a cheap shot, and he knew it. I know the game happens fast, but all professionals have certain rules to follow.

Let’s keep in mind that RG3 didn’t say “bang bang play” or “I think that’s targeting”, he instead said “there is no place in the game of football for hits like this.” He’s used to game speed and bang bang plays. Sure he is a QB, but his message was very clear.

 

[paindonthurt17]

All praise to Allah? Looks like a Jihad soldier. Notice the same forearm hit up high.

That hit isn’t late either.

and trust me. I’m not an apologist for anyone who is pro hamas or pro Palestine as it pertains to anti Israel.

 

[paindonthurt17]

He says they don't know his heart, but I think he's given everybody a good idea of it by rocking "free Palestine" cleats without any apparent public condemnation of Hamas or Oct. 7th.

This I will 100% agree with.

if you are pro Palestine but don’t have the same convictions and effort of being anti 10/7 you are dumb or a piece of $h1t

 

[paindonthurt17]

So if the ball was spotted at the 45, it means this photo is when the refs rule that he began the slide. You can see the ball right on top of the 45.

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At this moment, Shaair has already pushed off the ground (from just inside the 42), and his helmet / arm are even with the 43 as he’s moving forward. He’s already launched his body towards Lawrence, meaning he can’t just hit the air brakes and undo this course of action. There’s also only 6 feet of space between them at this time. If they are both moving 18mph towards each other (which is slow, by peak NFL speed standards) that gap completely closes in about 0.11 seconds. Nowhere close to enough time for Shaair to read the situation and change his course of action, even if he HADN’T already started the tackle.

NFL rulebook may still say that its an illegal hit for anything that happens after the slide starts, even if the defender has already engaged and has no way to adjust. I hope not, but it might. But either way, if you’re a QB, and you’re less than 3 yards away from an oncoming defender when you start sliding, whatever happens to you is on you. The human nervous system and human motor function of the opposing player are not going to be able to react quickly enough to save you, even if they have the absolute best of intentions.

This is my point. Even, if he reacted to not hit him at that instant, he still can’t stop himself.

But no one playing full speed could react that fast EVEN if they could stop themselves.

 

[Perd Hapley]

@Perd Hapley in here doing Zapruder film I don't have time to dissect, but shouldn't the defender be avoiding contact when he sees a sliding player?

“Back….and to the left”

I’m apparently just the only one who paid attention in physics. You can’t avoid contact when you’ve already launched yourself forward. An object in motion stays in motion. A player in motion in mid-air towards a point in space is going to stay in motion towards that point in space. A player in motion in midair before another player decides to slide is going to stay in motion regardless of what that player decides to do.

The forearm shiver to the head seems avoidable even at full speed. Added to his reputation, I'd say he's rightly being condemned.

Same thing above applies to the arm. The arms are always going to lead. And the motion of the arm was predetermined before the slide, just like everything else.

Look, Al-Shaair could be literally the best human being ever, or the worst. Neither matters, because he is, in fact, a human being, and not a Marvel character. He is thus not capable of the intentionality required to hurt Lawrence there, or avoid hurting him. There was no time. 6 feet of space between 2 guys moving 18-20mph towards each other (and one already pushing off the ground and going airborne) when the slide was “declared”. Think about that for a second.

 

[ronpolk]

This is my point. Even, if he reacted to not hit him at that instant, he still can’t stop himself.

But no one playing full speed could react that fast EVEN if they could stop themselves.

I 100% acknowledge it’s not an easy play for the defender to stop…. that exactly play was routine 5 to 10 years ago, QBs would slide and still get their head knocked off. However, it’s very uncommon now. QBs didn’t stop sliding, so it’s clear to me that defenders can and do most of the time make an effort to stop. That’s the problem with this play is that the defender made zero effort to pull up or go over Lawrence. You see that every week where a defender will make a last second adjustment. In this case, he went very hard and added the forearm.

 

[MSUDOG24]

His intended point of attack was at the knees? What self-respecting professional defender tries to tackle a QB (a QUARTERBCK) at knee height. What a joke. He lowered his point of attack downward. Two refs simultaneously threw flags. It was a cheap shot, and he knew it. I know the game happens fast, but all professionals have certain rules to follow.

Let’s keep in mind that RG3 didn’t say “bang bang play” or “I think that’s targeting”, he instead said “there is no place in the game of football for hits like this.” He’s used to game speed and bang bang plays. Sure he is a QB, but his message was very clear.

This is what I saw. All he had to do is stop going down and likely go right over the top of his head.

 

[onewoof]

Tell me this. Why don't you see other professionals doing this in 2024. Hmmmm

 

[Perd Hapley]

This is what I saw. All he had to do is stop going down and likely go right over the top of his head.

I’m wondering if some of yall are living in the same time space continuum as me….

Adjusted his target downward? In mid-air? Are yall serious? Trevor Lawrence is 6’6”. I mean, what’s the argument here? Shaair was just going straight for the top of his tall-***’ dome while he was standing up, then in like a hundreth of a second of notice, he both decided and executed a decision - in mid-air - to move his point of impact down 5 FEET, all in a space of 6 feet of horizontal distance? Jesus.

@POTUS nailed it with the JFK / Zapruder film reference. Got some “bullets turning left in mid-air” type craziness up in here.

 

[HuntDawg]

Tell me this. Why don't you see other professionals doing this in 2024. Hmmmm

You can’t find anyone defending the hit. The guy already has a list of fines for being overly aggressive. The way his teammates acted after said a lot too.

it could and should have been avoided. Go listen to what Daryl Johnston says on the broadcast and it explains it all. Can’t be said any better than he said it.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Tell me this. Why don't you see other professionals doing this in 2024. Hmmmm

Because QB’s don’t normally wait until the defender has already jumped at them before they start sliding. It’s that simple. Defenders are coached to be aware of a sliding QB in the open field and not hit them when they slide. QB’s are taught to take what they can get and then get down quickly as possible, not press their luck.

Lawrence was gunning for the 1st down marker and thought he could get there unscathed. He was wrong. If he slides at the 47, he leaves his team with a manageable 3rd and 3 and he’s still out there. Or even if he just doesn’t slide at all, and takes whatever hit was coming to his thighs or whatever.

 

[MSUDOG24]

I’m wondering if some of yall are living in the same time space continuum as me….

Adjusted his target downward? In mid-air? Are yall serious? Trevor Lawrence is 6’6”. I mean, what’s the argument here? Shaair was just going straight for the top of his tall-***’ dome while he was standing up, then in like a hundreth of a second of notice, he both decided and executed a decision - in mid-air - to move his point of impact down 5 FEET, all in a space of 6 feet of horizontal distance? Jesus.

@POTUS nailed it with the JFK / Zapruder film reference. Got some “bullets turning left in mid-air” type craziness up in here.

Just sharing my opinion. Yes I absolutely think there is a point when you decide to either go for the kill or let up and can make that split second decision. I think he chose the former.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I 100% acknowledge it’s not an easy play for the defender to stop…. that exactly play was routine 5 to 10 years ago, QBs would slide and still get their head knocked off. However, it’s very uncommon now. QBs didn’t stop sliding, so it’s clear to me that defenders can and do most of the time make an effort to stop. That’s the problem with this play is that the defender made zero effort to pull up or go over Lawrence. You see that every week where a defender will make a last second adjustment. In this case, he went very hard and added the forearm.

I don’t see it but whatever

agree it should be a penalty and agree if it’s repeated the penalty should be escalated but I don’t see it being intentional to hurt him

the other clip with KC or the 49ers where the guy was “going out of bounds” was clearly in bounds

if you don’t want to get hit gtf out of bounds quickly or fall down

 

[She Mate Me]

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned. He is running for the first down line in yellow. A defender trying to keep a runner from getting to that line is going to naturally play faster and more aggressively than in just about any other situation. It's the reason they're on the field.

I really don't have a strong opinion. Buy I can see both sides on this play. And I absolutely hate self righteous pile ons from every talking head around when these kinds of things happen.

 

[onewoof]

The guy has a history and this is a potentially career damaging play.

When is the last time we've seen a KO on a QB sliding? Maybe 15 years ago? 25?

Crazy that every other modern era NFL defensive player knows not to do that, does not do that, has not done that and never will do that.

But this guy was just making a football play and he apologized so all is well. GTFO

 

[Drebin]

Clowned myself by proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he engaged to the tackle before Lawrence even started the slide? OK then.

I don’t care what Ryans said. He has no other option but to condemn it and assume the worst and be overly cautious with his words in that situation.

I also don’t care what he apologized for, didn’t apologize for, what he did last week, what cleats he wears, what God he worships, who he voted for, whether he kneeled for the anthem, or whether he celebrates Nickelback’s entire catalog. None of it has a damn thing to do with the facts of what happened within literal hundreths of a second in the reaction times of two different athletes that led to an unfortunate situation.

I definitely think you should write five more paragraphs about it.

 

[HotMop]

Yeah. It’s tough on defenders. He basically needs to get out of Lawrence’s way which goes against everything you’ve been taught as a LB.

BTW, Lawrence is trending towards a disappointment. Maybe he can get out of JAX and go though a Jared Geoff type revitalization.

Didn't Goff win a Super Bowl? Great comparison.

 

[HotMop]

You can’t judge anything from a still shot. What you can’t see is thar Shaair was moving like 18mph right toward Lawrence and had already started the act of lunging toward him before he started sliding.

Below are the still shots from the actual video. First image is the instant that Shaair begins to lunge forward towards Lawrence. As you can see, Lawrence has not even begun the slide. Both feet are still under him, and he’s still vertical.

2nd image is Shaair’s body already starting to tilt horizontal as the slide begins…he’d already pushed off the ground and propelled his body towards Lawrence. Less than 2 yards of space between them at this point, and Lawrence had still not given himself up yet.

3rd image is just a close up of the 2nd image….which clearly still shows daylight between Lawrence’s knee and the ground at a moment way after Shaair committed to the tackle. So he’s still a live target at this point.

It was a late slide….plain and simple.


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Your post proves that it was a late hit.

 

[HotMop]

Which part?

Everything

 

[Perd Hapley]

Didn't Goff win a Super Bowl? Great comparison.

No?

 

[HotMop]

I don't really see this as playing the race card. Playing the race card would be, "Yall only care because he's white and I am a black Muslim!" He just told the media and everyone else that was coming at him - including racists, etc. - to 17 off because they don't know what's in his heart.

Wrong

 

[HotMop]

No?

You're right, the first time in this thread though.

 

[HuntDawg]

NFL suspends Texans LB Azeez Al-Shaair 3 games for hit that concussed Trevor Lawrence, sparked brawl with Jaguars

Al-Shaair knocked Lawrence out of Sunday's game with a hit that resulted in a head injury.

www.yahoo.com

3 game suspension... says it all.

Should and could have been avoided. Loud statement from the NFL

 

[onewoof]

NFL suspends Texans LB Azeez Al-Shaair 3 games for hit that concussed Trevor Lawrence, sparked brawl with Jaguars

Al-Shaair knocked Lawrence out of Sunday's game with a hit that resulted in a head injury.

www.yahoo.com

3 game suspension... says it all.

Should and could have been avoided. Loud statement from the NFL

this is what I think needed to happen, the NFL does not play with concussions anymore, the risks are so crazy high they have to respond like this.

Azeez plays aggressively past the edge of player safety, he is known for this attack style hitting, that is why the brawl happened the way it did so fast. He is lucky to still have a job IMO. This is a zero tolerance issue, for any player.

“Your lack of sportsmanship and respect for the game of football and all those who play, coach, and enjoy watching it, is troubling and does not reflect the core values of the NFL…Your continued disregard for NFL playing rules puts the health and safety of both you and your opponents in jeopardy and will not be tolerated.”

 

[HuntDawg]

this is what I think needed to happen, the NFL does not play with concussions anymore, the risks are so crazy high they have to respond like this.

Azeez plays past the edge of player safety, he is known for this, that is why the brawl happened the way it did so fast. He is lucky to still have a job IMO. This is a zero tolerance issue, for any player.

“Your lack of sportsmanship and respect for the game of football and all those who play, coach, and enjoy watching it, is troubling and does not reflect the core values of the NFL…Your continued disregard for NFL playing rules puts the health and safety of both you and your opponents in jeopardy and will not be tolerated.”

many many players and people that are on the fore-front of the game are saying there was time to avoid the hit. And i believe there was. I think its tough on a defender, but those are the rules. I think like someone else said, there was a moment in there where a decision had to be made, do i or dont i.. and he chose the do i. Now i dont think he was intentionally trying to hurt anyone, but i think he was trying to deliver a physical blow to the QB and he happened to get hurt.

Without question the NFL got it right. There will be an appeal and the suspension will likely be reduced some. But this is well warrented. Again just the reaction from everyone, before it even got into the viral world... says all that is needed about the hit.... and this length and penality is a loud statement about what the people in the NFL think about it.

 

[Perd Hapley]

many many players and people that are on the fore-front of the game are saying there was time to avoid the hit. And i believe there was. I think its tough on a defender, but those are the rules. I think like someone else said, there was a moment in there where a decision had to be made, do i or dont i.. and he chose the do i. Now i dont think he was intentionally trying to hurt anyone, but i think he was trying to deliver a physical blow to the QB and he happened to get hurt.

Without question the NFL got it right. There will be an appeal and the suspension will likely be reduced some. But this is well warrented. Again just the reaction from everyone, before it even got into the viral world... says all that is needed about the hit.... and this length and penality is a loud statement about what the people in the NFL think about it.

There’s no question there was a “do I or don’t I decision” as far as whether to make an atttempt to hit him. The issue at hand is he made the correct decision with all the info he could process in real time, and he lunged forward to make a tackle. THEN Lawrence started the slide. That was the sequence of events. He lunged first, Lawrence slid second. Proven on film that this is what happened. Was he hit after he was down? Absolutely. Was he hit after he gave himself up? Absolutely. But the decision had to be made by the defender BEFORE either of those things happened. Nobody has provided a single valid explanation as to what the defender should have done differently in that situation….not one that doesn’t involve defying the laws of physics, or simply moving aside and not trying to make a play.

The only argument you can make to the contrary is that he somehow anticipated / predicted that Lawrence was going to slide, then, in advance of that, decided to go low so he could make it look like an accident. But even that would require an extraordinary amount of correct guesswork as to not only where his head was going to be, but when it was going to be there….so that his launch toward him was timed and directed perfectly.

 

[HuntDawg]

There’s no question there was a “do I or don’t I decision” as far as whether to make an atttempt to hit him. The issue at hand is he made the correct decision with all the info he could process in real time, and he lunged forward to make a tackle. THEN Lawrence started the slide. That was the sequence of events. He lunged first, Lawrence slid second. Proven on film that this is what happened. Was he hit after he was down? Absolutely. Was he hit after he gave himself up? Absolutely. But the decision had to be made by the defender BEFORE either of those things happened. Nobody has provided a single valid explanation as to what the defender should have done differently in that situation….not one that doesn’t involve defying the laws of physics, or simply moving aside and not trying to make a play.

The only argument you can make to the contrary is that he somehow anticipated / predicted that Lawrence was going to slide, then, in advance of that, decided to go low so he could make it look like an accident. But even that would require an extraordinary amount of correct guesswork as to not only where his head was going to be, but when it was going to be there….so that his launch toward him was timed and directed perfectly.

yes i know. Ive read your 6 page analysis which includes screenshots.

Ive watched the play. The defender I dont believe wasnt running full speed. He actually "broke down" before launching himself. Then defender still had one foot on the ground when the slide started, time IMO to make an adjustment... And its my belief.. like the belief of nearly everyone involved in the game... that there was ample time in there for the defender to make a better decision than the one he made. Like someone else mentioned.. this isnt something you see every sunday while you do see QBs slide a LOT every sunday. Which means this is very avoidable.

But im not going to go around and around with you on it. Anyone that writes a 6 page paper with video clips that are directly opposed and opposed strongly by players, ex players, the nfl, coaches, and just about anyone else.... if you want to die on that hill... go right ahead.

 

[L4Dawg]

It’s certainly a penalty with the rules now but I don’t think that’s intentionally dirty.

You have a defender running flat out and a mobile qb who decides to slide.

Yes it’s a penalty and a good rule but I don’t think it’s dirty or intentional.

That was a dirty hit 40 years ago. It still is.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Ive watched the play. The defender I dont believe wasnt running full speed. He actually "broke down" before launching himself.

Agreed.

Then defender still had one foot on the ground when the slide started, time IMO to make an adjustment...

And disagree. He had one foot on the ground that he had already used to push forward when the slide began. His body had already moved forward about a half-yard from the point of push-off to the point the slide started.

Even if that foot is still on the ground, its not ATTACHED to the ground. Its like if you try to dunk a basketball. Once one foot leaves the ground and the only thing left touching the ground is the ball of your other foot that you pushed off the ground with, you can’t just decide at that point that you aren’t jumping anymore. You’ve already pushed up. You’re at the mercy of gravity and whatever force you have already exerted as to what your body does.

And its my belief.. like the belief of nearly everyone involved in the game... that there was ample time in there for the defender to make a better decision than the one he made. Like someone else mentioned.. this isnt something you see every sunday while you do see QBs slide a LOT every sunday. Which means this is very avoidable.

Doesn’t matter what your belief is, or the belief is of anyone involved or not involved with the game is. Doesn’t matter what my belief is, either. The film is indisputable. The decision being made before the slide began is indisputable. You can’t “unjump”, period.

But im not going to go around and around with you on it. Anyone that writes a 6 page paper with video clips that are directly opposed and opposed strongly by players, ex players, the nfl, coaches, and just about anyone else.... if you want to die on that hill... go right ahead.

The only hill I’m dying on is that you can’t say the current rule protects QB’s adequately, and you also can’t say Lawrence didn’t make a questionable decision that greatly increase the risk to his health. Regardless of which side of the argument you fall on….the difference between right / wrong, intentional / unintentional, etc. here is a nanosecond of time. If Lawrence slid 0.1 seconds later, he’s still getting destroyed, but it’d be a totally and obviously legal hit by anyone’s definition. He’s gotta be smarter, regardless of what the official rules of the game are that allegedly protect him.

I think there needs to be something like a fair-catch signal for running QB’s (or other players) that allows them to give themselves up a lot more quickly and clearly. Like they reach up and pat the top of their helmet, pat their chest, or something. The slide makes really no sense when you think about it….if they are down where the slide starts then they don’t even get credited with the yards in the slide anyway. It’s also hard to judge in real time to know where to spot the ball.

Otherwise, you can continue to eject, flag, and suspend players who violate the rule….but unless you want literal 2-hand touch out there, the players aren’t going to be able to adhere to the rule 100%.

 

[HuntDawg]

Agreed.


And disagree. He had one foot on the ground that he had already used to push forward when the slide began. His body had already moved forward about a half-yard from the point of push-off to the point the slide started.

Even if that foot is still on the ground, its not ATTACHED to the ground. Its like if you try to dunk a basketball. Once one foot leaves the ground and the only thing left touching the ground is the ball of your other foot that you pushed off the ground with, you can’t just decide at that point that you aren’t jumping anymore. You’ve already pushed up. You’re at the mercy of gravity and whatever force you have already exerted as to what your body does.

Disagree.

Doesn’t matter what your belief is, or the belief is of anyone involved or not involved with the game is. Doesn’t matter what my belief is, either. The film is indisputable. The decision being made before the slide began is indisputable. You can’t “unjump”, period.

Again disagree. The film is very disuputable. When seeing from many different angles

The only hill I’m dying on is that you can’t say the current rule protects QB’s adequately, and you also can’t say Lawrence didn’t make a questionable decision that greatly increase the risk to his health. Regardless of which side of the argument you fall on….the difference between right / wrong, intentional / unintentional, etc. here is a nanosecond of time. If Lawrence slid 0.1 seconds later, he’s still getting destroyed, but it’d be a totally and obviously legal hit by anyone’s definition. He’s gotta be smarter, regardless of what the official rules of the game are that allegedly protect him.

I think there needs to be something like a fair-catch signal for running QB’s (or other players) that allows them to give themselves up a lot more quickly and clearly. Like they reach up and pat the top of their helmet, pat their chest, or something. The slide makes really no sense when you think about it….if they are down where the slide starts then they don’t even get credited with the yards in the slide anyway. It’s also hard to judge in real time to know where to spot the ball.

I'd be ok for some sort of signal for sure.... actually can say that wouldnt be a bad idea

Otherwise, you can continue to eject, flag, and suspend players who violate the rule….but unless you want literal 2-hand touch out there, the players aren’t going to be able to adhere to the rule 100%.

Again.. many games played every sunday. Many slides happen. This one is the worst seen in the last 2-3 years at least. Players arent being suspended for breaking the rule... one player has been suspended.. and suspended multiple gamee.. because he basically gave the middle finger to the rule. The reaction of everyone involved again supports that this wasnt just some every day hit that happens when a QB doesnt slide early enough

But again... enjoy your hill

 

[She Mate Me]

I thought this thread was winding down. I'm rethinking that.

What's the memes thread up to??