Two horrible days for Boudin…

[Maroon Eagle]

Yesterday, Southern Miss eliminated LSU from the NCAA baseball tournament.

Today, Chesa Boudin, San Francisco’s DA, loses the recall election.

 

[missouridawg]

Yesterday, Southern Miss eliminated LSU from the NCAA baseball tournament.

Today, Chesa Boudin, San Francisco’s DA, loses the recall election.

Pretty important day for “progressive” politics

 

[Cooterpoot]

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[Maroon Eagle]

Boudin’s big problem was that he was thinking he was still an anti-establishment public defender (but what do you expect from the son of Weather Underground members who went to prison) instead of being the district attorney.

San Francisco is very much a progressive city but it also has its Establishment. And there are some things progressive establishment folks would like to ensure that Boudin wouldn’t do: make sure people and businesses would live in and invest in it.

And as a showbiz side note, don’t forget: Dirty Harry worked for San Francisco.

 

[Choctaw Dawg]

Good riddance, his parents were literal domestic terrorists that started Weather Underground in the 60s/70s. Not only did they start it but both went to jail for bombing a Brink's truck and having the involvement with killing three people in the robbery. I have no idea why its a literal shock to people that the guy was or would be super soft on crime.

The polls that have come back so far show that it was the mostly minority areas of the city that voted to recall him while the progressive white areas voted to keep him in that position.

 

[paindonthurt]

“do: make sure people and businesses would live in and invest in it.”

I hope everyone would like this for their city. Progressives, conservatives, establishment or not.

But here we are.

 

[paindonthurt]

Maybe they are learning to finally get away from the people who are really holding them back! Real progress!

 

[johnson86-1]

“do: make sure people and businesses would live in and invest in it.”

I hope everyone would like this for their city. Progressives, conservatives, establishment or not.

But here we are.

It is wild to see people like Boudin. I get pretty much every political bent. I think a lot of them are stupid and detached from reality, but I at least understand the goal. I don't get the let it burn types that come from privilege.

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I mean, does this look like the kind of guy that is going to do well if he is successful at making compliance with laws basically optional?

ETA: Well, the picture doesn't show up for whatever reason. But just google the guy. He's not the kind of guy that muggers are going to shy away from.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

It is wild to see people like Boudin. I get pretty much every political bent. I think a lot of them are stupid and detached from reality, but I at least understand the goal. I don't get the let it burn types that come from privilege.

I mean, does this look like the kind of guy that is going to do well if he is successful at making compliance with laws basically optional?

ETA: Well, the picture doesn't show up for whatever reason. But just google the guy. He's not the kind of guy that muggers are going to shy away from.

It's not that hard to figure. They were fed up with the last guy/regime, and he promised them they could have their cake (humane treatment of criminals) and eat it too (safety). He didn't deliver, and they kicked him out.

The story of San Fran is moral hazard and a little of the fallacy of composition. SF has had drug addicts and petty criminals flood in because of the "humane" way they treat them. They forgot you have to discourage undesired behavior, even of you understand why it happened and don't want to punish those people, else you encourage that behavior and it will increase.

 

[johnson86-1]

It's not that hard to figure. They were fed up with the last guy/regime, and he promised them they could have their cake (humane treatment of criminals) and eat it too (safety). He didn't deliver, and they kicked him out.

The story of San Fran is moral hazard and a little of the fallacy of composition. SF has had drug addicts and petty criminals flood in because of the "humane" way they treat them. They forgot you have to discourage undesired behavior, even of you understand why it happened and don't want to punish those people, else you encourage that behavior and it will increase.

No, I get why people voted for him. He said nice things and didn't explain that he was essentially going to decriminalize shoplifting and also go extremely easy on even violent crime. Lots of voters vote for stupid unrealistic stuff. That's why we have communists and socialist politicians.

I mean I don't get him individually (or several other of the prosecutors Soros invested in). Unless he was paid to help turn more parts of SF into a ********, what does he get out of it? If he's successful, he's not going to do well. I guess maybe they understand they won't ever be successful enough that they'll be subjected to the consequences?

 

[Smoked Toag]

No, I get why people voted for him. He said nice things and didn't explain that he was essentially going to decriminalize shoplifting and also go extremely easy on even violent crime. Lots of voters vote for stupid unrealistic stuff. That's why we have communists and socialist politicians.

I mean I don't get him individually (or several other of the prosecutors Soros invested in). Unless he was paid to help turn more parts of SF into a ********, what does he get out of it? If he's successful, he's not going to do well. I guess maybe they understand they won't ever be successful enough that they'll be subjected to the consequences?

That's the million-dollar question for anyone who is soft on crime. It's either ignorance of the risks (i.e. they have an idealized view of the world that simply is not reality), or they are being paid. Or both.

Of course that begs the question of who would pay someone to encourage softness on crime. I personally think some people would rather be lord of the slums rather than live in a safer area without their power. Of course, they'll change their stance the first time they get pistol-whipped on the subway.

 

[missouridawg]

That's the million-dollar question for anyone who is soft on crime. It's either ignorance of the risks (i.e. they have an idealized view of the world that simply is not reality), or they are being paid. Or both.

Of course that begs the question of who would pay someone to encourage softness on crime. I personally think some people would rather be lord of the slums rather than live in a safer area without their power. Of course, they'll change their stance the first time they get pistol-whipped on the subway.

The people who pay for DAs to be soft on crime don't ride the subway. They are insulated from the consequences of their luxury beliefs.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

No, I get why people voted for him. He said nice things and didn't explain that he was essentially going to decriminalize shoplifting and also go extremely easy on even violent crime. Lots of voters vote for stupid unrealistic stuff. That's why we have communists and socialist politicians.

I mean I don't get him individually (or several other of the prosecutors Soros invested in). Unless he was paid to help turn more parts of SF into a ********, what does he get out of it? If he's successful, he's not going to do well. I guess maybe they understand they won't ever be successful enough that they'll be subjected to the consequences?

Yeah, the left is the only side with idiots. [Eyeroll] how's that Wall coming on significantly changing illegal immigration?

I would guess he thinks those that commit petty crime are desperate, and just letting them go rather than making things worse for them via charges and jail will allow them to climb out of their desperation and not commit more crime. It's a view if people being inherently good, and it is by no means limited to the left. It's the same reason righties promote charity to solve deep problems, or self regulation, among other obviously wrong headed beliefs that they cling to.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

Or they get off to having their backs patted in their echo chambers

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Looks like the wealthier folks and Asian community voted for the recall.

A powerful bloc of voters led by Asians and affluent white residents drove support for Tuesday’s recall of District Attorney Chesa Boudin, according to election day results by voting precinct. The anti-recall campaign, by contrast, failed to make inroads beyond the city’s progressive strongholds.

The latest data available shows Proposition H, the ballot measure, passing by about 60-40 citywide. That’s a clear majority, but support was hardly uniform across SF. Neighborhoods where support for the recall exceeded 80% included precincts in the Marina, Visitacion Valley and around Lake Merced. Put together, it tells a story of a recall support coalition between affluent, whiter neighborhoods and Asians from across the economic spectrum.

From the San Francisco Standard: Link.

 

[johnson86-1]

Yeah, the left is the only side with idiots. [Eyeroll] how's that Wall coming on significantly changing illegal immigration?

I would guess he thinks those that commit petty crime are desperate, and just letting them go rather than making things worse for them via charges and jail will allow them to climb out of their desperation and not commit more crime. It's a view if people being inherently good, and it is by no means limited to the left. It's the same reason righties promote charity to solve deep problems, or self regulation, among other obviously wrong headed beliefs that they cling to.

Where did anybody say there were only idiots on teh left?

This is just a particular type of idiot that is beyond anything else I can think of on the left or right. This isn't believing that we are on the right hand side of the lauffer curve or that you can pay for utopia by taxing 1% of the country or that you can erase the deficit by eliminating foreign aid or that the social securitiy "trust fund" actually is a resource for the gov't to draw on or that the world would be better with fewer people or that we will be better off without cheap energy. Those are stupid, but they don't have the obvious and immediate repercussions. And this isn't just overly idealistic thinking as far as what can be accomplished with methods other than incarceration. It's' just "17 it; no more property crime; no going to jail before trial unless you kill somebody, and maybe not even then" and then watching it burn. These are largely the same people who think that rich people and corporations are evil, so it's not like they just think human nature is to be good and laws are the problem in general.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Where did anybody say there were only idiots on teh left?

This is just a particular type of idiot that is beyond anything else I can think of on the left or right. This isn't believing that we are on the right hand side of the lauffer curve or that you can pay for utopia by taxing 1% of the country or that you can erase the deficit by eliminating foreign aid or that the social securitiy "trust fund" actually is a resource for the gov't to draw on or that the world would be better with fewer people or that we will be better off without cheap energy. Those are stupid, but they don't have the obvious and immediate repercussions. And this isn't just overly idealistic thinking as far as what can be accomplished with methods other than incarceration. It's' just "17 it; no more property crime; no going to jail before trial unless you kill somebody, and maybe not even then" and then watching it burn. These are largely the same people who think that rich people and corporations are evil, so it's not like they just think human nature is to be good and laws are the problem in general.

Or maybe that's not an accurate depiction, and you're the idiot for thinking it is?

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Really good article from someone who lived it: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/

 

[missouridawg]

Looks like the wealthier folks and Asian community voted for the recall.



From the San Francisco Standard: Link.

This isn't targeted at you directly, but that link misleads who really ousted him. It was much more of the working class whites than the wealthy whites.

The only district that voted to keep him in was the Mission district, which I believe has been flocked to by wealthy liberal whites over the previous decade. It's majority is currently hispanic.

Every minority-majority district voted him out. This, along with Virginia and the SF School Board Recall earlier this year, is incredibly telling as to where Progressive Politics is heading.

 

[missouridawg]

Really good article from someone who lived it: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/

Read that yesterday. It was a really good article.

Her wife, Bari Weiss, runs the podcast Honestly. And it's been on my rotation for several months now. Really good stuff from her. Bari quit the NYTimes because of how woke it had become. There's a lot of liberals who are tired of the progressive nonsense.

 

[WilCoDawg]

That's the million-dollar question for anyone who is soft on crime. It's either ignorance of the risks (i.e. they have an idealized view of the world that simply is not reality), or they are being paid. Or both.

Of course that begs the question of who would pay someone to encourage softness on crime. I personally think some people would rather be lord of the slums rather than live in a safer area without their power. Of course, they'll change their stance the first time they get pistol-whipped on the subway.

George Soros. That’s who.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Considering how crazy expensive the Bay Area is, most of the the wealthy are working class.

I've mentioned it here before but I have relatives who used to be professors at Stanford and had heard a few times from them how difficult it was for Stanford to attract faculty.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

Yup. Soros funded the DA in Starkville in 2015 victory. And there is a correlation into the petty crime being seen in Starkville too

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/10/15/billionaire-money-used-da-races/73994362/

 

[Smoked Toag]

Yeah, the left is the only side with idiots. [Eyeroll] how's that Wall coming on significantly changing illegal immigration?

I would guess he thinks those that commit petty crime are desperate, and just letting them go rather than making things worse for them via charges and jail will allow them to climb out of their desperation and not commit more crime. It's a view if people being inherently good, and it is by no means limited to the left. It's the same reason righties promote charity to solve deep problems, or self regulation, among other obviously wrong headed beliefs that they cling to.

I don't know, I think it kinda is. Righties promote charities to virtue signal and have parties. Most conservative people know that it's a 17'ed up world, that's why they want guns/police/etc. to protect themselves. I think what the right believes about people being "inherently good", is the idea that people in this country can get a job and make money, thus bettering themselves. I do happen to believe that way myself. Matter of fact, I think it's one of the fundamental differences in the left and right.

I mean, I complain about gas prices, groceries, etc., but I could go get a second job instead of coaching baseball, and that problem goes away.

 

[paindonthurt]

It might not be limited to the left but it’s a lot more prevalent on the left and they are doing more damage because of it.

People are actually inherently bad. It’s human nature to be lazy and take the easy way. Give people that option and they will do it. And they will suffer.

 

[paindonthurt]

Thank god

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Good article.

The paragraph I've got in quotes at the bottom much summarizes why I am not a fan of extreme idealists.

Many of them promote Nirvana Fallacies and root for the perfect world or the perfect answer and the world doesn't work that way.

All you need is a good workable solution that's based in reality.

Residents had hoped Boudin would reform the criminal-justice system and treat low-level offenders more humanely. Instead, critics argued that his policies victimized victims, allowed criminals to go free to reoffend, and did nothing to help the city’s most vulnerable. To understand just how noteworthy Boudin’s defenestration is, please keep in mind that San Francisco has only a tiny number of Republicans. This fight is about leftists versus liberals. It’s about idealists who think a perfect world is within reach—it’ll only take a little more time, a little more commitment, a little more funding, forever—and those who are fed up.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Read that yesterday. It was a really good article.

Her wife, Bari Weiss, runs the podcast Honestly. And it's been on my rotation for several months now. Really good stuff from her. Bari quit the NYTimes because of how woke it had become. There's a lot of liberals who are tired of the progressive nonsense.

I thought that Atlantic article seemed off, too quick to tar an entire side with what some rando said at a school board meeting for example, and it's perfectly explained by being written by the wife of Bari Weiss.

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31...failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

 

[johnson86-1]

It might not be limited to the left but it’s a lot more prevalent on the left and they are doing more damage because of it.

People are actually inherently bad. It’s human nature to be lazy and take the easy way. Give people that option and they will do it. And they will suffer.

People are imperfect to varying degrees. They aren't inherently bad. The whole Hobbesian view to me seems to be obviously wrong, or at least exaggerated. But certainly enough people are bad enough that you do need disincentives to prevent the worst people from indulging in their worst impulses.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

I don't know, I think it kinda is. Righties promote charities to virtue signal and have parties. Most conservative people know that it's a 17'ed up world, that's why they want guns/police/etc. to protect themselves. I think what the right believes about people being "inherently good", is the idea that people in this country can get a job and make money, thus bettering themselves. I do happen to believe that way myself. Matter of fact, I think it's one of the fundamental differences in the left and right.

I mean, I complain about gas prices, groceries, etc., but I could go get a second job instead of coaching baseball, and that problem goes away.

Well, on the right it's more of THOSE people are inherently bad, MY people are inherently good. Those people are lazy, but my people will step up and feed them by charity, thus we don't need welfare (my money going to those people). Those people need strict policing, but my people (corps, cops, etc) can self-regulate. (Yes, race plays into this, but it's hardly just that. Racism can't explain persistent resistance to business regulation. Religion too, those people aren't saved so aren't inherently good, my people are saved so they're inherently good.)

Eta: people are inherently good, so let them decide how to spend welfare money, they'll make better decisions than the govt.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Idealism certainly has it's flaws. Like any weakness there is a back sided strength. If everyone were pragmatic like me, we'd have fewer discoveries and less progress because we'd stick more to the known and not try things that "don't work". That being said, having a prosecutor who isn't interested in prosecuting law breakers is a big issue. Jackson suffers, only on a smaller scale, in much the same way, albeit not an openly stated position, just an unfortunate reality. <-I think I hate the construct of that last sentence but I'm not changing it...

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Interesting take. It is in conflict with a Christian worldview, which is fine, but when I look around at the atrocities in the world it certainly seems to me that we have a huge capacity to do bad and have to be trained to do good. Of course settling on a solid definition of bad/good is not without its own issues. Regardless, I had to teach my kids not to be selfish, which included: not lying, not taking things that weren't theirs, sharing things that were theirs, not hurting others to get what they want, etc. They came into this world dead set on doing all the bad things and had to learn to be good.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I didn't know anything about her or her relationships, just thought it was interesting take from a long time local.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Idealism certainly has it's flaws. Like any weakness there is a back sided strength. If everyone were pragmatic like me, we'd have fewer discoveries and less progress because we'd stick more to the known and not try things that "don't work". That being said, having a prosecutor who isn't interested in prosecuting law breakers is a big issue. Jackson suffers, only on a smaller scale, in much the same way, albeit not an openly stated position, just an unfortunate reality. <-I think I hate the construct of that last sentence but I'm not changing it...

I think the biggest problem the would-be reformers have is there's no real alternative to our crappy prison system. It's right to say it's dumb to send petty criminals to gang-run prison hellholes, but Boidin found out what else are you gonna do?

 

[missouridawg]

I thought that Atlantic article seemed off, too quick to tar an entire side with what some rando said at a school board meeting for example, and it's perfectly explained by being written by the wife of Bari Weiss.

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31...failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

I'm glad you linked that article. I'm actually a fan of both Greenwald and Weiss.

But this comment:

too quick to tar an entire side with what some rando said at a school board meeting for example

is precisely why the progressive agenda should be ferried out to Alcatraz. If you can't see what happened in that 7 hour school board meeting, in which a gay white man was discriminated against because he was white, then you simply cannot be helped.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Well, on the right it's more of THOSE people are inherently bad, MY people are inherently good. Those people are lazy, but my people will step up and feed them by charity, thus we don't need welfare (my money going to those people). Those people need strict policing, but my people (corps, cops, etc) can self-regulate. (Yes, race plays into this, but it's hardly just that. Racism can't explain persistent resistance to business regulation. Religion too, those people aren't saved so aren't inherently good, my people are saved so they're inherently good.)

Eta: people are inherently good, so let them decide how to spend welfare money, they'll make better decisions than the govt.

What can I say, man, I just totally disagree when it comes to the left. I don't disagree with all you say regarding the right, I'll say that. But one side can't be invincible. I think jealousy/envy are one big tenant/motivator of the left.

 

[missouridawg]

I think the biggest problem the would-be reformers have is there's no real alternative to our crappy prison system. It's right to say it's dumb to send petty criminals to gang-run prison hellholes, but Boidin found out what else are you gonna do?

Or maybe that threat of sending petty criminals to gang-run prison hellholes could actually be used to, I don't know, curb petty criminals from robbing every Walgreens in the metroplex

ETA: Updated link and it should be working

 

[Smoked Toag]

Interesting take. It is in conflict with a Christian worldview, which is fine, but when I look around at the atrocities in the world it certainly seems to me that we have a huge capacity to do bad and have to be trained to do good. Of course settling on a solid definition of bad/good is not without its own issues. Regardless, I had to teach my kids not to be selfish, which included: not lying, not taking things that weren't theirs, sharing things that were theirs, not hurting others to get what they want, etc. They came into this world dead set on doing all the bad things and had to learn to be good.

Agree, only people born and raised in the first world can have the viewpoint that people aren't inherently bad. We really, really are. And it doesn't take long to stoke that chaos, even in the first world. Exhibit A - COVID.

But it gets a hell of a lot worse than that. Quickly.

 

[Negative Waves]

What can I say, man, I just totally disagree when it comes to the left. I don't disagree with all you say regarding the right, I'll say that. But one side can't be invincible. I think jealousy/envy are one big tenant/motivator of the left.

Pride is the sin of the right; envy and covetousness are the sins of the left. The right is known for saying, "I worked hard and pulled myself up" while the left says, "you won life's lottery" (I think that's a Dick Gephardt quote). Unfortunately, the heart of man is exceedingly wicked according to the biblical view. Man's history was generally violent, brutish, and short. We have lived in a borderline utopia the past 50 years in the West, but it's probably about to end due to our selfish nature.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

I'm not sure exactly where this fits in this thread, I just know it does somewhere:

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