Is he as good as a lot of the "sheep" at porn fro jorts pages would lead one to believe or is it hyping up the MS native? Hopefully this is the source for honest insight and well thought answers.
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Is he as good as a lot of the "sheep" at porn fro jorts pages would lead one to believe or is it hyping up the MS native? Hopefully this is the source for honest insight and well thought answers.
In my opinion, no. Think about it- he isn't beating out Carroll, so that should tell you something. Don't get me wrong, I like Carroll, but if Lee was All-World, he should be able to beat him out as a junior.
If you read gene's or the junction boards you would think that Lee was already the starter and should have gone to media days rather than Carroll. I don't know where these people are coming up with this stuff. Croom has basically said that Lee is doing great and should get some plays but Carroll is hands down the starter. I know the old saying that the 2nd string QB is always the most popular QB, but I really don't understand it in this case. Carroll led us to 8 wins including a bowl victory last season as a true freshman, while his shoulder was hurt. Lee was in JUCO. I'm more interested in what Relf brings to the table as a backup.
I keep hearing over and over from more places...dont be surprised if he isn't starting before the season is over....and yes i know that isnt much of a stretch with our qb injury history..but I mean by beating out wes.
his arm is seriously that much better, he was able to come in and learn the playbook before the spring was even started (buttt..i thought it took 2 years??)
It will all depend on how the offense goes.. its all but certain, he will get a decent amount of playing time..as each has his own strengths in the system,
especially if we really do open the offense up this season.
All i know is he has a gun of an arm, and it is accurate..and can bring fingers if the receiver isn't ready.
his arm is seriously that much better, he was able to come in and learn the playbook before the spring was even started (buttt..i thought it took 2 years??)
It will all depend on how the offense goes.. its all but certain, he will get a decent amount of playing time..as each has his own strengths in the system,
especially if we really do open the offense up this season.
All i know is he has a gun of an arm, and it is accurate..and can bring fingers if the receiver isn't ready.
I would say that when it comes to natural talent Tyson is probably third best qb on the team (Not too sure about Relf, though). However, the guy is an absolute work horse and an incredibly intelligent person. If it is physically possible for the guy to do it then it will happen. He will be a good fit too, the guy isnt gonna try to win games himself and he isnt gonna throw it up for grabs. I should add at this point that he is a hometown boy for me (Columbus) so I am very biased.
lannsd said:
I am fully prepared, and my hope is that Carroll doesn't get hurt so we don't have to rely on either of the backups.
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He did well in high school, playing in Region 1-5A, which is without a doubt the toughest region in the state. He did well at the JUCO level, and while it's not exactly top competition, the numbers he put up were mighty impressive. I saw a few of his games while he was in high school, but didn't really play against him because he was a few years younger than me. I haven't seen him play in person in a while, but he's a smart guy, level-headed, driven, and obviously talented. If you ask me, I'd say he'll only ride the pine the entire year if something drastic changes in his effort or ability. Maybe his size is a factor, but it hasn't slowed him down at all yet. Otherwise, I fully expect to see him becoming a part of the offense as the season goes on.
...there are some people with credibility who claim he will be starting by the 3rd or 4th game. I am NOT one of them. They point to the following:
1. Stronger, more accurate arm than Wes.(Several sources)
2. Incredibly intelligent, with 4.0 average. (Documented)
3. People claim that he carried the playbook around with him wherever he went. (Never saw this)
4. Over 62% completion percentage in Spring scrimmages, compared to about 55% for Wes.
5. Rockey says he has a quicker release than Wes.
6. Rockey says he is a better runner than Wes.
Now, I only saw 2 scrimmages, but he looked totally in command of the team in both of them. However, he is listed at 5-11 190, and I doubt he is any more than 5-10. I think Wes will start as long as we win, then may get some starts ala Henig, even if we lose.
1. Stronger, more accurate arm than Wes.(Several sources)
2. Incredibly intelligent, with 4.0 average. (Documented)
3. People claim that he carried the playbook around with him wherever he went. (Never saw this)
4. Over 62% completion percentage in Spring scrimmages, compared to about 55% for Wes.
5. Rockey says he has a quicker release than Wes.
6. Rockey says he is a better runner than Wes.
Now, I only saw 2 scrimmages, but he looked totally in command of the team in both of them. However, he is listed at 5-11 190, and I doubt he is any more than 5-10. I think Wes will start as long as we win, then may get some starts ala Henig, even if we lose.
I fully expect to see him during the first game. From what Croom has said lately, he expects Lee to see time. I think we'll either be up enough at La Tech for Lee to get in, or our offense won't be going well and he'll get a series or two.
I don't remember Croom saying anything about playing 2 quarterbacks this time last year when we were in a somewhat similar situation. Difference is that Carroll (unlike Henig) is a proven winner, as Croom acknowledged at media days, and Riddell was a scholorship QB from across the country, while Lee is a former walk-on. I think that's pretty good indication we can anticipate Lee playing a relatively significant role.
So now random message board posters are "people with credibility".
This is the only part of your post that matters, or is 100% factual. Some of your "list" is factual, but some of it is message board BS. You can put the word "sources" behind those things if you want to but that doesn't make them correct.
I only saw him play in CSS in the "enhanced version" of the spring game, and he didn't look very good to me. Now, I know you can't go on just one game, but still.
Plus, this guy didn't have ANY offers from anyone. Heck, at least Carroll had one from Duke.
And the fact that Croom brought Carroll to media days really should put this to rest. The only way Lee starts by games three and four are:
Wes is hurt- most likely scenario.
Wes suddenly becomes Henig 2.0 in typical So. regression of MSU QB's- possible, but not likely and it's not likely that Croom will pull him until the Arkansas game.
Lee starts as the QB for us in a running formation similar to the Wild Hog and then comes out of the game and Carroll takes over for him..- Not likely</p>
Plus, this guy didn't have ANY offers from anyone. Heck, at least Carroll had one from Duke.
And the fact that Croom brought Carroll to media days really should put this to rest. The only way Lee starts by games three and four are:
Wes is hurt- most likely scenario.
Wes suddenly becomes Henig 2.0 in typical So. regression of MSU QB's- possible, but not likely and it's not likely that Croom will pull him until the Arkansas game.
Lee starts as the QB for us in a running formation similar to the Wild Hog and then comes out of the game and Carroll takes over for him..- Not likely</p>
Dawg in a pile said:
...are a Hell of a lot more than message board posters. I told you what Coach Felker said to my face. I told you what some of our own football players say. I told you what one respected web site manager said. These aren't made up. These are what actual people said to my face. There are some people on this site who heard some of the same things from the same people. Believe what you want, but these comments have nothing to do with anything I read on a message board. </p>
because the LAST thing we need is for our team to be split into Carroll's guys and Lee's guys- I've seen this happen before, circa 2001 when a lot of the players supposedly wanted Fant to start over Madkin because they felt like he was better, and it didn't happen until Wayne got hurt and then Fant did pretty well and the team played a lot harder with him as the QB. Of course, we ended up with a turd of a season.
At any rate, no matter how reliable your sources are, unless one of them is Croom, it's all going to be moot. I can tell you right now without talking to any players, anyone in the know, or any coaches that Carroll is going to be the starter this season, and in all honesty he should be. He really hasn't done anything (yet) to get benched and he has SEC experience. Hell, I can't remember the last MSU QB to have more TD's than INT's before Carroll, although it probably was Madkin. At any rate, my point is Croom is ultimately going to make the final decision in this matter, and based on the fact that he brought Carroll to media days and he's listed as the starter on the depth chart, and it's not going to matter if the entire team and coaching staff wants Lee to start. Not to mention that the only reason he benched Henig was because of his injuries, and while it's certainly possible, I can't imagine Carroll playing worse than 1 TD to 9 INT's.
I just hope that our football team doesn't do things to sabotage Carroll so that they can "get their boy" in there. I hope that **** went the way of JWS five years ago.</p>
At any rate, no matter how reliable your sources are, unless one of them is Croom, it's all going to be moot. I can tell you right now without talking to any players, anyone in the know, or any coaches that Carroll is going to be the starter this season, and in all honesty he should be. He really hasn't done anything (yet) to get benched and he has SEC experience. Hell, I can't remember the last MSU QB to have more TD's than INT's before Carroll, although it probably was Madkin. At any rate, my point is Croom is ultimately going to make the final decision in this matter, and based on the fact that he brought Carroll to media days and he's listed as the starter on the depth chart, and it's not going to matter if the entire team and coaching staff wants Lee to start. Not to mention that the only reason he benched Henig was because of his injuries, and while it's certainly possible, I can't imagine Carroll playing worse than 1 TD to 9 INT's.
I just hope that our football team doesn't do things to sabotage Carroll so that they can "get their boy" in there. I hope that **** went the way of JWS five years ago.</p>
I think Wesley deserves to start. But, if Tyson can win, then let him play. Just play the guy that gives us the best chance to win.
I think both guys will be good this year. I think the competition will make both of them better.
I think both guys will be good this year. I think the competition will make both of them better.
I don't think that Croom really gave Riddell a fair chance. First of all, it seemed like the only reason we went after him was because Rutland was hurt and then you have the DUI.
Next thing you know he is leading us on TD drives "but made the wrong read" on a TD pass. I'm sure that Brett Favre never made a wrong read in his time a Green Bay when he is throwing the ball under handed to someone for a first down.
But again, that underscores my point. It doesn't really matter if Lee really is better because Carroll is going to start. He's Croom's boy now that Henig is gone.
Next thing you know he is leading us on TD drives "but made the wrong read" on a TD pass. I'm sure that Brett Favre never made a wrong read in his time a Green Bay when he is throwing the ball under handed to someone for a first down.
But again, that underscores my point. It doesn't really matter if Lee really is better because Carroll is going to start. He's Croom's boy now that Henig is gone.
...even Veasey has said we will probably operate a 2 QB system. I agree with you that Wes has earned the starting job, and will keep it barring injury or a bad start to the season. I am simply reporting what I have heard. Wes will start, and Lee will also play. In certain situations, so will Relf.
Here's what I have been told by a wide receiver on the team:
Wes Carroll
* leader and unquestioned starter
* earned the right to lead this team with his play as a true freshman
* team respects him and is 100% behind him
* serviceable qb that will make limited mistakes and can also make some big plays
Tyson Lee
* knows his role and is a great team player
* brings leadership, enthusiam, and supports his teammates
* does have a strong and accurate arm
Tyson is a great addition to our team and provides us a least some depth at the qb position
Wes Carroll
* leader and unquestioned starter
* earned the right to lead this team with his play as a true freshman
* team respects him and is 100% behind him
* serviceable qb that will make limited mistakes and can also make some big plays
Tyson Lee
* knows his role and is a great team player
* brings leadership, enthusiam, and supports his teammates
* does have a strong and accurate arm
Tyson is a great addition to our team and provides us a least some depth at the qb position
Croom said that they did not recruit Lee out of high school strictly on his size. Same for jc. He said that when practice started in the spring Lee through one pass and grew three inches. He said that he brings alot to the team in terms of his ability to throw and his leadership.
Todd4State said:
I don't think you can really say Croom never gave Riddell a fair chance. Riddell played basically the whole game against S.C. until he got hurt. It wasn't like Carroll was getting every single snap before Riddell got hurt.
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Your Dawgness said:
</p>We would have a couple of decent drives, and then inexplicably play the back-up QB, and go three and out. Then our defense would have to go right back on the field without getting any kind of rest.
Lee is for real, people who don't think he's a possible starter must not have seen him play. The ONLY reason he wasn't heavily recruited was b/c of his height, he's produced everywhere he's been.
There wouldn' be talk about him splitting time if Croom didn't think he could possibly overtake the job. </p>
There wouldn' be talk about him splitting time if Croom didn't think he could possibly overtake the job. </p>
but who knows, I've been wrong before... I just don't see it.. I'm still very impressed with what he did last year as a freshman..
when I read that it was Wes that convinced Croom to let him run the option on our last TD, I became convinced this guy could have a very solid 3 yrs ahead of him...
a true freshman convincing a coach with 17 yrs of NFL experience in the final moments of a bowl game to let him call the plays?
at any rate, at least for the first time in a long time we have a reason to be cautiously optimistic about QB production this year.. the competition will bring out the best in both and let's just hope it works out best for the team</p>
when I read that it was Wes that convinced Croom to let him run the option on our last TD, I became convinced this guy could have a very solid 3 yrs ahead of him...
a true freshman convincing a coach with 17 yrs of NFL experience in the final moments of a bowl game to let him call the plays?
at any rate, at least for the first time in a long time we have a reason to be cautiously optimistic about QB production this year.. the competition will bring out the best in both and let's just hope it works out best for the team</p>
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