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You brought up Tanner (baseball) and Staley (WBB). Then compared them Muschamp and Beamer.
I was responding to your post not your posting history. Beamer is a quality hire. I am not sure how you can look at the record of Paris and being supportive of that hire and not Beamer.
I agree with the other guy. We have become pathetic in our ravenous appetite for scraps. This program is behind schedule at six wins. This program is behind schedule at seven wins. This program is behind schedule if we go to UPC and lose after beating them up there two years ago. This program is behind schedule if a nothing bowl is all we can "command" this far into the Beamer regime. It's not going to get any easier. Sooner or later, a nine-game conference schedule is coming. Some of y'all need to embrace reality. We just beat an Oklahoma team that is generationally terrible. And don't trot out what we "almost" did, either. Every loser "almost" does stuff. Win eight, beat UPC, then come see me.
Behind who’s scheduled?
The best coach in our history (Spurrier) took 6 years to get to 9 wins in a less competitive SEC. It is astounding to me that we put higher expectations on Beamer than what Spurrier was able to accomplish.
I also never used almost. I asked when was the last time we had the leads in the 4th quarter against LSU and Alabama with a chance to win. They both count as loses no matter how you look at it. But there is more than just the loss itself that one can glean insight from.
For those that are strictly W/L guys, well it’s tough for you to see progress when it is played out in front of you and nothing anyone says will change that dogmatic mindset.
It’s easier to say that you don’t like Beamer than to drag everyone else through the mud. There are too many games left to be saying how bad we are or that so and so isn’t getting it done.
Puh-leeze don't be one of those people who compares Beamer or his potential to Spurrier and his potential - compares a man who could flat-out coach one side of the ball to a special teams guy, compares a guy who won league championships at TWO different schools, plus a national championship, gave us our best run of football and beat UPC five straight times, to a guy that never had a head-coaching job until now. You and others who do that marginalize yourselves. I already told you, win eight, beat UPC. Do that or better multiple years, PROVE you've gotten your shoulders AND your @$$ around the corner, and THEN come see me.
Right. If we only win two more games and finish with 6 wins, that's going to be a really disappointing end to the season. But we don't know how things are going to play out. We could win 4 of those and finish with a really strong (for Carolina) season.
To act like South Carolina football "should" be at 8 wins at this point in Beamer's tenure just ignores history as well. South Carolina has won 8 or more games in a season 14 (FOURTEEN) times in school history. That's in 116 full seasons of football. Beamer, by the way, has one of those 8 win seasons. For comparison's sake, Clemson has won at least 8 games in 13 consecutive seasons and will hit 14 this year.
A program like South Carolina isn't going to be built into a competent, competitive program overnight. And even if you point to the transfer portal as a way to build quickly, that method remains to be seen if it's a sustainable.
Pointing to improved on-field performances in big games against quality opposition isn't claiming a moral victory. It is, however, acknowledging reality that baby steps are required and points to reasons for optimism for the future.
Or I guess we could just fire Beamer after this year because he's "behind schedule" and start over.
All you've established is that we ain't much. Nice job.
The difference between Paris and Beamer is that Paris had a track record of success as a Head Coach prior to his hire. Beamer and Muschamp did NOT. Tanner and Staley had a track record of success as Head Coaches prior to their hires, unlike Beamer and Muschamp. Does that mean I do not support and want Beamer to win? Of course not.You brought up Tanner (baseball) and Staley (WBB). Then compared them Muschamp and Beamer.
I was responding to your post not your posting history. Beamer is a quality hire. I am not sure how you can look at the record of Paris and being supportive of that hire and not Beamer.
It's not hard to do. We have a long history of consistent mediocrity. Expecting any coach to pull us out of that mire in less than 4 seasons doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Again, not saying every coach should be given a lifetime contract, results be damned. But if a coach is making strides in recruiting and there are positive improvements on the field, then he should be given time to get things turned around.
Paris' alleged track record of success was 3 winning seasons at Chattanooga and one tournament appearance on a hail mary buzzer beater against Furman. He had a losing conference record and had a .547 overall winning percentage. That's more than Beamer, of course, but let's not act like Paris was some recognized basketball mastermind. I doubt any Gamecock fans had ever even heard of him prior to that win over Furman.
Paris' Chattannoga overall records and conference records ands/or standing improved EVERY YEAR he was Head Coach at Chattanooga, Do you want to name one school that was interested in hiring Beamer as a Head Coach prior to his hiring by South Carolina. Let's not act like we had to beat off other suitors to make Beamer a first-time Head Coach in the toughest football conference in the nation.
Spurrier had proven prior to coming to South Carolina he had the ability to make South Carolina nationally relevant. This season, with the 3rd most seniors in the nation, is Beamer's chance. I dread to think what might be in store for us after losing so many seniors, not to mention the possibility of losing DC Clayton White, the only coach on our staff who has produced multiple highly ranked units during his career.
How do you think that Tanner, Staley, and Paris (whose track record was a Hail Mary shot away from not being our coach) developed a track record?
We have had “proven track record” coaches that didn’t pan out so well. Fogler, Odom, Woods, Holbrook, Kingston, Martin, etc…
Do you realize that Beamers record at SC is already better than Lou Holtz after 4 full seasons? Beamer still has 5 or 6 more games in his 4th season.
An 0-11 season will definitely skew a coach's record.
I don't recall other schools beating down Chattanooga's door to hire Paris, either.
In year 4 a coach is what he is and what he is going to be. Don't point to Spurrier either. Spurrier caught recruiting lightning in a bottle for a couple years and rode a talented roster to three really good seasons then regressed to where he was before those three seasons before quitting mid season in what is one of the most embarrassing things to happen to a football program. Spurrier lost 5 or more games in every season but the three good seasons. The reality was; Spurrier was a 7 or 8 win coach at Carolina who had a short burst of greater success. That was what he was in year 4.
Beamer is a 6 win coach, three or four wins are spotted each season with cupcakes and usually Vandy, so he is going to win a couple competitive games each year and pick up an upset every now and then to get to 7 wins. He will have some unicorn seasons like 2022 but 6 or 7 wins is going to be the norm. He is a nice guy and a cheerleader type and I think he "wants to be here", which is apparently very important to a lot of people but I don't think he's ever going to make Carolina football relevant in the conference or nationally.
Apparently, a large portion of the Carolina fan base is OK with that.
And what am I saying that is inaccurate? NOTHING. Everything I said is factual. You know that and, I know that.
Let's be clear on Paris: what stood out is that his Chattanooga teams overall record and either conference record and/or standing improved EVERY season. That's why I said last week I was not concerned about being picked to finish 11th in the SEC this season.
Again: I support Beamer and am pulling for him. That does not change that everything I have said is accurate.
Beamer has the 3rd most seniors in the nation. If he is going to have a big season, this is the year to have it. I dread to see what happens next season losing all those seniors along with possibly DC Clayton White, who has produced better than any other coach on our staff. One thing that has stood out regarding Beamer's teams is the "up and down" nature of his program. I hope we get some positive consistency before long.
Just wait. Losing all those seniors won't matter at all. Beamer will go in the portal and fill the roster with 4 and 5 star talent.
He better pick up his recruiting. He is only 10th among high school recruits, currently, in the 16-school SEC.
I predict recruiting will end up where it usually does, somewhere between 15th and 20th nationally and 10th to 12th in the conference.
Well if you're going to throw out Spurrier's best three seasons as "lightning in a bottle," then no coach has ever made Carolina football relevant nationally.
Lightning in a bottle is typically used to talk about one good season. A good example would be Gene Chizik's national championship season at Auburn. A single season far better than anything else he'd ever done prior or did again.
Between 2011 and 2013, South Carolina football was one of the best programs in the nation. That success was built on the success of 2010, which apparently doesn't count because Carolina lost 5 games.
As I said in an earlier post, South Carolina football winning 8 games in a season is extremely rare. If a coach can accomplish that on a regular basis here, he's elevated the program beyond anything it's experienced outside of the golden years of 2011, 2012, and 2013.
I remember when winning 8 games in 11-game schedules here was akin to climbing Mt Everest. Jim Carlen accomplished that twice. Then Holderman fired him. smh
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