UNLVs QB not playing the rest of the season so he can redshirt

[Dawgzilla2]

In a twisted way, I'm enjoying all of this chaos. It should force major changes that will be better for most of the people involved. It will be a difficult process. And I say it will only be better for most people involved, because very few of the affected parties have their interests aligned.

And in another twisted way, I'm a little relieved that we have already hit bottom and don't have to worry about getting further screwed by the chaos.

 

[dorndawg]

Dont know if it was said here.. but its being reported by the UNLV rumor mill that ALL of the NIL promises were paid in full. But after the 3 game start, his family hired an agent. He then went to the head coach, demanded more money due to his play... was told that was impossible.. he then quit and redshirted.

Agent supposedly told family that he could earn more money next year than he was getting this season from UNLV.

If we're treating college football like any other business, this is a reasonable path to take. Granted, it might not be what you might do, and it might anger you if you're on the other end of it, but certainly within bounds. People take a job and work there for a minute then go take another one for more money every day.

That college football isn't wasn't like any other business, made it interesting to many of us.

 

[dorndawg]

In a twisted way, I'm enjoying all of this chaos. It should force major changes that will be better for most of the people involved. It will be a difficult process. And I say it will only be better for most people involved, because very few of the affected parties have their interests aligned.

And in another twisted way, I'm a little relieved that we have already hit bottom and don't have to worry about getting further screwed by the chaos.

I wish I shared your optimism, but my sense is the enshittification will continue full steam ahead.

 

[HuntDawg]

If we're treating college football like any other business, this is a reasonable path to take. Granted, it might not be what you might do, and it might anger you if you're on the other end of it, but certainly within bounds. People take a job and work there for a minute then go take another one for more money every day.

That college football isn't wasn't like any other business, made it interesting to many of us.

From a kid that will likely never even get a sniff in the NFL. He's got one shot at a good pay day... not saying I agree with him, but i can see the line of thinking.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

From a kid that will likely never even get a sniff in the NFL. He's got one shot at a good pay day... not saying I agree with him, but i can see the line of thinking.

IDK, seems like the preferred trend is to just sue UNLV to pay him what he's worth**

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Got us a little he said she said going on.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Dude.

Think.

Occam’s Razor.

What’s more likely to happen?

Someone not being paid the way he thought he was — something seen a LOT in the job world as we both know— or tampering?

Not being paid like he was promised makes a lot of sense considering the comment about “discussions.”

Edit to add: Graduate student QB transfer from Holy Cross. Below a 50 percent completion rate this season and averaging a little over 100 yards passing per game does not sound like someone who would be a prospect.

Or…. Maybe tampering and the kid hired agent/rep..

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Or…. Maybe tampering and the kid hired agent/rep..

Still doesn’t have to be and…

Could be that the QB wanted to change the setup…

We’ll find out.

My immediate reading is that I think he’s an unlikely prospect to be poached by someplace else.

He’s a grad student who’s a running QB in a game that’s become more pass happy.

If I’m UNLV, my response is this…

 

[TNDawg1]

Good luck with that.

A co-worker, whose Son plays in the acc, said when it gets close to portal time, his son gets unsolicited calls from other schools and/or their collectives. Point being, I think more than half the players would get a show cause.

Make it easier on players moving down in competition rather than up. That would cut your case load tremendously. There are brighter minds to grapple with NIL but we need those folks to get in a room and at least take some air out of the balloon.

 

[pseudonym]

Personally, I think all Ole Miss scholarship players deserve a $10k bonus for each week they are in the top 10. They should refuse to play until they get paid each week.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Still doesn’t have to be and…

Could be that the QB wanted to change the setup…

We’ll find out.

My immediate reading is that I think he’s an unlikely prospect to be poached by someplace else.

He’s a grad student who’s a running QB in a game that’s become more pass happy.

If I’m UNLV, my response is this…

His first mistake is not having anything in writing.

 

[pseudonym]

"We left there understanding that we were going to get a certain dollar amount for Matt to come there on the NIL deal, not a blowout number, but a reasonable, fair number," Bob Sluka said, adding that Matthew later received more than 25 NIL offers from other schools, including Big Ten and SEC teams, that were "four, five times the amount money we were willing to take from UNLV."

I call BS. So we're supposed to believe the guy who is leaving the team after three games over money turned down half a mil to play in the SEC?

I think this guy will struggle to find a good landing spot next year.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Don’t disagree, but he also made a promise to the university to play football. If he’s healthy and refusing, I’d pull his scholarship, stop all forms of NIL payments, and consider a request for reimbursements if I’m UNLV.

Yes time to stop treating players like kids. They want to be adults then fine. Everything the university gives you because you go here is now rescinded. Room board tuition gone. No scholarship. It's pulled. You owe us if you stay in school this semester. Go to the streets.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

kids and parents are fully aware of the 4 game/redshirt rule. Players that don't get what they are promised (playing time and money) and that don't play much, are asking for redshirts to extend their shelf life and nil opportunities.

Again another unattended consequence of all this. However in this particular case, I don't blame the guy if he isn't getting what he was promised.

That's life though. Most athletes are told xyz in recruiting. Doesn't always add up.

 

[patdog]

I call BS.

I think this guy will struggle to find a good landing spot next year.

I also call BS on him only being paid $3,000 of $100,000 promised to him. They may or may not have paid him everything promised, but I find it hard to believe the discrepancy would be that big.

 

[Seinfeld]

That's life though. Most athletes are told xyz in recruiting. Doesn't always add up.

Which also happens to be one of the reasons that I think we’re blessed to have Charlie, a certified attorney, running our NIL.

There is no telling how many people that probably aren’t even qualified to run their own household are spearheading NIl efforts elsewhere

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Which also happens to be one of the reasons that I think we’re blessed to have Charlie, a certified attorney, running our NIL.

There is no telling how many people that probably aren’t even qualified to run their own household are spearheading NIl efforts elsewhere

Everything runs on paperwork.

That QB should have asked for that so-called verbal commitment to be done in writing.

Edit to add: The more I hear about this— the more I think it’s just a kid trying to take advantage of a school after making an agreement.

 

[HuntDawg]

I call BS. So we're supposed to believe the guy who is leaving the team after three games over money turned down half a mil to play in the SEC?

I think this guy will struggle to find a good landing spot next year.

coaches get paid millions to win. QB being the main positions this is tied too. If a coach out there thinks he's the guy that can get him to the next contract. He'll find a landing spot.

dont get me wrong. i dont think he's about to land at Georgia. But guys with less resumes at the position have found spots. Plus next season he will have to play it out. he wont have the ability to quit mid-season.

 

[HuntDawg]

Everything runs on paperwork.

That QB should have asked for that so-called verbal commitment to be done in writing.

Edit to add: The more I hear about this— the more I think it’s just a kid trying to take advantage of a school after making an agreement.

i agree with the UNLV rumor mill. Kid came out hot, won some games, agent got in their ear, told family/him that he should and could be making more. Kid goes and asks for a raise, doesnt get it, quits to try to get the payday he wants next season.

 

[Dawgg]

That's life though. Most athletes are told xyz in recruiting. Doesn't always add up.

Yeah, but if I was straight up lied to, as this guy claims to be, I should be able to stop and shop myself around elsewhere. I shouldn't be locked in because you got one over one me during recruiting, especially now with everything being somewhat above board. It was one thing back when it was hiring mamas and uncles off the books at the local Chevy dealership, but we're talking about a time when players are entering into legitimate contracts with businesses (and soon directly with campuses). If he was promised $100,000 and didn't get it, then right before his redshirt burns is the time he has his final bit of leverage. If UNLV wants him on the field, they can pony up the $100,000 or they can say no and watch the starting quarterback sit out the best football season they've ever had. I'm saying all this as a guy that thinks that players shouldn't be getting paid, but if he was promised the money, he should get it and I have no problem with him using what little leverage he has to make that happen.

Now, that being said, he should have gotten something in writing instead of just trusting the word of some offensive coordinator.

 

[Dawgg]

I also call BS on him only being paid $3,000 of $100,000 promised to him. They may or may not have paid him everything promised, but I find it hard to believe the discrepancy would be that big.

They said it was a one time appearance fee.

 

[pseudonym]

coaches get paid millions to win. QB being the main positions this is tied too. If a coach out there thinks he's the guy that can get him to the next contract. He'll find a landing spot.

dont get me wrong. i dont think he's about to land at Georgia. But guys with less resumes at the position have found spots. Plus next season he will have to play it out. he wont have the ability to quit mid-season.

Sure, if you need a quarterback and don’t have other options, you will take him. But programs with options will likely see this as a red flag and go with another option. That’s what I mean by “good” landing spot. I have no idea if he is a good enough player to land at a good spot in the first place. I don’t think this helps.

 

[HuntDawg]

Sure, if you need a quarterback and don’t have other options, you will take him. But programs with options will likely see this as a red flag and go with another option. That’s what I mean by “good” landing spot. I have no idea if he is a good enough player to land at a good spot in the first place. I don’t think this helps.

well he was never landing in a good place to begin with.. but yes i get what you are saying... but i also dont think this is as big of a "red flag" as it once was. Every coach now thinks they can fix the problem.

 

[onewoof]

Redshirting so he retains his year of eligibility so that he can transfer to another school and make more money. This is getting out of control.

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[ckDOG]

I think this is happening pretty soon from what I hear.

Let's hope so. A college athlete CBA should fall out of it as well - bring about compensation/contract standards and transparency for all. Well thought out CBA would help protect/comp the bread and butter non-rev athletes that are otherwise unnoticed by average joe fans and also temper the dollars that the superstars are compensated via the collectives/universities. If the superstars want to get extra, get it under the table like they used to or sign true marketing contracts with Nike or whoever. NIL as it is stands today can't die fast enough.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Supreme Court royaly 17 college football

Yeah, but if I was straight up lied to, as this guy claims to be, I should be able to stop and shop myself around elsewhere. I shouldn't be locked in because you got one over one me during recruiting, especially now with everything being somewhat above board. It was one thing back when it was hiring mamas and uncles off the books at the local Chevy dealership, but we're talking about a time when players are entering into legitimate contracts with businesses (and soon directly with campuses). If he was promised $100,000 and didn't get it, then right before his redshirt burns is the time he has his final bit of leverage. If UNLV wants him on the field, they can pony up the $100,000 or they can say no and watch the starting quarterback sit out the best football season they've ever had. I'm saying all this as a guy that thinks that players shouldn't be getting paid, but if he was promised the money, he should get it and I have no problem with him using what little leverage he has to make that happen.

Now, that being said, he should have gotten something in writing instead of just trusting the word of some offensive coordinator.

right he should have signed a binding contract where both parties are responsible sounds like they didn't he didn't sign for a scholarship though. If he isn't playing should have it revoked

 

[Alexi_Lalas]

Supreme Court royaly 17 college football

Actually the NCAA royally screwed College Football. The writing was on the wall for years that extra-compensation for players was an inevitability and instead of getting ahead of it the NCAA let it run through the courts where it was out of their control. The NCAA set themselves up with silly and often arbitrary enforcement of rules (remember the skier and player for Colorado, Jeremy Bloom, who had to stop playing football because of sponsorships for skiing) and now they have an uncontrollable mess

 

[pseudonym]

Is this referring to Judkins? I knew there was drama, including during the bowl game, but what are the details? Did they pay him additional during the season to keep him from sitting?

 

[pseudonym]

There it is

 

[BulldogBlitz]

In a twisted way, I'm enjoying all of this chaos. It should force major changes that will be better for most of the people involved. It will be a difficult process. And I say it will only be better for most people involved, because very few of the affected parties have their interests aligned.

And in another twisted way, I'm a little relieved that we have already hit bottom and don't have to worry about getting further screwed by the chaos.

Until you see players on the top end pulling this crap, the needle won't move. The money is being made on Georgia v Alabama not unlv v S Dakota school for wayward mimes

 

[leeinator]

Too bad for UNLV.....they're may have been on the verge of one of their better seasons in a long time.

 

[onewoof]

Too bad for UNLV.....they're may have been on the verge of one of their better seasons in a long time.

The irony of the team being in Vegas...

Your most key position player can say nope I'm out, not enough money, see ya. A starting QB. This isn't a bench backup.

I guess now that point shaving is off the table, players are leaving when verbal NIL promises fall through.