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LaJollaCreek

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Earnie Stewart is going back to a club job in the Netherlands. Personally, I hope we do not keep the Sporting Director position anyway—it's more of a club-level thing, anyway.

So, now McBride and Stewart are no longer with US Soccer. Plus, we do not have a manager yet. Berhalter is still a candidate, but I imagine it is so because they want to avoid any potential lawsuit. I also imagine that US Soccer still probably moves in another direction when they actually make a decision.
I see that Claudio is stepping down at Austin FC. I didn't think he or GB would make it through this....and GB won't either. You're spot on why he is still being considered a candidate, but it's a formality at this point. They won't be making any sudden hires and will let this smoke die down before they do anything I imagine.
 
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Goals for Jordan Pefok and Gio Reyna today.
Would have been nice to see them on the field in Qatar.
 
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Shocker, Claudio was overbearing long before this. I mean there were some clues out there, but hopefully his son is strong enough to tell him....I'm a pro for 3 years now and I don't need Daddy to fight my battles.
 

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Folarin has been snubbed by the UK national team and the Africans have not expressed interest. He’s scoring more than Messi and Neymar and having the best scoring year for a first time Ligue 1 player since 1956. What an add he would be!
 

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US vs. El Salvador on the cock 7:30.

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I'm of the opinion that he may not be the best option for the US right now. Jesse's Red Bull system that he has developed under and managed with for several years at this point is designed for the club level where the manager has the ability to teach and train his players every day. It's a demanding system and only works when every player knows his role inside and out—that can only come with time. National team managers have very little time with their players on the training pitch. Also, with a club the manager can use the transfer market to bring in pieces that he believes better fits how he wants his team to play. With the national team, a manager has to figure out what to do with a fixed pool of players. There were similar concerns with Berhalter along these lines.

Also concerning is how he didn't last a full calendar year at Leeds, didn't last even a season at RB Leipzig, and his successor at Red Bull Salzburg achieved higher heights in Europe than he did with much the same squad. So, that's a bit of a track record to take into account at this point. Jesse's tactical approach seemed to take the Prem by storm initially in the first month of this season after he was finally able to really implement the things he wanted, but then opposing managers learned how to play against him and he never seemed to make proper counter adjustments.

While I cannot say he cannot adapt and turn things around if he were appointed as US manager, I've yet to see successful evidence to those ends. That would be the hope, of course, if he becomes our next manager. I look at Marsch more as a long-term candidate for the USMNT job who needs more club experience abroad. Perhaps he can find a spot where he's coaching everyday and adapting a broader tactical approach than what he's been brought up with in the RB system.
 

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I'm of the opinion that he may not be the best option for the US right now. Jesse's Red Bull system that he has developed under and managed with for several years at this point is designed for the club level where the manager has the ability to teach and train his players every day. It's a demanding system and only works when every player knows his role inside and out—that can only come with time. National team managers have very little time with their players on the training pitch. Also, with a club the manager can use the transfer market to bring in pieces that he believes better fits how he wants his team to play. With the national team, a manager has to figure out what to do with a fixed pool of players. There were similar concerns with Berhalter along these lines.

Also concerning is how he didn't last a full calendar year at Leeds, didn't last even a season at RB Leipzig, and his successor at Red Bull Salzburg achieved higher heights in Europe than he did with much the same squad. So, that's a bit of a track record to take into account at this point. Jesse's tactical approach seemed to take the Prem by storm initially in the first month of this season after he was finally able to really implement the things he wanted, but then opposing managers learned how to play against him and he never seemed to make proper counter adjustments.

While I cannot say he cannot adapt and turn things around if he were appointed as US manager, I've yet to see successful evidence to those ends. That would be the hope, of course, if he becomes our next manager. I look at Marsch more as a long-term candidate for the USMNT job who needs more club experience abroad. Perhaps he can find a spot where he's coaching everyday and adapting a broader tactical approach than what he's been brought up with in the RB system.
I'll give him a shot. Results matter and half the crap I read about USMNT coaches is recycled twitter/Social media stuff. Some US fans want to pretend we are a top 10 world club because we do have some young talent, but to be fair....we're still climbing there and are behind the best South American and Euro teams. The gap is way wider than many will admit because the US has taken strides from a talent standpoint. Oddly enough Leeds hasn't done crap with him gone either. Leeds had some injuries, never addressed their defensive woes in the back, and Bamford isn't exactly a world class striker.

There will be people ready to **** on him no matter what as he is a American coach and people think great Euro coaches are knocking down walls for this job. GB took over a team that failed to qualify, got them qualified, won a few trophies, 3 straight against Mexico, got out of the group stage of the WC....and they want to pretend he was a total failure or this team was so much better than that. It's the lack of awareness most "fan" critics have about where US Soccer really is that is mind boggling to me. Long hill to climb as our best players cannot get on the pitch for the best teams in Europe or are playing for bottom half teams in the bigger leagues. If he is the guy, hopefully he can make it work.
 
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I'll give him a shot. Results matter and half the crap I read about USMNT coaches is recycled twitter/Social media stuff. Some US fans want to pretend we are a top 10 world club because we do have some young talent, but to be fair....we're still climbing there and are behind the best South American and Euro teams. The gap is way wider than many will admit because the US has taken strides from a talent standpoint. Oddly enough Leeds hasn't done crap with him gone either. Leeds had some injuries, never addressed their defensive woes in the back, and Bamford isn't exactly a world class striker.

There will be people ready to **** on him no matter what as he is a American coach and people think great Euro coaches are knocking down walls for this job. GB took over a team that failed to qualify, got them qualified, won a few trophies, 3 straight against Mexico, got out of the group stage of the WC....and they want to pretend he was a total failure or this team was so much better than that. It's the lack of awareness most "fan" critics have about where US Soccer really is that is mind boggling to me. Long hill to climb as our best players cannot get on the pitch for the best teams in Europe or are playing for bottom half teams in the bigger leagues. If he is the guy, hopefully he can make it work.
I don't care where the next manager is from. My concerns stem from whether or not Jesse Marsch is a good fit for a national team job right now given his managerial style and proclivities.
 

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I don't care where the next manager is from. My concerns stem from whether or not Jesse Marsch is a good fit for a national team job right now given his managerial style and proclivities.
Very few..if any coaches that actually have a name in the hat won't have some type of concerns if we are being honest. The head coaching pool for this job isn't bringing in a top flight coach and I laughed at some of the names that were even slightly hinted at. However you don't coach in the EPL and Budesliga with no clue at all and any ability to adapt to your player pool or opponent. If it's him, I'll wait to see what he actually does before I start acting like I'm some soothsayer. He saved a team from relegation last year that had no defense and still didn't this year. I’ll take him over the past American coaches in terms of a resume.
 
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Very few..if any coaches that actually have a name in the hat won't have some type of concerns if we are being honest. The head coaching pool for this job isn't bringing in a top flight coach and I laughed at some of the names that were even slightly hinted at. However you don't coach in the EPL and Budesliga with no clue at all and any ability to adapt to your player pool or opponent. If it's him, I'll wait to see what he actually does before I start acting like I'm some soothsayer. He saved a team from relegation last year that had no defense and still didn't this year. I’ll take him over the past American coaches in terms of a resume.
I was where you are at about 6 months ago. Watching Marsch’s team more closely this season than I ever have before cooled me a bit on him. You seem to be partially arguing against me while also arguing against things other people in the fan base have said. I respect your view, but I don’t fully agree with it. It’s not irrational to suggest that Marsch comes with the potential issue of being married to a system that will be difficult to implement at the national team level. The biggest name available to us is not always the best choice. I’m resigned to the fact, though, that the powers that be (including now the new sporting director) seem favorable toward coaches with systems that come with complexities (pressing seems to be the desirable thing). US Soccer seems to really want a national team identity in terms of playing style (see Crocker’s statements at his presser, for example). Crocker almost hired Marsch at Southampton just two and a half months ago.

Something positive I can say about Marsch… while no manager will ever please all fans, I probably would trust him more to pick a squad for an important tournament than the previous manager. I think his greater levels of European coaching experience will help in that regard.
 
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I was where you are at about 6 months ago. Watching Marsch’s team more closely this season than I ever have before cooled me a bit on him. You seem to be partially arguing against me while also arguing against things other people in the fan base have said. I respect your view, but I don’t fully agree with it. It’s not irrational to suggest that Marsch comes with the potential issue of being married to a system that will be difficult to implement at the national team level. The biggest name available to us is not always the best choice. I’m resigned to the fact, though, that the powers that be (including now the new sporting director) seem favorable toward coaches with systems that come with complexities (pressing seems to be the desirable thing). US Soccer seems to really want a national team identity in terms of playing style (see Crocker’s statements at his presser, for example). Crocker almost hired Marsch at Southampton just two and a half months ago.

Something positive I can say about Marsch… while no manager will ever please all fans, I probably would trust him more to pick a squad for an important tournament than the previous manager. I think his greater levels of European coaching experience will help in that regard.

You do understand that these same identical takes were out there when GB was hired as well....in addition to his MLS baggage. I honestly think some USMNT fans here the word "system" and are confused by it. Pep has a system. Klopp has a system. Jose has a system. Fergie had a system. Every Dutch coach in the last 50 years played a system(base for most current systems of possession based teams). I'm not sure why US Soccer fans are confused by coaches having a preferred style of play. Now those TOP coaches I mentioned have the top talent in the world usually so they don't have change it up much as they often dictate play and do. This idea he cannot change tactics whether he is playing Brazil or Bermuda is some crazy speculation. If Jose or Conte came(pure fiction obviously), the system would be bunker in and play for a counter which was the US's only system for about 40 years of my life. It was due to to the lack of talent to dictate the game (still cannot against the best, our midfield while better is lacking) against any decent team. Much like the Central American's now do to us since we have the upper leg with talent. We don't sit back against Mexico anymore for 87 minutes....things have changed.

There are always going to be questions on the squad selections. That isn't a US thing...and it will occur no matter who the HC is and no matter the country. It's part of the deal and probably the hardest thing about being an international HC. Coaches will never get the tactics right 100% of the time or sometimes that lesser team that bunkers in....gets that counter or late goal and wins in a game where they were completely outclassed and dominated. Good discussion with you and I love your passion for the USMNT, but I'm kind of over the being in front of the skiis part of social media takes. I'll see what he does (he will get appointed IMO) as he has a decent enough resume and I'm still not hearing any other names that are no brainers as a part of the discussion. The US isn't winning the WC anytime soon....let's just hope they keep making progress.
 
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I am pretty excited about this and prays the kid pans out. 19 Goals in 34 matches for a 21 year in old in a top league is promising.
He is no Jesus Ferriera :rolleyes: but he will be a good one!
 
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