Warning to head coaches recruiting Ben

[onewoof]

DEAR COACH:

I AM A HIGH MAINTENANCE B TEAMER THAT COMES COMPLETE WITH MY OWN RED CARPET DEMANDS. I AM SHORT BUT I AM ENTITLED. I CAN HIT THE WIDE OPEN THREES AND I CAN MAKE MY FREE THROWS. BUT I LIKE MY DRAMA WITH A LITTLE SASS AND FAMILY DYSFUNCTIONALITY BAGGAGE THROWN IN TO MAKE IT EXCITING AND FUN FILLED. MY GOAL IS TO ADD MORE COMPLETELY UNNEEDED STRESS TO YOUR LIFE. NO MATTER HOW BUSY YOU ARE, IF YOU ARENT WORRYING ABOUT ME, IT JUST WONT MAKE ME FEEL NEEDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND CAN YOU GET MY MOM SEATS BEHIND THE BENCH PLEASE.

LOVE,
BEN

 

[onewoof]

DEAR COACH:

I AM A HIGH MAINTENANCE B TEAMER THAT COMES COMPLETE WITH MY OWN RED CARPET DEMANDS. I AM SHORT BUT I AM ENTITLED. I CAN HIT THE WIDE OPEN THREES AND I CAN MAKE MY FREE THROWS. BUT I LIKE MY DRAMA WITH A LITTLE SASS AND FAMILY DYSFUNCTIONALITY BAGGAGE THROWN IN TO MAKE IT EXCITING AND FUN FILLED. MY GOAL IS TO ADD MORE COMPLETELY UNNEEDED STRESS TO YOUR LIFE. NO MATTER HOW BUSY YOU ARE, IF YOU ARENT WORRYING ABOUT ME, IT JUST WONT MAKE ME FEEL NEEDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND CAN YOU GET MY MOM SEATS BEHIND THE BENCH PLEASE.

LOVE,
BEN

 

[onewoof]

DEAR COACH:

I AM A HIGH MAINTENANCE B TEAMER THAT COMES COMPLETE WITH MY OWN RED CARPET DEMANDS. I AM SHORT BUT I AM ENTITLED. I CAN HIT THE WIDE OPEN THREES AND I CAN MAKE MY FREE THROWS. BUT I LIKE MY DRAMA WITH A LITTLE SASS AND FAMILY DYSFUNCTIONALITY BAGGAGE THROWN IN TO MAKE IT EXCITING AND FUN FILLED. MY GOAL IS TO ADD MORE COMPLETELY UNNEEDED STRESS TO YOUR LIFE. NO MATTER HOW BUSY YOU ARE, IF YOU ARENT WORRYING ABOUT ME, IT JUST WONT MAKE ME FEEL NEEDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND CAN YOU GET MY MOM SEATS BEHIND THE BENCH PLEASE.

LOVE,
BEN

 

[dickiedawg]

It's a letter written from the perspective of Ben Hansbrough. It's clever. Not so sure what you were trying to do with the all-caps, though.

 

[RebelBruiser]

After all, he did flirt with the idea of leaving after last season, so apparently he's not been happy for longer than just a year.

 

[jackbaddawg]

coaching him up to big brother Tyler's All-American like status quick enough & that he should go look for a coach that'll kiss his young *** .Also that would give him some time off to get better & stronger for his junior & senior years. That was a whole bunch of ******** about a practice facility.Ben knew that situationg before he came here. I really think his dad made him feel like he was'nt ever gonna be the stud his big brother Tyler is.

 

[patdog]

I really think his dad made him feel like he was'nt ever gonna be the stud his big brother Tyler is.

If so, then dad was right. But transferring somewhere else isn't going to change that.</p>

 

[onewoof]

i bet it pissed off both Ben and his s dad the approach Stans takes with life in general. Having his kids with him all the time, not obsessing over basketball. Ben's dad is one of these guys that believes in an Olympic approach to basketball to where it dominates your life and everything else is second. Stans isn't like that. I know Stans being so nonchalant about things and putting family first instead of basketball really had to bother him.

 

[fishwater99]

Or the fact that Stans let's J-Money run the show and Ben got tired of not being allowed to play team basketball as it is meant to be played.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

nfm

 

[BoJangles921]

players that are transferring out it is quite obvious it is time to take a long hard look at the Coaches. There has to be a reason players keep leaving and it is not because they are all high maintenance B players. These players leaving are our depth and experience and we will never get where we long to be as long as
we keep letting this no coach coach run our players off.

 

[fishwater99]

MadDawg[/b]]<span class="post-title">Yeah. The last thing you want is your PG running the show</span>

</p>The problem is he is not really a point guard, but a power forward playing point guard b/c he thinks he can play in the NBA...
I think Ben got tired of Stans not finding a point guard for three years b/c Jamont wanted to play point.
Ben also thought that he might should have taken one of those last second shots that J-Money missed this year, ie UGA & Memphis...
Also that J-Money got to shoot the technical fouls this year, onstead of him.
J-Money has something on Stans....
I hope he learned some Italian, he might need it next year in Italy.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Did you see MagnificentBastard's post?

we will never get where we long to be as long as
we keep letting this no coach coach run our players off.

So are you in the camp of wanting to get rid of Stansbury?

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

So instead of being an All-Sec point guard, Jamoney should have been an undersized power forward playing behind Rhodes. Gotcha.

 

[fishwater99]

Hey smart-***..

I would have played J-Money at the 3 with Charles at the 4.
The problem is Stans did not recruit a 1.

 

[patdog]

as a POINT GUARD. Yet there are still a couple of dumbasses on this board who think he's not a point guard. Have either of you ever considered the possibility that everybody else mighe be right and you might be wrong?

 

[dawgstudent]

of his own success. He has raised expectations and I don't want him gone but we will never get to the next level with starters transferring every year. I want to take the next step and get past the first weekend of the tournament.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

ok, so now he's NOT a power forward. He's a small forward. Any more changes you want to make, smartass?

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

All the transfers certainly makes his job harder for him. I was a bit surprised to see the article listing all the transfers from SEC schools and see that we are actually not out of the ordinary. I'd be willing to bet if you broke it down you'd find more contributing starters have left us than most of the others. But it's not the night and day contrast I thought it was before reading that article.</p>

 

[fishwater99]

J-Money plays point guard b/c we do not have one..
Why b/c he talked Stans into letting him learn to play the position b/c he thought that was his only chance for the NBA.
Stans did not even try to recruit one while J-Money is in Starkville.

Jamont is a power forward stuck in a guard's body.
You can not have a 6'4 power forward in the SEC..

How can you not understand this?

 

[Goat Holder]

nm

 

[awalkerdog]

as a POINT GUARD. Yet there are still a couple of dumbasses on this board who think he's not a point guard. Have either of you ever considered the possibility that everybody else mighe be right and you might be wrong?

</p>

 

[fishwater99]

I think J-Money is one of the best players in the SEC, so you have to give him first team at the position he plays at MSU.
But he is not a point guard and will not play point guard in the NBA.
When will you people realize this.
He is a tweener, he plays like a forward, but is stuck in a guard's body.

J-Money is a great basketball player, but not a great point guard.

Look at any draft projestions and you will see he is not even projected to play point guard at the next level.
J-Money is not even in the top point guards in the draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jamont-Gordon-290/

http://www.nbadraft.net/

 

[patdog]

First you say that the only reason Stans is playing him at PG is because that's his best chance to make the NBA. Then you link draft lists that show that he's not projected as a PG in the NBA. Then I click the link and lo and behold one of them DOES show him as a PG/SG.

Not to mention the whole concept that a lot of times a player's best position as a college player is not his best position as a pro player.

 

[dogfan96]

J-Money plays point guard b/c we do not have one..
Why b/c he talked Stans into letting him learn to play the position b/c he thought that was his only chance for the NBA.
Stans did not even try to recruit one while J-Money is in Starkville.

Jamont is a power forward stuck in a guard's body.
You can not have a 6'4 power forward in the SEC..

How can you not understand this?

Signed,
Charles Barkley, Auburn</p>

 

[patdog]

If you'd told most people the day Stans was hired that after 10 years he'd have the record he has now, they'd have been thrilled. But the rule everywhere is, the more success you have the more people expect of you. And that's not a bad thing. We need to always want to do better.</p>

 

[VegasDawg13]

Stans did not even try to recruit one while J-Money is in Starkville.

I get so sick of hearing **** like this. It's incredibly rare to find a true point guard to recruit out of high school. If they're good enough to play college basketball, then they're likely the best player on their team and taking most of the shots. We tried to turn Richard Delk and Ben Hansborough into point guards, and we let Stewart run it some this year. In the end, Jamont was the best option we had at that position.</p>

 

[dawgstudent]

I was ready to take the next step. I just didn't know the next step in 2001 was a 1,000 foot drop.

 

[fishwater99]

patdog[/b]]First you say that the only reason Stans is playing him at PG is because that's his best chance to make the NBA. Then you ]

Can follow this logic??
Jamont thinks his only shot in the NBA is to play point guard...
He tells Stans this, and they then decide to let him play point at MSU.
I don't think he has any chance to ever play in the NBA as a point guard and I see the draft experts agree...

I can't say it any clearer than that...</p>

 

[patdog]

But the lesson we should have learned from Sherrill is that if you're not getting the job done, you've got to go. No matter how good you once were. Of course, after 7 years of Polk II, it doesn't look like we've learned a damn thing.</p>

 

[patdog]

Stans plays Jamont at PG because a) he's the best PG we've got, b) he's the best PG in the SEC, and c) he's one of the best PGs in the nation. But that would make WAY too much sense to be true.

 

[8dog]

that there wasn't that big of a hurry to sign a PG when we signed Jamont b/c Ervin was only going to be a junior. But I think you are correct, Richard Delk and Hans were supposed to be the PGs but didn't pan out at that position.

 

[muddawgs33]

Stans did not even try to recruit one while J-Money is in Starkville.

Actually he did in Richard Delk, but he tried dribbling the ball with his leg more than he did with his hands and he also had a tendency to let the other team have the ball way too often. Then if I'm not mistaken we recruited Jeremy wise who ended up going to prep school. I also believe Barry Stewart was recruited as a PG but turned out to be a better SG than PG. Then we recruited Bost last year, but he had to go to prep school, so by my count, we have recruited a PG every year since Gordon was signed. So to say Stans hasn't recruited a PG, is about as dumb as some of your post including this one.

 

[fishwater99]

patdog[/b]]Stans plays Jamont at PG because a) he's the best PG we've got, b) he's the best PG in the SEC, and c) he's one of the best PGs in the nation. But that would make WAY too much sense to be true.

Alex:

I will take a) for $1000

b and c are truly laughable...
</p>

 

[fishwater99]

So then the blame ultimately falls on Stans for not doing a better job of recruiting a real point guard.

 

[VegasDawg13]

I still want to hear you reply to the assertion that true point guards are impossible to find in high school for reasons I already mentioned. They have to be developed once they get to college. We've tried over the last few years but haven't succeeded. Most teams struggle to find a true point guard. Hell, even most NBA teams struggle to find a true point guard.

 

[BlindDawg]

First you say this -

Look at any draft projestions and you will see he is not even projected to play point guard at the next level.

Then when I follow the link you gave, I see this - <span id="intelliTXT"></span>

<span id="intelliTXT">NBA: PG/SG</span>

<span id="intelliTXT">and this -</span>

<span id="intelliTXT"></span> <span id="intelliTXT">he will probably have to see some minutes at the point guard position in the NBA down the road</span>

I would say that blows a pretty big hole in your "Jamont will never play PG in the NBA" argument.
<span id="intelliTXT"></span>

 

[DowntownDawg]

....we're in a Catch 22. We likely couldn't get anybody better, but it certainly feels like we've hit the ceiling with Stansbury, in that we'll always underachieve relative to the talent we bring in.

The only glimmer of hope I have is that the Delks and Ben had more issues with Jamont than with the coaching staff, and that maybe, just maybe, when Jamont's gone, the attrition will slow down. But it takes a pretty good bit of rationalization to get to that point.

 

[DerHntr]

that part of the reason comes from Stans signing waivers to allow players to leave without repercussion. this has now institutionalized leaving as a option if you are unhappy. if the precedent had been set from day one that leaving MSU will require you to sit for a year....no matter the circumstance....then some of these guys may think a lot harder about testing the recruting waters again. the staff puts a lot of time and effort into recruiting a player, developing a player further once they arrive, building a team around skill levels of the entire group, and not to mention forgoing the ability to do this with someone who actually plans to stay. and all of this is put in a nice free education wrapper.

from reading hans' comments today it appears that MSU was never a high caliber program in his mind and that it was Option B simply because no one else offered. it is entirely plausible that he saw MSU as a stepping stone from day one. move to MS, play in the SEC, get some good minutes and show off your skills, get a ***** *** waiver from the coach since he will do it for you, and move up. i know this is black helicopter talk but the fact that he wanted to leave after year one makes it possible.

MSU Basketball.....Welcome to the Minor League

 

[VegasDawg13]

"if the precedent had been set from day one that leaving MSU will require you to sit for a year....no matter the circumstance....then some of these guys may think a lot harder about testing the recruting waters again."

Who has transferred without sitting out a year?