Way OT: Good grief Honda

[thatsbaseball]

We have a low mileage 2019 Pilot that we've really enjoyed other than the damn recalls and here we go again.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCAK-23V751-1498.pdf

Just had all the injectors replaced last month (fix-if-failure recall) and have had several others. How much is this crap happening with other manufacturers ? I mean REPLACE the engine, really ?

 

[patdog]

They just don’t make cars as well as they did 10 years ago. And it’s getting worse instead of better. I suspect in this case few engines will need replacing. Just replace the defective rod. Probably still a 2-3 day job.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

We have a low mileage 2019 Pilot that we've really enjoyed other than the damn recalls and here we go again.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCAK-23V751-1498.pdf

Just had all the injectors replaced last month (fix-if-failure recall) and have had several others. How much is this crap happening with other manufacturers ? I mean REPLACE the engine, really ?

Hyundai is having engine troubles too.

 

[thatsbaseball]

They just don’t make cars as well as they did 10 years ago. And it’s getting worse instead of better. I suspect in this case few engines will need replacing. Just replace the defective rod. Probably still a 2-3 day job.

Just worries me having to go into a 48K well service engine if that's necessary. I'm starting to lose my trust in the vehicle.

 

[GloryDawg]

Toyota owns Mazda now and fixing to start building those cars in the United States. Their quality will start to go down.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

I'm emplyed at a Ford dealer in Brookhaven. This place is the recall capital in Lincoln County, if not southwest Mississippi.

 

[mcdawg22]

It’s because of all the **** they put in there. All the computers and switches and power this and power that have made so many moving parts there is bound to be design flaws. Don’t get me wrong, I love the bells and whistles but I remember the old 350s on 90’s silverados. You could fit a family of four underneath that hood outside of the engine space. In my current car you have to take a cover off of a cover to get to the air filter.

 

[Indndawg]

We have a low mileage 2019 Pilot that we've really enjoyed other than the damn recalls and here we go again.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCAK-23V751-1498.pdf

Just had all the injectors replaced last month (fix-if-failure recall) and have had several others. How much is this crap happening with other manufacturers ? I mean REPLACE the engine, really ?

When Toyota/Lexus begins having these kinda probs, then I'm gone worry. Govt regs on CAFE and safety are killing long-term and short-term reliability.

 

[OurPrideAndJoySnots]

We have a low mileage 2019 Pilot that we've really enjoyed other than the damn recalls and here we go again.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCAK-23V751-1498.pdf

Just had all the injectors replaced last month (fix-if-failure recall) and have had several others. How much is this crap happening with other manufacturers ? I mean REPLACE the engine, really ?

I have a 2017 Pilot that experienced issues with the fuel injectors. I also had the transmission 'juddering' issue (also a TSB) that required a software upgrade and three fluid changes to simulate a flush. I still get Transmission System Problem alerts on occasion.

My wife's 2014 Accord has gone through two new starters and now has a dashboard full of warning lights because the VSA module went out. If we wanted to shell out the $2500 to replace it, we couldn't because it is on backorder.

Don't buy Hondas

 

[maroonmadman]

Toyota owns Mazda now and fixing to start building those cars in the United States. Their quality will start to go down.

That is incorrect. Toyota does NOT own Mazda and has little affiliation with them.
Mazda - Wikipedia
Mazda already has a plant in Mexico manufacturing The Mazda3 & Mazda6. I doubt they will build a plant in the U.S.

 

[Mr. Cook]

I have a 2017 Pilot that experienced issues with the fuel injectors. I also had the transmission 'juddering' issue (also a TSB) that required a software upgrade and three fluid changes to simulate a flush. I still get Transmission System Problem alerts on occasion.

My wife's 2014 Accord has gone through two new starters and now has a dashboard full of warning lights because the VSA module went out. If we wanted to shell out the $2500 to replace it, we couldn't because it is on backorder.

Don't buy Hondas

I've experienced great satisfaction with Hondas since 2009. Owned 3 that have all easily eclipsed 100K mileage (178, 165, & 105). Moreover, the Honda dealerships I've used have been top-shelf service and maintenance.

 

[kired]

Most have issues. That’s why I’ve bought a couple of Hyundai suvs - 100k warranty. People often say any warranty problems should happen early so there’s no need for one longer than ~30,000 miles but that’s bs. Seems pretty common for people to have powertrain problems in that 50-75k mile range. My opinion is in this day & age every manufacturer should stand behind the engine & transmission for 100k. That’s why I don’t worry about it with Hyundai - if it craps out before 100k, not my problem

 

[maroonmadman]

I had a minor recall with my much discussed 2022 Frontier I purchased this past summer. Nissan sent a recall notice that my truck may slip out of PARK and roll away when parked on an incline. Nissan recommended I use my parking brake until my local dealer could make repairs. So I did that and called nearest dealership. Set an appointment, brought truck in, dealership gave me a ride home and called me about 4 hrs. later and offered to bring it to me or I could come get it. Problem was resolved with a minimum of aggravation to me.

 

[Indndawg]

2014 Toyota Tundra 205k miles...just routine maintenance. Never a prob

 

[trob115]

I've got a 2020 F450 that is on transmission number 3. The first recall was at 3,000 miles. Another 5,000 miles later, they issued another recall on the recalled transmission. Do not buy ford.

 

[Dawgs_4_life]

It’s because of all the **** they put in there. All the computers and switches and power this and power that have made so many moving parts there is bound to be design flaws. Don’t get me wrong, I love the bells and whistles but I remember the old 350s on 90’s silverados. You could fit a family of four underneath that hood outside of the engine space. In my current car you have to take a cover off of a cover to get to the air filter.

Preach!!! Ive got a burning oil smell coming from the passenger side. I can not find a leak and i've been under it, over it, inside it, pulled covers off of covers to get to another cover.
I'm down to its either the valve covers or vacuum pump. I'm really hoping its just the seal in the vacuum pump.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Hyundai is having engine troubles too.

Hyundai is literally a piece of **** with air conditioning

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I've got a 2020 F450 that is on transmission number 3. The first recall was at 3,000 miles. Another 5,000 miles later, they issued another recall on the recalled transmission. Do not buy ford.

Ford is an even a bigger piece of **** than Hyundai.

 

[RocketDawg]

That is incorrect. Toyota does NOT own Mazda and has little affiliation with them.
Mazda - Wikipedia
Mazda already has a plant in Mexico manufacturing The Mazda3 & Mazda6. I doubt they will build a plant in the U.S.

There's a joint Mazda/Toyota assembly plant in Huntsville. They assemble Mazda crossover vehicles. I think the Toyota side does Corollas.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I have a 2017 Pilot that experienced issues with the fuel injectors. I also had the transmission 'juddering' issue (also a TSB) that required a software upgrade and three fluid changes to simulate a flush. I still get Transmission System Problem alerts on occasion.

My wife's 2014 Accord has gone through two new starters and now has a dashboard full of warning lights because the VSA module went out. If we wanted to shell out the $2500 to replace it, we couldn't because it is on backorder.

Don't buy Hondas

Honda has a technical service bulletin to replace all of your injectors free of charge (I just dealt with that) . If you disable your Variable Cylinder Management or VCM a lot of those other problems will probably go away (dealt with that too). I used an after market gadget called an SVCM and it works like a charm. Cost about $100 and takes 5 minutes to install.

 

[GloryDawg]

That is incorrect. Toyota does NOT own Mazda and has little affiliation with them.
Mazda - Wikipedia
Mazda already has a plant in Mexico manufacturing The Mazda3 & Mazda6. I doubt they will build a plant in the U.S.

You say potato I say potatoe.

Manufacturing Jobs in No. Alabama | Mazda Toyota Manufacturing

 

[Maroon Pug]

Toyota owns Mazda now and fixing to start building those cars in the United States. Their quality will start to go down.

Toyota builds Honda Pilot's?! They make EvEryThing!!!**

 

[Maroon Pug]

There's a joint Mazda/Toyota assembly plant in Huntsville. They assemble Mazda crossover vehicles. I think the Toyota side does Corollas.

The Toyota Side mfg the Corolla Cross, basically the competitor to the Subaru Outback. The Mazda line has been quicker to start up than the Toyota line.

 

[GloryDawg]

Toyota builds Honda Pilot's?! They make EvEryThing!!!**

Monopoly.*****

 

[maroonmadman]

You say potato I say potatoe.

Manufacturing Jobs in No. Alabama | Mazda Toyota Manufacturing

I stand by my statement that Toyota does not own Mazda. I was incorrect about any affiliation with Toyota. Sorry bout that.

 

[rynodawg]

Most have issues. That’s why I’ve bought a couple of Hyundai suvs - 100k warranty. People often say any warranty problems should happen early so there’s no need for one longer than ~30,000 miles but that’s bs. Seems pretty common for people to have powertrain problems in that 50-75k mile range. My opinion is in this day & age every manufacturer should stand behind the engine & transmission for 100k. That’s why I don’t worry about it with Hyundai - if it craps out before 100k, not my problem

Hyundai SUV started leaking oil and just had all cover gaskets replaced under Hyundai factory warranty at 9 years, 2 months. Was still under 90K miles. Would have been out of pocket any other brand. That said, I will definitely be trading it in next year before I hit 10 years.

 

[patdog]

There's a joint Mazda/Toyota assembly plant in Huntsville. They assemble Mazda crossover vehicles. I think the Toyota side does Corollas.

Toyota has a 5% ownership stake in Mazda & as you say they’re joint venturing on the plant in Huntsville. I think a good deal for both sides. Hopefully Mazda will be able to piggyback on Toyotas expertise with hybrids.

 

[Perd Hapley]

They just don’t make cars as well as they did 10 years ago. And it’s getting worse instead of better. I suspect in this case few engines will need replacing. Just replace the defective rod. Probably still a 2-3 day job.

Replacing a connecting rod isn’t really a thing. In this case, with the bearing failing, you’ll have a galled up crankshaft pin which is just going to quickly chew up the next bearing if you put a new one in there. The rod isn’t the problem. Thus the need for an entire shortblock or entire engine replacement in this case.

When a rod does fail, you find out when its thrown through the side of your engine block. This would also, of course, necessitate an entire engine replacement.

 

[Fang1]

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It’s because of all the **** they put in there. All the computers and switches and power this and power that have made so many moving parts there is bound to be design flaws. Don’t get me wrong, I love the bells and whistles but I remember the old 350s on 90’s silverados. You could fit a family of four underneath that hood outside of the engine space. In my current car you have to take a cover off of a cover to get to the air filter.

Particulate filters on gas engines coming too, that should be loads of fun…….

Biden-Harris Administration Proposes Strongest-Ever Pollution Standards for Cars and Trucks to Accelerate Transition to a Clean-Transportation Future | US EPA

EPA News Release: Biden-Harris Administration Proposes Strongest-Ever Pollution Standards for Cars and Trucks to Accelerate Transition to a Clean-Transportation Future

www.epa.gov

 

[ZombieKissinger]

I only buy Subarus these days, and I’ve had great experiences with them. Interesting to see if the computer screens 17 all that up, but it’s all been good so far

 

[RockyDog]

Was toying with the idea of a new vehicle last week. I would have traded in my 2019 Pilot and when they printed out the carfax that upcoming recall bulletin was on there with a flag for a stop sale.

would have cost me over 2 grand off a trade since there is nothing they could do but wholesale it.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Was toying with the idea of a new vehicle last week. I would have traded in my 2019 Pilot and when they printed out the carfax that upcoming recall bulletin was on there with a flag for a stop sale.

would have cost me over 2 grand off a trade since there is nothing they could do but wholesale it.

All you need to do is get it serviced per the recall notice, and you can get full value again. You need to do that anyway, regardless of whether you want to keep the vehicle or not.

 

[Dawgbite]

I only buy Subarus these days, and I’ve had great experiences with them. Interesting to see if the computer screens 17 all that up, but it’s all been good so far

We just bought our first Subaru. Wife’s been driving Mercedes for years and I’d really never even considered a Subaru but we went into this purchase as objective as we could be. I think that opening the hood was what sold me, there’s a motor and none of the crap you see under the hood nowadays. I know all that crap is somewhere but I don’t have to remove it just to see the engine.

 

[Dawgbite]

I've got a 2020 F450 that is on transmission number 3. The first recall was at 3,000 miles. Another 5,000 miles later, they issued another recall on the recalled transmission. Do not buy ford.

I have a neighbor who owns a mechanic shop specializing in diesel pickups. He says that probably 80 % of the trucks that come through his shop are Ford Superduty‘s He says that he loves the Fords because they keep him in business but he’d never own one.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

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Particulate filters on gas engines coming too, that should be loads of fun…….

Biden-Harris Administration Proposes Strongest-Ever Pollution Standards for Cars and Trucks to Accelerate Transition to a Clean-Transportation Future | US EPA

EPA News Release: Biden-Harris Administration Proposes Strongest-Ever Pollution Standards for Cars and Trucks to Accelerate Transition to a Clean-Transportation Future

www.epa.gov

Nothing enrages me more than DPF systems on diesel trucks and tractors. It’s crap and many times it’s what causes us downtime at work. Once the warranty runs out on something we get it deleted.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

my truck may slip out of PARK and roll away when parked on an incline.

Yikes!

I grew up in the 70s/80s when standard transmissions were still common (my first few vehicles were standard). Engaging the parking brake/turning the wheel away from the curb was second nature and I still did it for many years even when I made the transition to automatics.

 

[SwampDawg]

I've got a 2020 F450 that is on transmission number 3. The first recall was at 3,000 miles. Another 5,000 miles later, they issued another recall on the recalled transmission. Do not buy ford.

But the thing is, they have us by the b***s. They don't care. you won't buy another Ford and I won't buy another Toyota. Lot's of other people have a brand they won't buy. But everybody is going to buy something, we'll just swap around.

 

[mcdawg22]

We just bought our first Subaru. Wife’s been driving Mercedes for years and I’d really never even considered a Subaru but we went into this purchase as objective as we could be. I think that opening the hood was what sold me, there’s a motor and none of the crap you see under the hood nowadays. I know all that crap is somewhere but I don’t have to remove it just to see the engine.

Not sure if the newer models are this way but the oil filter is right there on top. It makes it easy but the oil drips down the body after you change it. I like my wife’s Subaru but it seems to have had a lot of problems. The touch screen is finicky, wheel bearings have had to be replaced twice, rear main seal leaks, and there is a crack in the exhaust which is loud as hell. Guess it’s better than transmissions and power trains though.

 

[Hot Rock]

After listening to all the problems of these internal combustion engine cars with drive train issues and my mechanic telling me any car with electronics coming out of China is **** right now, is it time to switch a vehicle with waaaaay fewer moving parts? EV anyone? No oil leaks for sure!

 

[ZombieKissinger]

We just bought our first Subaru. Wife’s been driving Mercedes for years and I’d really never even considered a Subaru but we went into this purchase as objective as we could be. I think that opening the hood was what sold me, there’s a motor and none of the crap you see under the hood nowadays. I know all that crap is somewhere but I don’t have to remove it just to see the engine.

I’ve lived in places with a lot of snow, so that’s what led me to start buying them, but I love driving them too