We got what they evidently wanted

Ibdancin

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What did anybody expect from a 1st year HC, 1st year DC, and 2nd year OC in the system he is trying to teach and who did not have his own staff to bring with him!

We got less than what we paid for and 100% got what should have been expected.



This level of coaching, staffing is straight up FCS style organization.
 

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What did anybody expect from a 1st year HC, 1st year DC, and 2nd year OC in the system he is trying to teach and who did not have his own staff to bring with him!

We got less than what we paid for and 100% got what should have been expected.



This level of coaching, staffing is straight up FCS style organization.
This is honestly about what I expected. I was surprised everyone had such high expectations, and I think on a prediction thread I let that influence me and said we could get 7 wins. But I really wasn’t feeling it- just hoped I was missing something. I’ve seen plenty of teams with talent that didn’t do anything due to poor coaching.

I honestly feel sorry for Arnett. It was a bad situation. It’s not his fault he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, and nobody in his position is going to turn a head job down. I hate to lose him as a DC, but it may have happened anyway with a new coach.
 

Ibdancin

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This is honestly about what I expected. I was surprised everyone had such high expectations, and I think on a prediction thread I let that influence me and said we could get 7 wins. But I really wasn’t feeling it- just hoped I was missing something. I’ve seen plenty of teams with talent that didn’t do anything due to poor coaching.

I honestly feel sorry for Arnett. It was a bad situation. It’s not his fault he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, and nobody in his position is going to turn a head job down. I hate to lose him as a DC, but it may have happened anyway with a new coach.
Because we all love our team.
 

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100%. The Leach haters and mIkE wRiGhTers and the RuN dA BaWl warriors and the good ole boys all got EXACTLY what they wanted. They all know who they are. It is imperative that these idiots are kept at arms length from the decision makers going forward but I have no faith that will happen.

We will see if Selman is a big boy or just another mouthpiece.
 

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This is honestly about what I expected. I was surprised everyone had such high expectations, and I think on a prediction thread I let that influence me and said we could get 7 wins. But I really wasn’t feeling it- just hoped I was missing something. I’ve seen plenty of teams with talent that didn’t do anything due to poor coaching.

I honestly feel sorry for Arnett. It was a bad situation. It’s not his fault he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, and nobody in his position is going to turn a head job down. I hate to lose him as a DC, but it may have happened anyway with a new coach.
its o k . we won t hold you to it...
 

jethreauxdawg

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I don’t understand this post…

Do the Rogers defenders realize that Wright being crappy doesn’t make Rogers any better? It just means we got 2 crappy qbs.
No, we have one QB that prior to his injury was good in the right offense. We completely changed the offense he worked in and brought in a QB that doesn’t work in any offense as a QB.
 

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No, we have one QB that prior to his injury was good in the right offense. We completely changed the offense he worked in and brought in a QB that doesn’t work in any offense as a QB.
That system literally died. I don’t what we were suppose to do. Promote one of his offensive assistants that didn’t call plays? Leach’s air raid was unique to him.
 
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What did anybody expect from a 1st year HC, 1st year DC, and 2nd year OC in the system he is trying to teach and who did not have his own staff to bring with him!

We got less than what we paid for and 100% got what should have been expected.



This level of coaching, staffing is straight up FCS style organization.

I'm beginning to think you have a bet with your neighbor challenging you to post the same thing using different words 1,000 times in less than a month. You're well on your way. Congrats.
 

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I'm beginning to think you have a bet with your neighbor challenging you to post the same thing using different words 1,000 times in less than a month. You're well on your way. Congrats.
You mean we have people that will continue making the same post over and over again? Remarkable.


ETK99 said:
Air Raid sucked balls


I guess that's why we started running the ball. It's so much better.
 

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You mean we have people that will continue making the same post over and over again? Remarkable.


ETK99 said:
Air Raid sucked balls


I guess that's why we started running the ball. It's so much better.
The "up the gut, smash mouth" football folks hate the air raid. The air raid or pass first folks hate "up the gut, smash mouth" style of football.

Either style can be boring and lose games. Neither will work against the teams with players competing with NFL salaries. However, the air raid was more effective at scoring quickly. We came from behind in several games which is something we're not used to.

The battle rages on. My feeling is we will never get the OL players to compete in the SEC for smash mouth football. Kentucky shut our run game down and they gave up 123 points in their previous 3 SEC games. Now that OM is sweeping the best defensive players in the state I fear we're in jeopardy of just hanging close to SEC teams.
 

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No offense works when the players are mediocre but the air raid gets more wins under Leach because he was a good HC that knew how to develop the overall program and got the most out of air raid. He was a great coach and I truly wish we could have seen him stick around.
 

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What did anybody expect from a 1st year HC, 1st year DC, and 2nd year OC in the system he is trying to teach and who did not have his own staff to bring with him!

We got less than what we paid for and 100% got what should have been expected.



This level of coaching, staffing is straight up FCS style organization.
The administration decided to go ahead and install the plan for our inevitable expulsion from the SEC. We'll see you soon Sunbelt. :)
 

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This is honestly about what I expected. I was surprised everyone had such high expectations, and I think on a prediction thread I let that influence me and said we could get 7 wins. But I really wasn’t feeling it- just hoped I was missing something. I’ve seen plenty of teams with talent that didn’t do anything due to poor coaching.

I honestly feel sorry for Arnett. It was a bad situation. It’s not his fault he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, and nobody in his position is going to turn a head job down. I hate to lose him as a DC, but it may have happened anyway with a new coach.
This is a rare case of undeserved Peter Principle. He rose to the level of his incompetence, but if he had been promoted maybe after another 5 or 6 years of working under a good CEO head coach, he might have made a good HC in the future. This experience, unfortunately, will set him back for at least 10 years, and he may never get another shot at a HC position.
 

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Frankly, I don't give a damn what offense State runs I just want to win 17ing football games.

I thought Arnett would have a learning curve, but I really thought he would always have the team ready to play hard and disciplined. Looks like I was really 17ing wrong on that.
 

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This is a rare case of undeserved Peter Principle. He rose to the level of his incompetence, but if he had been promoted maybe after another 5 or 6 years of working under a good CEO head coach, he might have made a good HC in the future. This experience, unfortunately, will set him back for at least 10 years, and he may never get another shot at a HC position.
A big issue he had was pride as well. He thought because his defense was ahead of Leach's offense after year 3, that he suddenly was the expert. He focused on the few things Leach did wrong rather than the wealth of things he did right. Not to mention MSU will always have more talent on defense so it's expected for it to tote the load most of the time.

So, he went out and 'corrected' things, and this is what we got because of it. Pride is a m17er and will absolutely bring yo a$$ down.
 

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This is honestly about what I expected.
I don't believe you. I don't think anyone expected an offense that can't even reach double digits even with Rogers out.

I predicted 6-6, and I honestly haven't completely given up hope. But I never to thought the team would this hopeless.
 
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No matter what offense we run it’s like Matt Wyatt reminded us after the game when talking about the 98 and 99 team. It all starts up front on both sides of the ball. It is critical to have a top quality offensive and defensive line. There is a lot of truth in that statement from Matt.
 

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What did anybody expect from a 1st year HC, 1st year DC, and 2nd year OC in the system he is trying to teach and who did not have his own staff to bring with him!

We got less than what we paid for and 100% got what should have been expected.



This level of coaching, staffing is straight up FCS style organization.
We were between a rock and a hard place with the timing of coach leach's unfortunate passing coinciding with cohen's bolt to auburn. Under the circumstances the choice we made to promote Arnett was about the best one available but we probably should have better anticipated rocky roads ahead. At first I thought we failed miserably by not insisting that Arnett try to maintain as much of a status quo as he could to get us through this transitional season. But then as I think about it more that probably would have just prolonged the inevitable. Better to give him full reign and let him sink or swim instead of having him pretend to be Mike Leach's for a season. He sank like a stone. Time to move on.
 

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hell, i had us at 8-4
On paper... these were all winnable:
SELA
Arizona
South Carolina
Western Michigan
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
Texas A&M
Southern Miss
Plus you add in the randomness of the Egg Bowl and you could easily talk yourself into believing there were 10 winnable games until about halftime on September 9 and totally out of it during the 4th quarter on September 23.
 
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This is honestly about what I expected. I was surprised everyone had such high expectations, and I think on a prediction thread I let that influence me and said we could get 7 wins. But I really wasn’t feeling it- just hoped I was missing something. I’ve seen plenty of teams with talent that didn’t do anything due to poor coaching.

I honestly feel sorry for Arnett. It was a bad situation. It’s not his fault he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, and nobody in his position is going to turn a head job down. I hate to lose him as a DC, but it may have happened anyway with a new coach.

I had high expectations before I realized Arnett was going to make his job hard as hell.

He's a good coordinator and I still think he can probably be a good head coach in the future but I don't know wtf he was thinking tearing down the offense with so many players coming back. Unbelievable to me the arrogance of being a first year head coach and thinking it'd be fine to have an inexperienced offensive coordinator completely changing the offense while also hiring an inexperienced DC.
 

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I don't believe you. I don't think anyone expected an offense that can't even reach double digits even with Rogers out.

I predicted 6-6, and I honestly haven't completely given up hope. But I never to thought the team would this hopeless.
I expected a **** show. It is. I felt the people saying we’d be last in the SEC were probably a lot closer to being right than people expecting 7-9 wins. They were.

I just didn’t expect much with how much coaching turnover we had and completely scrapping what our offense was recruited for.
We hired someone younger than me to be a first time head coach because we didn’t have a lot of options. That just didn’t inspire confidence for me.
 
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