What is acceptable for MSU baseball next year?

[RougeDawg]

and should have lost the last 8 SEC games we played... Somehow came back 2 games we blew a lead at UM and a meltdown by the Bayou Bengals.... Cohen has as much feel for a game as I do flying a space shuttle. He brings in pitchers, and they have a crick in their necks after a few pitches and fans get souvenirs. His feel for the game and what players are locked in on any given game day are pretty damn ******.

I do not expect much more than this as long as Cohen is there with no feel for a game or his players' demeanor before and during a given game. With luck we'll be about the same next year. Without it we'll be sitting home during this week next year. Plain and simple. Seniors stuff is ********. If we were a top tier SEC team most players wouldn't even make it to their senior year. Having that many seniors, year after year, shows just what we have.

Offense?? Who thinks this years offense was better than last. Hell only 2 starters had above .300 batting averages. That's pretty damn sad for a SEC team who plays cupcakes midweek.

Plain and simple, Cohen doesn't have "IT". Unless he has a spiritual revelation and somehow learns how to read a game's momentum and feel, we will stay at our current state. Just because Polk was horrendous his last few years, doesn't mean Cohen is great. I haven't seen anything more than average from him. Any human being who has ever played baseball past high school can see. We make too many stupid decisions on the field and on the coaching staff.

 

[Todd4State]

and that's what we did this year. You have to give our team credit for that. They didn't quit- and some of that is because Cohen pushes them and because of the attitude that he has and it carries over to the players.

I would say that we were pretty unlucky last year- if Routt is healthy, we probably are good enough to win 30 games and maybe even sneak into a regional, and one of our freshmen pitchers that we were really counting on was hurt because his dumbass summer league coach overworked him.


It didn't happen, but I can't change it anymore than anyone can change what we did this year.

If you look at our team on paper, it's basically ex-junior college players, a couple of holdovers from Polk, and some freshmen, and a pitching staff that is mainly sophomores and freshmen, and a few juniors. Not exactly what I would consider loaded. And then we went through a SEC schedule- and didn't get to play one of the two worst, and maybe the worst team in the SEC in UK. And we still managed to finish one win away from winning the SEC West. I agree that Cohen has made some bad decisions- but that happens to everyone that coaches baseball from time to time. Actually, it probably happens in every sport. But, the fact of the matter is he made enough right ones to get us to where we are right now- which is a lot harder considering that we don't have a ton of talent.

 

[00Dawg]

but I swear on one TV broadcast they said he was batting .200 with RISP.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

We scored 412 runs with 378 of them as RBI in 2010

Most of this was by Polk recruits.

We scored 351 runs with 309 0f them RBI in 2011.

Most of this was Cohen Juco recruits.

We are going to be relying on Freshmen, Redshirt Freshmen, and Sophmores next year. That is an undisputable fact.

To achieve at least what we achieved this year, we will have to beat SEC opponents who will be playing with sophs, juniors, and seniors at about an even clip. Yes, even those team will sign some amzing freshmen who will beat out a junior or senior. But, we will without a doubt have the "we are young" excuse to use next year as we will be the youngest starting 8 in the SEC.

 

[RougeDawg]

is considered our team finding a way to win? I beg to differ. Unless Cohen somehow gets a hold on Les Miles' golden rabbit foot we will not have as many wins next year as this year. Plain and simple, the guy may know strategy and baseball in general, but from what I've seen he has no feel for a game or his players. That is as important as knowing strategy and situations. You have to know what players came ready to play, and until he shows me something otherwise, Cohen does not have that ability. He's got one more season to figure IT out, or I think Strick should look elsewhere. Somewhere outside of the Polk umbrella. We should have been swept the last 2 SEC series and managed to come out 3-3. That's not finding a way to win, that's a horseshoe up your ***.

 

[Todd4State]

the other team playing defense was part of the game. How about getting the runners in scoring position in the first place or putting the ball in play? Or is that a horseshoe up the *** too? What about Devin Jones stepping up in that game? Guess who had the idea to put him in the game?


Also, last time I checked, you were the guy that last week said to paraphrase "I haven't really watched the team much this year" so, maybe you should actually pay attention to more than one series before you pass judgement on Cohen.

Or maybe you didn't watch because you were filing a lawsuit ROUGEDawg- (Dana Moore is from Baton Rouge)

And finally, you were the dumbass that said that Cohen told Pollorena to "groove a fastball" which resulted in a home run. Which is the dumbest **** I have ever heard in my life. That's a lack of execution- or maybe LSU found a horseshoe up their *** since anytime the other team makes a mistake, it's all about luck.

 

[K9 Avenger]

nt

 

[RougeDawg]

in order to win is pretty damn stupid and pathetic. I haven't watched them much in person you dumbass, and I'm glad I didn't waste my time and gas money to drive up to starkville more than once. Did you even play high school baseball? Probably some prep school or academy. I never said Cohen told Pollerana to groove one. I said why in the 17 are we even pitching to one of LSU's best hitters, OF ALL TIME, not just 2011. You are the dumbass who cannot read a post and gather the information correctly. In that situation you throw everything 6+ inches outside or high and hope he swings. I was there Florida series, watched plenty of games on Sportssouth and watched ever game against UM, all of which we should have lost.

Secondly, prior to final series of season, LSU had only won 2, let me repeat 2 (TWO), road games all season and they should have swept us.

I'm just pointing the stats and what a true baseball coach should do in critical situations. Especially not pitch to an all time great Tiger while game is still close. If you fans want to overlook how we won and Cohen's coaching deficiencies then keep doing it if it makes you feel better. I'm not saying Polk was any better. We are much better off. I'm just saying he's an average coach. Maybe he'll prove me wrong next season but until he does I can only go on the facts.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

RBIs are of pretty dubious importance when evaluating a hitter anyway, and even with non-Sabermetric stats, nobody tracks that "stat." Just a bunch of mathematical nonsense.<div>
</div><div>In fact, googling RBI to hit ratio turns up....this thread.</div>

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

RBIs are of pretty dubious importance when evaluating a hitter anyway, and even with non-Sabermetric stats, nobody tracks that "stat." Just a bunch of mathematical nonsense.
<div>
</div><div>In fact, googling RBI to hit ratio turns up....this thread.</div>

You can take anydata and create a statistical probability of an event happening.

I just found it interesting to look at those numbers from2010 to 2011 comparatively.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

As long as we're trending up and improving, I'll give Cohen the benefit of the doubt. I'd love to host a regional next year, but I'm not going to bail on Cohen if it doesn't happen. But it is absolutely necessary that he finish at least .500 in the SEC, make the SEC tournament, and make the NCAA's.

BFB

 

[Todd4State]

Since you follow the team so much you would know that Cohen told Pollorena to pitch around Mahtook and he missed his location. According to Cohen we were pitching around him and the pitcher didn't execute. Sounds to me like LSU got lucky- or maybe you think Manieri is lucky because he had to rely on us making a mistake. This was in Cohen's postgame interview, superfan.

It's pretty clear to me that the only baseball you ever played is on Xbox because it sounds to me like you expect these players to act like damn robots and not make mistakes and that the coach has control of every little move out there. Because if you ever played the game yourself, you would know that the other team making mistakes on both sides is part of the game. You should ask Bill Buckner about that- or maybe we should take away the Mets 86 WS championship since they "relied on him making a mistake to win the game". I didn't say we "relied on people making mistakes"- rather, we make fewer than other teams. Guess what that goes back to- coaching. And if we win a game that "we shouldn't" it's more than likely because we played better than them. You don't have to play a perfect game to win.

I could literally point out ANY game that was played tonight at any level of baseball and point out something that did or didn't work out in the other teams favor and say "Well, if so and so did or didn't happen, they would have won or they shouldn't have won because they were lucky that so and so happened"- That's all part of the game. Sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't. In the instance you're talking about by pitching around Mahtook- Cohen told the player to do the right thing and in fact exactly what you wanted him to do, and Pollorena didn't execute. You know why? Because baseball is a damn hard sport to play. Once that ball leaves your hand, you've got no control over it. That's not Cohen's fault.

Oh, and don't call someone out for "not comprehending" if you can't comprehend my post either you piece of ****.

But, I guess you wouldn't know anything about baseball since you are the only ******* I N G kicker in the history of mankind to have to have someone kick extra points for him.

Here's a better way you can waste your time and gas- go to the Mississippi River Bridge and drive off of it.

Oh, and ******* Y O U.

Happy Memorial Day.

 

[RougeDawg]

because I know baseball. I played baseball. If you are told to pitch around a batter, YOU DONT GIVE THEM ANYTHING TO HIT. These are Division 1 SEC baseball players, not 11-12 little league. They should be able to throw 4 pitches out of the strike zone and see if he chases. Thats a whole hell of a lot easier than trying to paint corners and try to strike Mahtook out. Either way, who is responsible for who is on the mound? If GD Pissrod can't throw 4 balls semi close to the plate, why in the 17 is he still pitching to an all time great tiger? You answer me that one. If that at bat is that critical in a game that was that close, why not put somebody in you KNOW can pitch around someone. Why the 17 not just walk him by pitching out 4 straight? If you are literally going to pitch around him, why even give him a chance to send one to Souvenir City? It's very apparent that you've never played even in high school, but that's not your fault. I can sit at a game and call almost every pitch to every batter if you'd like to sit by me one day. Any level from college through the bigs. Not only call pitches but call about 90% of hit and runs, bunts, and steals. You just have to read the game and players who are in at that time. But only someone who's played college level under a coach who coaches every summer in the Cape Cod league would know most of this. That someone was me, oh and by the way that coach has won 5 Cape Cod league titles. He didn't do that with luck or other teams errors. The guy knows the game and that's who taught me.

I'm up for sitting by you at any game and you taking notes on how many I call correctly and I call wrong. I went to Omaha last year and had people asking me how I could do it. Just HAVE TO KNOW THE GAME... Plain and simple. Let me know.

 

[tcreb]

He's an internet badass.

 

[RougeDawg]

which is why it pisses me off to see stupid **** happen, time after time, and to see how some Division 1 coaches don't teach the game. Like what to do in certain situations. How to read the outfielders when you are on a certain base, or the outfielders showing a certain position before a pitch and moving to throw off the runners. I watch too many games where a runner never turns around to look at outfielders position or outfielders not moving a little just before a pitch. If you know where the outfielders are prior to the pitch, you can be running when the ball is off the bat because you know an outfielder won't be able to get to it. Just little things like this, that I've noticed Cohen and most D1 coaches dont do. That just one of many, and I could sit on here for hours, maybe days telling baseball strategy that Todd or about 99% of the posters on here wouldn't have had a clue about before I wrote it. There are so many minor, small things in baseball that the average person never even knows exists. I'll be glad to speak strategy with anyone, and maybe Cohen will get wind of the thread.

 

[tcreb]

My post was not meant to validate you. I have no doubt but that you are a buffoon. Todd is not a buffoon, but he tends to fly off the handle. That was my point.

 

[Todd4State]

I've learned the game from people in the Big Leagues. People that have won the 17 World Series. You can ask people that sit next to me- I can call pitches just as well or better than you can.

If your buddy is so good at coaching baseball, why isn't he coaching college baseball at a higher level than that?

Since you played and went to Omaha to watch a game- like that's some kind of accomplishment- let me ask you this- were there ever times where there was a situation where you KNEW you needed to do something, and you screwed it up? Was that the Cape Cod League's coach of the year's fault or yours? Since you didn't play past college, I'm betting that the answer is yes.

That's what you're not getting- Cohen TOLD the guy to pitch around him- the pitcher screwed it up. Anyone that knows anything about the game knows that players make mistakes even though they know what they are supposed to do. And to say "Well, he should have put someone else in who could" is just as stupid- you have to trust your players at some point. Pollorena is one of our best pitchers- it's not like Cohen has a crystal ball and can say- "Oh, well, Pollorena is about to miss his location here, maybe I should take him out."

Because basically everyone that has ever played the game and knows baseball knows that mistakes happen on both sides. It's not because the players don't know what to do or aren't coached to do something- it's because they're human and they screw up. Everyone that plays the game knows that when the game is going on, it's in their hands, and if they screw up, they screw up. I saw a MLB second baseman drop a pop up the other night- mistakes happen. Is that his managers fault?

To act like the only reason we are winning games is because we are getting "lucky"- 34 times now- is ridiculous. Maybe LSU or Ole Miss weren't as well coached as we are- going by your logic because they obviously made more mistakes than us, or maybe they just got lucky that they beat us. Because according to you- that's how baseball works right? Is that what they're teaching in the Cape Cod League?

The bottom line is you are a wannabe that wasn't good enough as a player and you think you were better than you were. Because I will be honest with you- and I know a LOT of people that played the game, and several that played at the MLB level- and I don't know a SINGLE one that has an attitude about baseball like you- unless they're bitter. You probably blamed every loss on your coach- because most players take responsibility when they screw up- at least professional ones do. Based on your thoughts, I hate to tell you this- but you have NO clue about coaching baseball- but keep thinking that you know more than you do. It will make you happy. Unfortunately, people that know the game like me will continue to listen to your drivel and calling pitches and laugh at you behind your back. Or roll our eyes and wonder how in God's name we always have to sit by losers like you.

For people like you- and I mean this seriously- try coaching for one year. I don't care what level it is- but I think you will find that as a coach, no matter how well you coach them, that they're going to make mistakes and they're not going to always do what you want them to do. I think it will be an eye opening experience for you.

 

[Todd4State]

I have a temper. I'm working on it.

 

[RougeDawg]

Please tell me where I ever said we relied on errors to win every game? Please tell me what is so hard to understand about the fact, "If you want to pitch around someone" that you do not give him anything close to hit or even just walk his *** so you know he cannot hurt you? Please tell me how you think we should not have been swept the last two SEC series and missed the tournament.I know mistakes are part of every sport, but you say we have relied on those mistakes to win. If you have to rely on the other team to 17 up then you are in deep trouble my friend, which is exactly what you said. You are the one who kept twisting what I said and started putting words in my mouth.

I'll make it simple. <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Don't pitch to Mahtook, if you don't want him to hurt you.</span> My original reason for even posting. You think Bobby Cox and Tony Larussa were pitching to Barry Bonds and letting him beat them? Same damn situation. And how in the hell is he one of our better pitchers when he's supposed to throw a ball and grooves a damn urine ball to one of country's top hitters? Why do we even throw to him? That HR by Mahtook pretty much sealed the fate of that game. Secondly, We shouldn't have to rely on others errors to win. We were lucky to win 3 of the last 6 SEC games. Maybe we dont have pitchers who can locate, but we are a SEC team and should have SEC caliber players.

Those were my original arguments and they have turned into you sitting
in major league dugouts for a complete season learning baseball down to
the T. So you've actually been on a team an entire season, been subjected to any and every situation known to baseball, and had someone explain why everything happened in that situation and how to defense against something and the correct offense in a situation?

My buddy has been offered multiple jobs in SEC and ACC but doesn't like the politics that go along with it. Daddy donating this or that, daddy buying a sky box, or daddy buying 6 billboards and expecting his son to make the team. Which by the way did happen a lot when Polk was there. I don't know if it does much now but is has been a problem. He's well off and doesn't need the $ so why take the headache? Cod League and developing players is what he enjoys.

I'm done arguing here because I've been reading your posts and it appears that you are the go to guy if anybody needs to know anything about any sport known to man. I'm not bitter, I just don't see what people see is so great about Cohen. He is a step up from Polk, but can we not do any better? When people, some women, who don't even follow MSU baseball start coming up and asking what's the deal with your coach, I think thats a sign that there is, in fact, something wrong. I thought I could just point out a few simple things that Cohen screwed up on, that a non baseball person could understand, to make my point, but obviously I will have to delve through the entire season and pick it apart and provide you a 96 page season report for you to see that we don't have the best coach we could have, and he continues to make bonehead decisions.

Nothing about Omaha implied anything about me playing. You are grabbing at straws here. I said people and parents from other schools (who had watched every game that year) were wondering how I could call steals, hit and runs, fastballs in-out, change ups away, and curves. They couldn't do it. But keep twisting this thread however you'd like it. But like they say, "never argue with and idiot, people watching may not know the difference." Should I expect to see you on any upcoming episodes of Sportcenter? Let me know and I'll tune in when they switch to the peanut gallery segment.

 

[RougeDawg]

and tell me what isn't true or didn't happen. I stated things that happened and pointed out some faults and T4 has twisted my words so much the thread barely makes sense now.

 

[ScaldedDawg]

In that situation you throw everything 6+ inches outside or high and hope he swings.

That first "strike" that Pollerena threw can be seen here (at the time, it was 1-1 bases loaded, 2 outs, 2 strikes on Mahtook). Next,The homerun "grooved" ball.... the score was already 5-1 when Mahtook hit the 2-run shot to make it 7-1.

http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com?topic=67736

 

[wpnetdawg]

that neither one of you know as much about baseball as you think you do????

 

[RougeDawg]

You are probably correct. Well, I do know one thing, no matter who the hell is coaching us I want to beat the **** out of the other team. Hoping the regional is close enough to drive.

 

[Todd4State]

You're the one that's saying "we have to rely on errors on routine plays to win." and that it's Cohen's fault that our pitcher grooved a fastball.

I know baseball to well to make up stupid **** like that. Actually I don't think I would even dream up something like that and post it.

Guess what- if you don't say stupid ****, then people won't call you out on it.

And actually, to be honest here- if you've been around the game as long as you claim, that actually makes your comments even worse.

I don't care if you call Cohen out, but at least call him out on something legit. Based on your comment, I don't think it would matter who our coach is- you would think you know more than him even if we had Augie Garrido as our coach.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

coaches make mistakes and some of them are doozies...like having the short stop cover the bag on a runner going with a RH batter and a double play ball bouncing right through the 6 position for a base hit and 1st & 3rd, giving the Gators an extra run in the Championship Game. Yes, that is a roll of the dice by Coach Corbin, but it was his decision to play it that way and it turned out poorly.

Oh....and since MSU was the ONLY team in the tourney to score 5 runs or more....and still lose..... is it "possible" that a few coaching decisions led to that loss?

Cohen and his staff have made a boatload of mistakes this year. But even top coaches like Corbin can screw up...Sh...it happens.

 

[Todd4State]

and Cohen makes mistakes too- they're all human. Every Hall of Fame manager has screwed up and made mistakes every once in awhile.

But, in this case- you have Cohen stating in his post-game conference that he told Pollorena to pitch around the guy and Pollorena missed his location. So, obviously, that's a case of the coach knowing what to do and the player simply not executing. So, to me, that's why you can't really fault Cohen for that.