What is Croom's signature win this year?
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Upig in Starkville with a new coach this 180 degrees opposite of their last coach in offensive philosophy. I doubt that Petrino will have the players he needs to win a lot in year 1. Plus they lost their offensive firepower with DMac & Jones leaving. Croom should be able to sneak up and win this year.
No chance we beat LSU in Red Stick. If we had them in Starkville, then there would be about a 5% - 10% chance we could win since they lost Perrilloux.
No chance we beat LSU in Red Stick. If we had them in Starkville, then there would be about a 5% - 10% chance we could win since they lost Perrilloux.
guaranteed truths for football season:
Every day except Saturday, I'm gonna wish I was fishing if I'm not already fishing.
Every day somewhere in the world, ragheads are gonna be trying to blow something up. Hopefully themselves.
Croom still ain't gonna like scoring much.
LSU and Ark will frail the hell out of us.
Every day except Saturday, I'm gonna wish I was fishing if I'm not already fishing.
Every day somewhere in the world, ragheads are gonna be trying to blow something up. Hopefully themselves.
Croom still ain't gonna like scoring much.
LSU and Ark will frail the hell out of us.
The "signature win" can not be predicted. It just happens without rational explanation.
The football Gods- specifically Bear Bryant- smile on Croom.
The football Gods- specifically Bear Bryant- smile on Croom.
....however, we should beat them. In addition to losing McFadden and Jones, they lost Hillis and Monk too. They were not as well known as Mac/Jones but were bonafid weapons in their offense as well. Also, they lost some good players on defense. Petrino will have his work cut out for him. I predict Nutt goes up there and kicks their butts also. Karma is a *****.
Here's some position where LSU's advantage isn't as great as you'd have us believe:
RB - very close. Dixon, Ducre, Elliot and Bonner will be very formidable. Who will Miles count on when the game is close?
LB - Beckwith and Chaney cancel each other out. Sanders and Highsmith are gone. Lack of depth hurts State.
Safety - Pegues and Fitzhugh are as good a tandem as there is in the SEC. Stelz is gone but Chad Jones should be a stud.
RB - very close. Dixon, Ducre, Elliot and Bonner will be very formidable. Who will Miles count on when the game is close?
LB - Beckwith and Chaney cancel each other out. Sanders and Highsmith are gone. Lack of depth hurts State.
Safety - Pegues and Fitzhugh are as good a tandem as there is in the SEC. Stelz is gone but Chad Jones should be a stud.
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Seems like Croom plays just as well or just as bad on the road as at home, so that doesn't really matter. And we don't have a furboy to help them out. I feel like on any given day we can sneak up on anybody. I give us no more than a 20% chance but at the same time they likely won't blow us out like years past.
17 all of you that call me a sheep. You said the same **** this time last year.
17 all of you that call me a sheep. You said the same **** this time last year.
Freak luck. Ask Auburn or Alabama.
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RB- they are way better than us here- Charles Scott, Richard Murphy, and Keiland Williams are probably the conferences best this season. Ducre is decent, Dixon dances and averages less than 4 per carry, and the legend of Elliot has yet to show yet.
LB- Good call here, but their depth spreads the gap enough
As far as the secondary, Pegues is good, but i'd take their two-deep over ours.
Crooms has made us better, i'm not saying he hasnt. But you guys are moronic if you think we can win in BR. Staying within two TD's will be good for us.
"Who will Miles count on when the game is close?"
Jarrett Lee, Richard Murphy, Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, Brandon LaFell, Demetrius Byrd, Trindon Holiday, Rickey Dixon...
Dont worry about Miles. A better question is:
Who are we going to count on?
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Please tell me you are kidding. LSU had 4 RBs who averaged over 6.5 yards per carry last year. I believe all are back for next year (Coach will know if I'm wrong). Our leading rusher last year averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I hope Elliott and Bonner will be good, but we haven't seen anything from them yet other than a scoreless spring game.TR said:
"I hope Elliott and Bonner will be good, but we haven't seen anything from them yet other than a scoreless spring game."
Didnt they tell you? The scoreless Spring Game was planned. They didnt want to give away any secrets for the Fall on our high-powered West Coast scheme.
Didnt they tell you? The scoreless Spring Game was planned. They didnt want to give away any secrets for the Fall on our high-powered West Coast scheme.
why didn't any of them touch the ball when the game was on the line? Can any of them get that needed 4th and 1? And before you say, "they won't need to" I'd like to remind you of all the close games they had last season. There's no way the '08 team is as good as that team was.
"Who will Miles count on when the game is close?"
And I'd put our two starters against almost anyone.
I never said we would. I was taking issue with your statement about every position being superior than State. That's just not true.
"Who will Miles count on when the game is close?"
I was referring specifically to RB's and who would replace Hester's leadership and toughness.
Dixon, Ducre, Riley, Smith and Carroll.
Jacob Hester, for the most part.
Now, I was hedging when I called our RB's formidable, but never said they were better than LSU's. Talent-wise you're probably right. It seemed as if they never stuck with any one RB besides Hester, so I never got a feel for how good any of them were. I assume that they will lean on Murphy and Williams this fall.
I guess I just expect big things out of Dixon, Ducre and Elliot this year.
Now, I was hedging when I called our RB's formidable, but never said they were better than LSU's. Talent-wise you're probably right. It seemed as if they never stuck with any one RB besides Hester, so I never got a feel for how good any of them were. I assume that they will lean on Murphy and Williams this fall.
I guess I just expect big things out of Dixon, Ducre and Elliot this year.
" It seemed as if they never stuck with any one RB besides Hester, so I never got a feel for how good any of them were. I assume that they will lean on Murphy and Williams this fall."
Jacob was solid, dependable, almost never fumbled, and was a 3rd round draft choice- thats why he was in on 4th downs. Now that he is gone, they will give it to Murphy or Scott and continue to get 1st downs. Their backs are impressive.
"I guess I just expect big things out of Dixon, Ducre and Elliot this year."
our offense is going to be about the same. And people will make it harder and harder on us to run the ball as the season goes on, just like last year.
Jacob was solid, dependable, almost never fumbled, and was a 3rd round draft choice- thats why he was in on 4th downs. Now that he is gone, they will give it to Murphy or Scott and continue to get 1st downs. Their backs are impressive.
"I guess I just expect big things out of Dixon, Ducre and Elliot this year."
our offense is going to be about the same. And people will make it harder and harder on us to run the ball as the season goes on, just like last year.
instead of the young guys. They were giving it to an All-SEC senior. I can damn sure tell you that if we'd had a Jacob Hester, we wouldn't have given the ball to Dixon nearly as much as we did last year. And the reason they never stuck on any one back other than him was they were 5-deep with quality running backs last year. You can't give all of them the ball 150 times in one season.
As for expecting big things out of Dixon, Ducre and Elliott, that's great. But what they've shown so far is average, decent part-time player, and redshirt. They may break through and have great seasons next year, the potential is there. But none of them have shown it yet.
As for expecting big things out of Dixon, Ducre and Elliott, that's great. But what they've shown so far is average, decent part-time player, and redshirt. They may break through and have great seasons next year, the potential is there. But none of them have shown it yet.
6.5 yard per carry comes a little easier when the rest of your offense is working. But when you only run 3 plays and the defense know which one of the 3 plays your gonna run, it is hard to average big yards per carry. I don't think the difference in yards per carry is a true reflection of the talent of the running backs.
But the difference between 6.5+ and 3.7 yards per carry is a huge difference. Davis didn't just have the lowest yards per carry of any of the SEC's top 10 rushers. He was lowest by a large margin. Part of it was clearly the fault of his OL, QB & receivers. But he also did a poor job on a lot of carries of finding the holes that were there and taking the ball outside when he should have gone inside and inside when he should have gone outside.
You can't have it both ways here....
I'm not arguing with your premise that LSU is still more talented than us, but you can't argue that Lee, a RS FR who hasn't played, will be able to lead the Tigers in crunch time and then discount Elliot, a RS FR, because he hasn't played.
Jarrett Lee and Elliot are at the same level of game experience....exactly zero. Lee will be the starting QB where as Elliot will be a back-up RB. Miles will have to count on Lee, but that isn't necessarily a good thing.
I'm not arguing with your premise that LSU is still more talented than us, but you can't argue that Lee, a RS FR who hasn't played, will be able to lead the Tigers in crunch time and then discount Elliot, a RS FR, because he hasn't played.
It absolutely amazes me. People will tout Jerious Norwood's YPC in the NFL as a reason he should get more carries but then write off Dixon's YPC. You can't have it both ways. YPC doesn't say everything about a running back, but it is one of the best ways to judge a back. When one team's backs have 6.5 and another team's have 3.7, the first team's backs are clearly superior to the second's.
Dixon and Ducre are solid at best RBs. Not slamming them, it's just a fact. For some reason people feel the need to overrate them.
Dixon and Ducre are solid at best RBs. Not slamming them, it's just a fact. For some reason people feel the need to overrate them.
That being said, saying we could beat LSU in BR and they don't have much advantage in talent and then calling Peaches a LSU homer is ridiculous.
I can't believe any State fan is saying we might beat LSU in BR. We've beaten them once in the past 16 or so years, and that win came in Starkville by the slimmest of margins with our best team record wise over a 3 win LSU team. Here's what has happened the last few trips to BR:
1998: L 41-6 -- 4-7 LSU over SEC West champion MSU
2000: L 45-38 -- 8-4 LSU over 8-4 MSU Saban's first year
2002: L 31-13 -- 8-5 LSU over 3-8 MSU
2004: L 51-0 -- 9-3 LSU over 3-8 MSU Croom's first year, Saban's last
2006: L 48-17 -- 11-2 LSU over 3-9 MSU 35-3 at halftime
The only close margin was 2000. The last 3 games have been on JP/LF/Raycom and I was at two of them. If you think we are going down there and beating them you are sadly mistaken. They've owned us for 16 years, and they've hammered us 4 of the last 5 times we went to Tigah Stadium. I grew up despising LSU and would love nothing more than a victory, but you might as well chalk that one up as a loss.</p>
I can't believe any State fan is saying we might beat LSU in BR. We've beaten them once in the past 16 or so years, and that win came in Starkville by the slimmest of margins with our best team record wise over a 3 win LSU team. Here's what has happened the last few trips to BR:
1998: L 41-6 -- 4-7 LSU over SEC West champion MSU
2000: L 45-38 -- 8-4 LSU over 8-4 MSU Saban's first year
2002: L 31-13 -- 8-5 LSU over 3-8 MSU
2004: L 51-0 -- 9-3 LSU over 3-8 MSU Croom's first year, Saban's last
2006: L 48-17 -- 11-2 LSU over 3-9 MSU 35-3 at halftime
The only close margin was 2000. The last 3 games have been on JP/LF/Raycom and I was at two of them. If you think we are going down there and beating them you are sadly mistaken. They've owned us for 16 years, and they've hammered us 4 of the last 5 times we went to Tigah Stadium. I grew up despising LSU and would love nothing more than a victory, but you might as well chalk that one up as a loss.</p>
First of all, we were comparing group YPC. That's significant because you can find a running back here or there with an extremely small amount of carries but a good YPC. On average, which is what you get when you compare a group to another group, you can typically see when there is a large discrepency and thus a large difference in ability.
Secondly, I never said YPC was the end all be all. I did state that it was one of the best ways to judge a RB. We use completion percentage and passer rating to compare QBs, but certainly that doens't work in every single case. Again though, on average it does.
Finally, LSU's running backs averaged 6.5 yards per carry while our's averaged 3.7 yards per carry. LSU's are clearly superior. Anyone arguing against that point is either being a homer or is just plain ignoring facts.
Secondly, I never said YPC was the end all be all. I did state that it was one of the best ways to judge a RB. We use completion percentage and passer rating to compare QBs, but certainly that doens't work in every single case. Again though, on average it does.
Finally, LSU's running backs averaged 6.5 yards per carry while our's averaged 3.7 yards per carry. LSU's are clearly superior. Anyone arguing against that point is either being a homer or is just plain ignoring facts.
when I have to side with Storm. I understand some of you are giddy from the bowl and everything, but our talent level is not on par with LSU. They talk about Murphy being a possible 1st or 2nd round pick in the future. Keiland Williams can outrun the entire Big 10 conference and most of the SEC. And Charles Scott is a load. We dont have a WR even close to Demetrius Byrd. And if Brandon LaFell catches the ball more consistently like he did at the end of the season, their offense is going to be very good aGAIN.
There was a reason we had a scoreless Spring Game, and it wasnt by design. We lack playmakers. Plain and simple.
There was a reason we had a scoreless Spring Game, and it wasnt by design. We lack playmakers. Plain and simple.
Where did I say that I wouldn't want their talent? I root for LSU as well but I can't spit off their roster.
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