Whatever happens with the logo, one thing is certain...
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Bulldoghair
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would 85% be pissed off if we went with my avatar? i don't think so......the m-state logo was forced apon the fan base and when it went on the side of the helmet thats when alot became more vocal. if they got rid of the m-state, i would say at least 85% would be happy
The M State banner? I like the logo in your avitar just fine. In fact, I really like it on the baseball helments. But, you have to admit it is really, really ordinary. Nobody around the country looks at that an instantly thinks Mississippi State. Could be any number of schools. I guess the M-State could be as well.
there are a couple of reasons:
1. M-State is very close to M-stake.
2. It looks like crap.
3. You can barely read the STATE on the banner on the helmets from a distance anyway, so it just looks a big M with a banner. Isn't the point to avoid confusion with people like Ole Miss?, which brings me to...
4. The M looks a lot like Ole Miss's "M", except with a banner in front of it.
5. It doesn't look like a sports logo, it looks like an academic logo. What's wrong with that? Many traditionally academic type schools don't do all that well in football. See Vandy, Duke, Rice, etc. I think it gives the perception that all we care about is academics and could care less about being successful in football. At least the interlocking MSU looked like a sports team logo.
6. LT wanted it- that should be enough right there.
1. M-State is very close to M-stake.
2. It looks like crap.
3. You can barely read the STATE on the banner on the helmets from a distance anyway, so it just looks a big M with a banner. Isn't the point to avoid confusion with people like Ole Miss?, which brings me to...
4. The M looks a lot like Ole Miss's "M", except with a banner in front of it.
5. It doesn't look like a sports logo, it looks like an academic logo. What's wrong with that? Many traditionally academic type schools don't do all that well in football. See Vandy, Duke, Rice, etc. I think it gives the perception that all we care about is academics and could care less about being successful in football. At least the interlocking MSU looked like a sports team logo.
6. LT wanted it- that should be enough right there.
logo is it just doesn't look suitable for sports. It's an ok emblem maybe for a letterhead on a document but needs to stay away from athletics. It looks horrible on helmets. Your avatar (the baseball logo) would seem to me to be the logical and least complicated thing to employ. I'm all for it over anything I've seen. I think it would also look cool as hell on the 50 yard line.
the MS logo on helmets. At least there's no reason why they shouldn't. If there's any logo we have that people around the country would recognize as ours it's that.. or the interlocking MSU. But since we don't seem to have that as an option, why not go with the MS logo? The thing about it being simple might be the primary reason we should have it in the first place. Helmets are supposed to be simple. Look at the rest of the SEC. They're all simple helmets. And they've been simple for years. Most of them are single letters, acronyms, or cursive writing. Ours has a banner and script you can barely read. A BANNER. AND A SCRIPT YOU CAN BARELY READ. If there's any joke helmet in the conference it's ours, hands down. The MS and the MSU are simple, recognizable, and most of all, they look damn good. And it doesn't get more classic than the MS logo from baseball. That's Mississippi State in it's purest form.
Granted, it won't matter what we look like as long as we're playing well. And there's nothing wrong with spending a little money to get some new ideas for a logo, especially if there are printing concerns, different intentions for use, etc... But in my opinion, the results were crap. In terms of our athletic teams, it's time to make our best logo relevant again in our most popular sport. Until I see a new logo that's worth a ****, I'm 100% behind the MS logo if we decide to change our helmets, or any other sport-related look. And I hope we do, soon.
Granted, it won't matter what we look like as long as we're playing well. And there's nothing wrong with spending a little money to get some new ideas for a logo, especially if there are printing concerns, different intentions for use, etc... But in my opinion, the results were crap. In terms of our athletic teams, it's time to make our best logo relevant again in our most popular sport. Until I see a new logo that's worth a ****, I'm 100% behind the MS logo if we decide to change our helmets, or any other sport-related look. And I hope we do, soon.
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">The M looks a lot like Ole Miss's "M", except with a banner in front of it.
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I think that was kind of the point. Ole Miss was looking for a symbol they could use as the Reb was gone and most agreed that the blob was hard to read.
The MSU admin acted to "claim" the Banner M State as Ole Miss was looking to make the Battle M their primary symbol.
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I think that was kind of the point. Ole Miss was looking for a symbol they could use as the Reb was gone and most agreed that the blob was hard to read.
The MSU admin acted to "claim" the Banner M State as Ole Miss was looking to make the Battle M their primary symbol.
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Many people who are not familiar with Mississippi State and maroon can confuse it with Missouri State, Michigan State, Montana State, Minnesota State...etc.
Incorporating Miss. State and a Bulldog will put to rest the guess-work of who M-State is. The 'M' resembles to many other college team's' M's.
I think it is very Weak in appearance and must be revised.</p>
Incorporating Miss. State and a Bulldog will put to rest the guess-work of who M-State is. The 'M' resembles to many other college team's' M's.
I think it is very Weak in appearance and must be revised.</p>
And the "simple" idea that it may go unrecognized is horse ****. It's simple, yes. But we've had this logo around our teams for a long time. We've been wearing shirts and hats with this logo for decades. Logos don't really become recognizable to the rest of the country unless you spell it out for them, which is the easy way out, or until they stand the test of time and/or we achieve some serious success and get all kinds of exposure. We don't need to be changing our logo all the time, unless it's crap, which happens to be the case with M-State. There's nothing wrong with the MS logo. We could use it til the end of time. In years, and with a few more bowl wins, it could be just as recognizable as Auburn's AU, Tennessee's T, Georgia, Green Bay and Grambling's G, and Alabama's digits.
And we're not alone in the battle of achieving a standard logo. In fact, the other MSU, Michigan State, has gone through a number of helmet changes recently too. The "S" they had for a long time was changed to State, and now is just a Spartan, which looks like a knock-off of USC's Trojan. They abandoned their name, initials, etc.. for their mascot. I'm not necessarily opposed to this measure, IF we have a Bulldog logo worthy of a helmet. But I've yet to see one, and for now, I think MS is our best bet.
And we're not alone in the battle of achieving a standard logo. In fact, the other MSU, Michigan State, has gone through a number of helmet changes recently too. The "S" they had for a long time was changed to State, and now is just a Spartan, which looks like a knock-off of USC's Trojan. They abandoned their name, initials, etc.. for their mascot. I'm not necessarily opposed to this measure, IF we have a Bulldog logo worthy of a helmet. But I've yet to see one, and for now, I think MS is our best bet.
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I agree that I like Bulldoghair's avatar on helmets - looks good. The current logo had grown on me, but agree it's really best suited as letterhead and academia and I think it actually looks good on the basketball court. But for the baseball hats and football helmets the avatar wins in my book.
LT has tried to force it on us. One of the three good things that Polk did was protect the baseball hat logo, and the other two are win the SEC Tournament and win a SR in case you're wondering.
The M-State logo should go and stay with basketball. Even when we had the NIKE uniforms, we had the M-State logo at midfield. And then all of a sudden when we don't renew our contract with NIKE, we end up sticking the M-State logo on there instead of going back to the pre-NIKE interlocking MSU. And in baseball, we've had the M-State logo on the sleeve and things like that. And the current "uniforms" that we've been wearing probably were designed with the M-State logo hat in mind. And don't think LT didn't do that on purpose so fans would maybe say, "Hey, you know what our uniforms would look better with an M-State logo hat." (conspiracy theory)
And I can almost guarantee you that if LT was still around, and Polk gone, we would've seen a M-State baseball hat in 2009.
The M-State logo should go and stay with basketball. Even when we had the NIKE uniforms, we had the M-State logo at midfield. And then all of a sudden when we don't renew our contract with NIKE, we end up sticking the M-State logo on there instead of going back to the pre-NIKE interlocking MSU. And in baseball, we've had the M-State logo on the sleeve and things like that. And the current "uniforms" that we've been wearing probably were designed with the M-State logo hat in mind. And don't think LT didn't do that on purpose so fans would maybe say, "Hey, you know what our uniforms would look better with an M-State logo hat." (conspiracy theory)
And I can almost guarantee you that if LT was still around, and Polk gone, we would've seen a M-State baseball hat in 2009.
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Yep. The University seal. I think it looks better than the other proposed alternatives.
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</p>But does it look better than bulldoghair's avatar? That seems to be the real question here. Please.......
Seriously though I like the seal as our helmet logo. It's different and looks a hell of a lot more sophisticated than a big square M with state written across the front of it. It is a little to busy and formal but I'll take busy and formal over bulky and plain any day.
the baseball MS is terrible - I want to get rid of it entirely - you can't even tell what it is.
There are more than 15% that would be upset with it on the side of the football helmets.
This thread feels like genespage
There are more than 15% that would be upset with it on the side of the football helmets.
This thread feels like genespage
I know you guys dislike LT and want to paint the picture that the entire fan base hates the logo and it is all the brain child of LT. However, that is/was not the case. A basketball manager designed the logo. Williams liked it so much he began using it. Stansbury kept it when he took over. It was not used on the football helmet until a coaching change was made. Which it is very common for a new coach to change helmets, jerseys, and logos on helmets (at schools not steep in tradition) when starting. I guarntee if Croom didn't like the logo. It would not be on the helmet.
So, we have basketball coaches and a football coach, who evidently like the logo. Not to mention we have had numerous President's since that time that did nothing to stop the use of the logo. Plus, when you go to games, probably 80% of the fans wearing the colors, have something with the MState logo on it. Also, you guys know good and well that if a certain number of select fans didn't like the logo, it would have vanished when Williams left.
As for LT pushing it onto the baseball hat.........that hasn't happened and I don't get why everyone tries to act like it has. Yes, it is on the baseball uniform. However, a number of schools have a traditional baseball logo on the cap and the official school logo on the jersey. Again, we all know, from the latest episode, if Polk didn't want the logo on the jersey....he would have thrown a fit and LT would have backed off.
So, in conclusion, the fans choose to buy the garb with MState and numerous coaches choose to use it on the uniform. It isn't being forced on anyone.
So, we have basketball coaches and a football coach, who evidently like the logo. Not to mention we have had numerous President's since that time that did nothing to stop the use of the logo. Plus, when you go to games, probably 80% of the fans wearing the colors, have something with the MState logo on it. Also, you guys know good and well that if a certain number of select fans didn't like the logo, it would have vanished when Williams left.
As for LT pushing it onto the baseball hat.........that hasn't happened and I don't get why everyone tries to act like it has. Yes, it is on the baseball uniform. However, a number of schools have a traditional baseball logo on the cap and the official school logo on the jersey. Again, we all know, from the latest episode, if Polk didn't want the logo on the jersey....he would have thrown a fit and LT would have backed off.
So, in conclusion, the fans choose to buy the garb with MState and numerous coaches choose to use it on the uniform. It isn't being forced on anyone.
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he didn't design it, he stole the idea from another schools track squad logo and i think it was Marshall. that is a very generic M and ribbon.
its no secret that LT wanted that logo on everything athletic. Jackie fought him on the issue of the helmeet decal just like polk did about the hats. bringing croom in was an open opportunity for forcing HIS agenda onto the helmets. i dont think croom cared what was on the helmet when he got here, he's not a state guy, so why should he care. now that he's had it on the helmet for 3 years, i'm sure he wouldnt want to change it because he doesnt want to change anything (ex. look at our offense) and look at our uniforms. both boring. i dont he'd care to much about a change as long as the helmets stayed white
again, its forced because of the lack of other choices to buy. look at walmart or hibbets, all m-state
its not on their basketball jerseys that i know of. if it is, i dont even notice it.
again, croom didnt choose it on the uniforms, LT did........and i for one go out of my way not to buy the m-state logo........which now means that i dont buy alot of state stuff anymore because there isn't a whole lot of other options anymore.
would like a big tac-tac-toe board. Too many vertical and horizontal lines converging in a small area.
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I say we just put 12 different logos on the helmet to start the season. Each week we can vote on mstateathletics.com to take one logo off. This would lead up to an incredible climax at the egg bowl to reveal the new logo!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine the tension building as the logos are narrowed down to 4 then 3 then only 2 logos left on the helmet....but then again, that would be the demise of the endless threads...........ok, nvm.
or how bout we just put the awesome "maroon is all that matters" logo on the helmet.
or how bout we just put the awesome "maroon is all that matters" logo on the helmet.
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I think the bulldog's head could be made more size appropriate and definitely change the angle...
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on how the M-State logo came to be or how it ended up on various uniforms because I honestly don't know those stories.
However, this has to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a while:
However, this has to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a while:
What would you have them buy? If they don't buy something with the M-State banner on it, their options are very limited to say the least. Since it is the official logo, it is basically impossible to buy something with the interlocking MSU or something similar.
The last couple of times that I have been, I have bought t-shirts that actually spell out Mississippi State and a cap with the baseball logo. I did buy a couple of things for my kids that had the M-State on it though b/c I really did have no choice. There was nothing (that I could find when I was there) for my kids that didn't have the M-State on it.</p>
Now that is dumb. You say in one post the fans have no choice. But in the next, you admit to a having a choice and not buying the MState clothing on purpose. But I guess you and a couple of others on here are the only ones smart enough to do this. Everyone else buys stuff they really don't like because they are "forced"into it??? That is stupid.
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This is what I actually said:
Very limited is the key part of that sentence. Yes, the fans always have the choice not to buy. However, if they want to or choose to buy, then their selections without the M-State banner are very limited. There's that phrase again. They have a few options of things without the M-State, but they are limited.
What is stupid is how you extracted this from what has been said.
No, what you said is....</p>
Now, you might not agree with my conclusion. Which is fine. However, I have to question your comprehension level if you can not read this thread and understand the accusation is that LT forced a logo on the university and fans. Therefore the university uses and thousands of fans buy a logo they don't like. Which is exactly what the original post I responded to is implying and is ridiculous.
I will try one more time to explain this....not that I believe you will understand.....part of my original point was the majority of the fans like the logo because they buy it/wear it. You say that isn't necessarily true because they have a limited choice. True, the choice is limited. However, at least three posters in this very thread have admited to buying something other than MState clothing because they dislike the MState logo. Which is entirely my point. If others fans dislike the logo that much, they would find alternatives. However, they must not because I see MState at the ballgame on the majority of the fans.
Now, you might not agree with my conclusion. Which is fine. However, I have to question your comprehension level if you can not read this thread and understand the accusation is that LT forced a logo on the university and fans. Therefore the university uses and thousands of fans buy a logo they don't like. Which is exactly what the original post I responded to is implying and is ridiculous.
If everyone likes the old uniforms better, why dont we just take those and either use them again, or tweak them. Hell, even the M-state banner on the old uniorms would be a whole lot better than what we currently have. I dont think the major problem is that. I think the uniforms themselves look like utter ****. The pro socks are stupid, and the uniforms just look terrible. And why cant we have a maroon helmet? Alot of teams use two different helmets for home/away, I just dont see the problem. Who is the person that calls the shots on the uniforms? The coach, AD, or a booster?
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