When the dust settles do you think Clemson will be in the SEC?
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SEC: Clemson, FSU, Va Tech, NC State
SEC gets 2 brand names, and entry into Va and N. Carolina television market.
B1G: UNC, Duke, Miami, GT
B1G gets 3 AAU schools, one national brand name and entry into NC, Georgia and Florida television markets.
Make no mistake, increasing the TV footprint is the big motivation.
SEC: Clemson, FSU, Va Tech, NC State
SEC gets 2 brand names, and entry into Va and N. Carolina television market.
B1G: UNC, Duke, Miami, GT
B1G gets 3 AAU schools, one national brand name and entry into NC, Georgia and Florida television markets.
Make no mistake, increasing the TV footprint is the big motivation.
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I'd give anything to go back to the JP Game of the Week days.
I would replace Miami with UVA. And under your scenarion, I think the B!G could also end up with UND and, maybe, Miami.
I want the scenario that screws clemson the most but I can't see them being left out due to their recent football success.
It’s gonna happen even if it’s a detriment to USC. Being in the SEC is really the only advantage we have over clemmy right now and sets us apart. What’s sad is: when the day comes for clemmy to be proposed for membership politics will be USC’s undoing. There will be SC politicians pushing for it and even USC BOT members pushing for it.
I think the SEC goes after the Arizona schools. Big enrollments; lots of living alumni; good overall programs. Arizona State has almost 75,000 students. Arizona has 7.1 million people and is growing. That is a larger population than most of the SEC states. UPC into the SEC is by no means inevitable. They bring nothing in terms of footprint.
Interesting proposal. It is a long way though but maybe not for Texas, ark or Oklahoma
I like geographic proximity, but the race is on for markets now. Got to get new markets.
If the Big 10 doesn't gobble up the southernmost tier of the Pac-12, I think it's a no-brainer for the SEC to go after those schools.
Which means despite their last two National Championships, The SEC doesn't really need sCUm, especially so when they're considered "as a whole" (i.e., their other sports programs such as Women's B-Ball and Softball, etc.). Not to mention the fact that neither we, nor UGA, nor Auburn really want them within The SEC. JMHOFWIW, but I guess we'll see what we'll see over the next 12 to 24 months +/-.
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That's pretty much it. The conference is under pressure to enlarge itself in all aspects and UPC doesn't do it.
It may be better for us for them to join anyway. They will have to play a good schedule.
Yes, but the league won't be enhanced, in my view. And I'm not knocking UPC. I'm just saying that I don't see how they give the league what the league will be looking for.
NCSU, VT would be nice gets for the SEC...we already have South Carolina, Florida and Charlotte metro covered (TV viewership) so it would make no sense to add Clemson or FSU...
On one podcast I heard the other day from the guest host who was the architect of the Longhorn Network said Clemson, FSU would bring nothing to the table for the SEC...It's all about viewership...he mentioned that the 3:30 CBS spot was a huge money maker...Nationally shown...with huge ratings...
We would add the Raleigh/Durham viewing area with NCSU and the Roanoke, Tidewater, DC areas with VT...
If 2 more were to be added after this, I'm game for WVU and Kansas State or Arizona State
On one podcast I heard the other day from the guest host who was the architect of the Longhorn Network said Clemson, FSU would bring nothing to the table for the SEC...It's all about viewership...he mentioned that the 3:30 CBS spot was a huge money maker...Nationally shown...with huge ratings...
We would add the Raleigh/Durham viewing area with NCSU and the Roanoke, Tidewater, DC areas with VT...
If 2 more were to be added after this, I'm game for WVU and Kansas State or Arizona State
Of those three, I would guess Arizona State would be the choice due to population and growth alone.
DC area is pretty much BIG territory and not just because of Maryland, several large Alumni chapters in and around DC/McLean/ Great Falls area.
I agree. And they give the SEC a toehold in the west to offset soCal/ucla to big 10. If not these two how about the oft mention UVA OR VATech and NC State or UNC. THE SEC is already represented in Florida and South Carolina.
I don’t think so. They bring nothing to the table that is not already in place.
However, I agree with Redd in that this hurts Carolina more than any other move. The Sec, unless abandoned, has had the philosophy of seeking new markets. Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma.
I agree with KingWard that Arizona would be an outstanding addition along with one team from NC and one from Virginia. Make NC State and VATech say no. And Arizona/Arizona State just lost two conference members so one may be ready to listen.
I would think SEC also has large alumni bases there as well...us, Florida, Georgia, Bama, Auburn...
Some feel that the SEC label would be a boost to clemson's recruiting. I would argue that clemson's easy path to the playoffs helps them way more in recruiting than SEC affiliation ever would. There's a reason why Dabo has been so vehement in the past that clemson would "never leave the ACC" .....that "clemson is the ACC", according to Dabo. He knows that he and clemson have it made under the current conferences' set up.
I despise clemson and have mixed emotions about whether I want them in the SEC. NC State and Virginia Tech in the SEC makes the most sense, I'd love for the SEC to bring them in and for UNC, Duke and Virginia to go to the Big 10. Then the remainder of the ACC would become the football version of the old Metro Conference.
I despise clemson and have mixed emotions about whether I want them in the SEC. NC State and Virginia Tech in the SEC makes the most sense, I'd love for the SEC to bring them in and for UNC, Duke and Virginia to go to the Big 10. Then the remainder of the ACC would become the football version of the old Metro Conference.
If the SEC expands, which I personally feel is not necessary but looks inevitable at this point, Clemson will be one of the teams. You can book it.
From sources I have spoken with at this time the SEC is going to stand at 16 teams.
Yes. I have a friend in the broadcasting and media rights field and he seems to think that both the SEC and Big 10 will stay put at 16. There are other new options that are being looked at as well. The NFL as if they needed it got involved with Amazon for Thursday night games. Do not be surprised to see other conferences getting associated with the new media streaming rights. It will happen. Look for things to settle down and then you will see it happen.
If they don't expand now it would be a relief for me. But I'm getting the impression it's turning into an arms race. If you're in a race you don't want to be the slowest.
I'm not directly challenging you in this instance, but from what I've heard (and I've been told "Keep in mind, there is a lot of legal maneuvering, and at the last second it could all fall down) do not be surprised if there is another announcement at the start of just before the season begins.
I respect your viewpoint as well. We shall see where the domino's fall. Remember this Clemson has burnt a lot of bridges over the years and people have not forgotten. Not sure they could get 75% of the required votes from SEC members. But like you said we shall see what happens. I also have heard people say that whatever is best for the conference. The SEC does not need to add anymore members at this time from what I have been told.
I would love for Clemson to have to go through the SEC to get to the playoff. Why is this so hard?
This is happening at a dizzying pace.
www.cbssports.com
Big 12 in deep discussions to add up to six Pac-12 teams after USC, UCLA defections to Big Ten
Big 12 in deep discussions to add up to six Pac-12 teams after USC, UCLA defections to Big Ten
The Big 12 is aiming to maintain its positioning as a power conference while expanding its footprint to a key market
www.cbssports.com
This quote nagged at me. I'm not seeing the advantage.
The money was supposed to be a huge advantage, then it was supposedly playing a tough schedule.
Maybe clemson needs to add this "advantage" to make the teams more equal.
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