Which of our coaches are, or should be, on the hot seat?

[18IsTheMan]

Two obvious ones are White and Teasley. Does Teasley get a pass due to the OL injuries? It seems the OL has maybe made some incremental progress. We had our best overall performance in the rushing game on Saturday, which is positive, and Rattler was only sacked twice. If White is out, does that make other defensive coaches vulnerable? Not sure how much freedom an incoming DC is given to assemble his own staff.

Loggains, of course, is safe. I don't have any major issues with the offensive play calling. The offense has been so hampered by the OL play that's it really hard to judge. And he seems to have unlocked Rattler's potential.

Hardesty? Again, hard to judge b/c of OL play. I think we can probably upgrade here as our RB play over his tenure has not been super impressive. I guess he had the misfortune this year of losing 3 RBs to the portal, so maybe he gets a pass, but I think his overall body of work makes it questionable. Let's see how Anderson does as the primary back down the stretch.

Torrian Gray? We are next to last in the entire nation in pass defense, allowing 337 ypg passing. We were 40th last year and 10th in 2021, so it has gotten progressively worse, but we're also terrible as pressuring QBs this year.

DL play hasn't been great, but it's Travian's first season, so he's safe.

 

[Deleted11512]

Teasley is safe. With the injuries and his first year as OL coach, even though he's been here as an assistant, he's not going anywhere. And that group is improving, so that's a positive. He's also a great recruiter. 247 has him as the primary for Thompson, Pringle, and Franks.

White has to be hottest of all. If Beamer let Satt go after 2 years, surely 3 years for White is sufficient.

Gray is concerning. I thought he was our best assistant on the staff, and has a ridiculous track record. I would say before letting him go we should split the secondary up. I don't think most teams have one guy that coaches both S and CB. But we do. But that means we need to shed another coach. Maybe you get ride of Wright and either let Beamer or Lembo take TEs?

Maybe MoHard. He's been dealt a tough hand. In a matter of months he had 2 guys transfer out and lost a 3rd to medical hardship. The pickup of Mario was a steal. I'm most concerned about personnel decisions. Was it him that had Bell taking reps from Lloyd last year? Was it him that had DK & JuJu taking reps from Mario this year? If the answer is yes, then he has to go.

 

[Psycock]

Teasley?? Have you seen the OL commits we have?? That would be insane.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Teasley?? Have you seen the OL commits we have?? That would be insane.

Not saying he should be. Just throwing all the options out there. OL has overall been abysmal this year and his promotion was questionable at the time. OL seems to be taking some baby steps forward, though.

 

[Deleted11512]

Teasley?? Have you seen the OL commits we have?? That would be insane.

Yeah, he's going to get his chance to coach his dudes, as he should.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If the season goes as it's trending, everyone should be under the microscope. I think Loggains has proved his worth with Rattler's stellar play. He seems to have unlocked something with him. And it's not hard to see how the OL would be vastly improved if we had an OL and if Juice had not been unavailable this season.

Otherwise, no position group has performed well enough to give immunity to other coaches.

 

[Viennacock]

Not saying he should be. Just throwing all the options out there. OL has overall been abysmal this year and his promotion was questionable at the time. OL seems to be taking some baby steps forward, though.

If we're throwing all options out there, you are missing our DL coach. Our DL has been bad. How about Pete L.? Special teams has been suspect. You giving these guys a free pass?

Bottom line- the entire defense stinks. There is one guy that oversees the defense. He is likely a dead man walking. All others are safe on both sides of the ball and ST's.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If we're throwing all options out there, you are missing our DL coach. Our DL has been bad. How about Pete L.? Special teams has been suspect. You giving these guys a free pass?

Bottom line- the entire defense stinks. There is one guy that oversees the defense. He is likely a dead man walking. All others are safe on both sides of the ball and ST's.

See my post immediately prior to yours.

 

[Prestonyte]

The man overseeing the defensive scheme and plan needs to go.
Dabo went and got Venables - we need to make the same type of move.

 

[Sparklecity]

To save ink lets do which ones aren't

 

[18IsTheMan]

The man overseeing the defensive scheme and plan needs to go.
Dabo went and got Venables - we need to make the same type of move.

White is a no-brainer. Everyone agrees on that. 100%

Hardesty has had 3 years and the run game hasn't improved in that time. I'd say 85% he's gone.

I know it's Teasley's first year and the OL has had injuries and he recruits well, but the OL has been so, so, so bad, I don't see how his position doesn't at least get evaluated. When you're dead last nationally in sacks allowed (and, yeah, yeah, I know not every sack is on the OL. blah blah blah) there's gotta be an evaluation. I'd call this one 65% he's gone. If Pittman should come available, Shane should make the big boy move to get him.

We've used the "he recruits well" excuse for retaining under-performing coaches in the past, usually with poor results.

If we were Bama, Each of these guys would be 100%. Saban don't mess around.

 

[Deleted11512]

White is a no-brainer. Everyone agrees on that. 100%

Hardesty has had 3 years and the run game hasn't improved in that time. I'd say 85% he's gone.

I know it's Teasley's first year and the OL has had injuries and he recruits well, but the OL has been so, so, so bad, I don't see how his position doesn't at least get evaluated. When you're dead last nationally in sacks allowed (and, yeah, yeah, I know not every sack is on the OL. blah blah blah) there's gotta be an evaluation. I'd call this one 65% he's gone. If Pittman should come available, Shane should make the big boy move to get him.

We've used the "he recruits well" excuse for retaining under-performing coaches in the past, usually with poor results.

If we were Bama, Each of these guys would be 100%. Saban don't mess around.

0% chance Teasley is gone. He inherited a talent deprived OL with no depth, that had lost 2 starters for the season by the first snap of the first game. Saban also has a line out his door of coaches wanting to be on his staff. Their OL sucks too, so if Pittman is gone, I guarantee you Saban is going to have an official waiting at Sam's car on the way out.

White, MoHard, and Wright would be my three. And Wright mostly just bc we should eliminate the TE coach position so we can add a defensive coach in the secondary. Wright has coached RBs in the past, so you could slide him over if Logg/Beamer think he's that valuable.

 

[18IsTheMan]

0% chance Teasley is gone. He inherited a talent deprived OL with no depth, that had lost 2 starters for the season by the first snap of the first game. Saban also has a line out his door of coaches wanting to be on his staff. Their OL sucks too, so if Pittman is gone, I guarantee you Saban is going to have an official waiting at Sam's car on the way out.

White, MoHard, and Wright would be my three. And Wright mostly just bc we should eliminate the TE coach position so we can add a defensive coach in the secondary. Wright has coached RBs in the past, so you could slide him over if Logg/Beamer think he's that valuable.

I think any position coach who has the worst-performing group in the entire nation should be, at a minimum, under scrutiny. But, that's why we don't play big-boy football.

 

[Deleted11512]

I think any position coach who has the worst-performing group in the entire nation should be, at a minimum, under scrutiny. But, that's why we don't play big-boy football.

Big boy football or dumb football?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Big boy football or dumb football?

We play nice and sweet. Always have. Always will. That’s why we’re the lovable losers.

There’s bad. There’s worst in the conference. There’s worst in P5. Then there’s worst nationally.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Big boy football or dumb football?

So, in your opinion, if Pittman were to become unavailable, and we had a chance to get him, we should not even consider it? Even though he’s an undeniable upgrade at that position. In your opinion, that would be dumb?

 

[Deleted11512]

So, in your opinion, if Pittman were to become unavailable, and we had a chance to get him, we should not even consider it? Even though he’s an undeniable upgrade at that position. In your opinion, that would be dumb?

Oh, we should absolutely consider it. But he's not just going to fire a dude who's had the job for less than a year and start a search. Much different scenario if Pittman is fired, calls his old buddy Shane and says "hey man, i can help you. lets get this thang back on track". If Beamer were to decline, he would be dumber than any of his haters ever imagined.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Oh, we should absolutely consider it. But he's not just going to fire a dude who's had the job for less than a year and start a search. Much different scenario if Pittman is fired, calls his old buddy Shane and says "hey man, i can help you. lets get this thang back on track". If Beamer were to decline, he would be dumber than any of his haters ever imagined.

And that's really all I'm saying. Again, I think you at least have to evaluate the position. When you have, without exaggeration, the worst unit in the country, I think you have be scrutinized. I'm sure Beamer will come to the conclusion that it's his first year and the OL was riddled with injuries, but I don't know how you don't at least look at it. And, I agree, I would not dismiss him unless Beamer had a surefire upgrade already locked in. If there's no guaranteed upgrade, then stick with continuity.

This is a hundred million dollar enterprise. We're not talking about busboy at your local meat and three. With how college football has gone, things have to be cutthroat sometimes. Let's be honest, though, Teasley was a questionable in-house promotion to begin with. He was hired from North Carolina Central to be an offensive analyst and promoted to the on-field role after Adkins health issues. Beamer should have gone out and gotten a proven entity at OL coach. He didn't and we are where we are and I'm sure Teasley will get the benefit of the doubt.

But I believe if Beamer can make an upgrade, he should. It's always a roll of the dice with an unproven coach. You roll the dice and give him another year and if the OL is still disastrous next year, you're in a position where you have no choice but to make a move.

 

[Deleted11512]

And that's really all I'm saying. Again, I think you at least have to evaluate the position. When you have, without exaggeration, the worst unit in the country, I think you have be scrutinized. I'm sure Beamer will come to the conclusion that it's his first year and the OL was riddled with injuries, but I don't know how you don't at least look at it. And, I agree, I would not dismiss him unless Beamer had a surefire upgrade already locked in. If there's no guaranteed upgrade, then stick with continuity.

This is a hundred million dollar enterprise. We're not talking about busboy at your local meat and three. With how college football has gone, things have to be cutthroat sometimes. Let's be honest, though, Teasley was a questionable in-house promotion to begin with. He was hired from North Carolina Central to be an offensive analyst and promoted to the on-field role after Adkins health issues. Beamer should have gone out and gotten a proven entity at OL coach. He didn't and we are where we are and I'm sure Teasley will get the benefit of the doubt.

But I believe if Beamer can make an upgrade, he should. It's always a roll of the dice with an unproven coach. You roll the dice and give him another year and if the OL is still disastrous next year, you're in a position where you have no choice but to make a move.

Agree. It was a risky move to begin with. He is addressing the talent level on the OL though. But I do agree, if you think you can better your organization you do it.

Funny story. Years ago I'm in my bosses office during a 1-1. I see a resume on his desk for someone in my position. We had a good relationship, so I say "WTF is this??!!". He laughs, and says "exploratory interview. I interview all year long for all positions. If I see an opportunity I'll take it". I'll tell you what, it certainly changed some of my work habits! Not that I was bad, but he wasn't going to find someone better than me. And he didn't. I always wondered if he did that on purpose, but never asked him.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The thing Beamer must do is evaluate areas where we can upgrade NOW. Can we upgrade RB coach? Can we upgrade DC? Can we upgrade OL coach? Can we upgrade S&C coach? I think the obvious answer to all is: Yes.

I know most think Teasley gets a pass b/c it's his first year and the OL was ravaged by injuries, but the job was a total gift for him and an extremely questionable internal promotion at the time. It doesn't appear Beamer even evaluated outside options. If Pittman is available, that's an absolute no-brainer. If Arky let's him go before the end of the season and we back our way into a bowl game, get him in here ASAP. Even if PIttman is not available, though, Beamer needs to be looking for upgrades. We need a guy who has pedigree at OL.

 

[NYC_Gamecock]

Hot Seat Order: 1) Clayton White 2) Montario Hardesty 3) Lonnie Teasley and 4) Justin Stepp.

 

[gamecox4982]

For what they get paid, ALL of them. Don’t give Beamer a pass, he hired all of these guys.

 

[Jonesz2]

Two obvious ones are White and Teasley. Does Teasley get a pass due to the OL injuries? It seems the OL has maybe made some incremental progress. We had our best overall performance in the rushing game on Saturday, which is positive, and Rattler was only sacked twice. If White is out, does that make other defensive coaches vulnerable? Not sure how much freedom an incoming DC is given to assemble his own staff.

Loggains, of course, is safe. I don't have any major issues with the offensive play calling. The offense has been so hampered by the OL play that's it really hard to judge. And he seems to have unlocked Rattler's potential.

Hardesty? Again, hard to judge b/c of OL play. I think we can probably upgrade here as our RB play over his tenure has not been super impressive. I guess he had the misfortune this year of losing 3 RBs to the portal, so maybe he gets a pass, but I think his overall body of work makes it questionable. Let's see how Anderson does as the primary back down the stretch.

Torrian Gray? We are next to last in the entire nation in pass defense, allowing 337 ypg passing. We were 40th last year and 10th in 2021, so it has gotten progressively worse, but we're also terrible as pressuring QBs this year.

DL play hasn't been great, but it's Travian's first season, so he's safe.

Beamer. It’s all on his watch

 

[18IsTheMan]

Beamer. It’s all on his watch

Well, that’s not how the system works.

 

[Jonesz2]

Well, that’s not how the system works.

I know. The system says. So and so is a great coach. The players love him. He is a great recruiter. He just needs time.