Whoa, whoa, whoa: Harbor Part II

[18IsTheMan]

Sorry to start another Harbor thread, but I think it's a relevant enough question.

Let me get this straight....the argument is "Harbor's never played WR. You can't expect him to learn it in a few months."

This staff took a QB-turned-WR and converted him into a RB and had him STARTING at RB for Game 1, after having only practiced the position for a few months. He sucks at it, but they still keep putting him out there to play the position. They also took our second string QB and having him playing at WR..

That same staff can't get Harbor ready to contribute, basically at all, at WR, even though he is unquestionably a far superior athlete than either of the above? I can't imagine Harbor would be worse at WR than Joyner is at RB.

 

[Deleted11512]

Sorry to start another Harbor thread, but I think it's a relevant enough question.

Let me get this straight....the argument is "Harbor's never played WR. You can't expect him to learn it in a few months."

This staff took a QB-turned-WR and converted him into a RB and had him STARTING at RB for Game 1, after having only practiced the position for a few months. He sucks at it, but they still keep putting him out there to play the position. They also took our second string QB and having him playing at WR..

That same staff can't get Harbor ready to contribute, basically at all, at WR, even though he is unquestionably a far superior athlete than either of the above? I can't imagine Harbor would be worse at WR than Joyner is at RB.

Completely different situations...QBs have to know how to read coverages and have to know the routes, which is why Doty is in there. He knows all of that and knows the offense. Same for DK. The QBs basically have to know what everyone's job is on every play. Harbor is also an 18 year old kid, Doty and DK are like 38 by now.

 

[Prestonyte]

If redshirt has been the plan all along, and Harbor is completely on board with it, why not make that public?
Maybe Harbor and his parents, who were heavily involved in recruitment, chose SC because he wouldn't be pushed and given time to grow into college life/sports and Beamer agreed to those terms. Oregon may not have been so agreeable???

 

[18IsTheMan]

Completely different situations...QBs have to know how to read coverages and have to know the routes, which is why Doty is in there. He knows all of that and knows the offense. Same for DK. The QBs basically have to know what everyone's job is on every play. Harbor is also an 18 year old kid, Doty and DK are like 38 by now.

I just don't see it.

We took a graduate assistant and made him a starting QB in a matter of a few weeks.

We took a QB-turned-WR and made him a starting RB in a matter of months.

We took our backup QB and made him a WR.

But they can't get Harbor to be a functional WR at all? I'm not saying even a starting WR. Just contribute in some way at all.

 

[Deleted11512]

I just don't see it.

We took a graduate assistant and made him a starting QB in a matter of a few weeks.

We took a QB-turned-WR and made him a starting RB in a matter of months.

We took our backup QB and made him a WR.

But they can't get Harbor to be a functional WR at all? I'm not saying even a starting WR. Just contribute in some way at all.

B/c you're painting it with a broad brush. That GA had spent 4 years playing QB at the college level. He's playing, but he not creating any separation and not getting open. You just want to throw it to a guy still learning the position when he's covered up? I don't.

 

[Deleted11512]

If redshirt has been the plan all along, and Harbor is completely on board with it, why not make that public?
Maybe Harbor and his parents, who were heavily involved in recruitment, chose SC because he wouldn't be pushed and given time to grow into college life/sports and Beamer agreed to those terms. Oregon may not have been so agreeable???

He's played in all 5 games. RS wasn't on the table. But the Harbor's seem like level headed people that just want the best for their son, and Nyck seems the same way. Forcing the ball to him wouldn't benefit him right now. The last thing they want is "Harbor is a bust!!" getting blasted everywhere.

 

[rkierstead8]

If redshirt has been the plan all along, and Harbor is completely on board with it, why not make that public?
Maybe Harbor and his parents, who were heavily involved in recruitment, chose SC because he wouldn't be pushed and given time to grow into college life/sports and Beamer agreed to those terms. Oregon may not have been so agreeable???

A redshirt isn't the plan. He has played a good bit, he just isn't open, thus doesn't get targets. In the Furman game, he was the primary target on Sellers' deep touchdown pass, but he wasn't open. The lesser recruited Tyshawn Russell, who has played WR for a while was. so he got the ball.

 

[rkierstead8]

He's played in all 5 games. RS wasn't on the table. But the Harbor's seem like level headed people that just want the best for their son, and Nyck seems the same way. Forcing the ball to him wouldn't benefit him right now. The last thing they want is "Harbor is a bust!!" getting blasted everywhere.

You beat me to it by a few seconds!

 

[Gradstudent]

Well as far as the running backs coach, playing Dak, maybe he played him because he thinks he is a mix of Alvin Kamara, Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor. I think he was off in his evaluation.

I sure miss Coach Thomas Brown as our running back coach, he was elite, and of course is now OC in the NFL


From a April interview.

Given Joyner’s ability to play so many roles, no wonder, there doesn’t appear to be a perfect 1 to 1 comparison.

“He does a little bit of everything,” Hardesty said. “So it’s kind of like, ‘Ah… do I put him with Kamara to show him that routes come out of the backfield? Do I put him with Jacobs because he’s physical and runs between the tackles? Do I put him with Jonathan Taylor because he’s explosive and does those things?’ With DK, it’s kind of a mix right now, I’ve kind of been going back and forth but I’m actually going to start those and have those things ready for the guys this year coming up.”

 

[18IsTheMan]

B/c you're painting it with a broad brush. That GA had spent 4 years playing QB at the college level. He's playing, but he not creating any separation and not getting open. You just want to throw it to a guy still learning the position when he's covered up? I don't.

Reports out of fall camp were that he was making our DBs look silly.

 

[Deleted11512]

Reports out of fall camp were that he was making our DBs look silly.

I could have missed them, but I don't recall that at all. He wasn't even practicing full time due to track.

 

[Deleted11512]

Well as far as the running backs coach, playing Dak, maybe he played him because he thinks he is a mix of Alvin Kamara, Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor. I think he was off in his evaluation.

I sure miss Coach Thomas Brown as our running back coach, he was elite, and of course is now OC in the NFL


From a April interview.

Given Joyner’s ability to play so many roles, no wonder, there doesn’t appear to be a perfect 1 to 1 comparison.

“He does a little bit of everything,” Hardesty said. “So it’s kind of like, ‘Ah… do I put him with Kamara to show him that routes come out of the backfield? Do I put him with Jacobs because he’s physical and runs between the tackles? Do I put him with Jonathan Taylor because he’s explosive and does those things?’ With DK, it’s kind of a mix right now, I’ve kind of been going back and forth but I’m actually going to start those and have those things ready for the guys this year coming up.”

Yikes!! Maybe he looked like that against our D!!

 

[18IsTheMan]

I could have missed them, but I don't recall that at all. He wasn't even practicing full time due to track.

It's in there from Stepp. Nothing in this video makes it sound the least bit like he was having trouble picking up the position. Said he was making everyone better...other WRs and DBs. Now he can't even grasp the position?

 

[Deleted11512]

It's in there from Stepp. Nothing in this video makes it sound the least bit like he was having trouble picking up the position. Said he was making everyone better...other WRs and DBs. Now he can't even grasp the position?

Coach speak?? Trying to build his confidence? Maybe our D sucks? No idea. But the numbers don't lie. Worst graded WR we have.

 

[kidrobinski]

I could have missed them, but I don't recall that at all. He wasn't even practicing full time due to track.

Yeah, you apparently missed them.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Worst graded WR we have.

Then it's coaching.

 

[kidrobinski]

A redshirt isn't the plan. He has played a good bit, he just isn't open, thus doesn't get targets. In the Furman game, he was the primary target on Sellers' deep touchdown pass, but he wasn't open. The lesser recruited Tyshawn Russell, who has played WR for a while was. so he got the ball.

You do a disservice to Sellers on that play. Both he and Harbor came in (and don't think Furman didn't know it), Sellars looked left (at Harbor because everyone else was, another advantage of having him out there) then hit the fly to Russell.

QB101, perfectly executed. I'm sure you may have seen some post game chuckles about Harbor not being open, but no.

 

[Prestonyte]

A redshirt isn't the plan. He has played a good bit, he just isn't open, thus doesn't get targets. In the Furman game, he was the primary target on Sellers' deep touchdown pass, but he wasn't open. The lesser recruited Tyshawn Russell, who has played WR for a while was. so he got the ball.

Surely there is an isolation play where Nych's speed tests the opponent's secondary, but I know the OL blocking doesn't give much time for this to develop. Hopefully Nych and Sellers are developing a rapport/timing as the next big offensive weapon with repetitions in practice.

 

[Deleted11512]

Then it's coaching.

Josh Vann was a bust until Stepp got here
Jalen Brooks was an unknown FCS transfer
Juice was a FCS transfer
XL was a lowly recruited, little producing player

They've shown an ability to coach up players. I don't think they just forgot how to do it.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Josh Vann was a bust until Stepp got here
Jalen Brooks was an unknown FCS transfer
Juice was a FCS transfer
XL was a lowly recruited, little producing player

They've shown an ability to coach up players. I don't think they just forgot how to do it.

Then why are we so woefully deficient at the position? Juice is out, but were supposed to be loaded at WR.

 

[Deleted11512]

Then why are we so woefully deficient at the position? Juice is out, but were supposed to be loaded at WR.

AB missed 3 games as well, and wasn't 100% last week. So 2 of our top 3 WRs have either been out or hampered with injuries. Blake has stepped up and looked pretty good, as has Lewis at times. But I am puzzled at Doty getting PT over Lewis. That one is surprising.

 

[rkierstead8]

You do a disservice to Sellers on that play. Both he and Harbor came in (and don't think Furman didn't know it), Sellars looked left (at Harbor because everyone else was, another advantage of having him out there) then hit the fly to Russell.

QB101, perfectly executed. I'm sure you may have seen some post game chuckles about Harbor not being open, but no.

My comments didn't say anything regarding seller's ability, so I don't think I did him a disservice. He made a great read and throw. Overall an excellent play.

My only point is that Harbor was covered and if I'm not mistaken they had the safety on that side of the field over his route.

The poster I quoted was making it sound as though Harbor hadn't played at all and was alluding to him possibly redshirting. He's not redshirting, he's played, and he's been targeted , he just hasn't been open consistely enough for most people watching the game to notice that he's even on the field.... hence why this thread comes up 2-3 times per week.

 

[Deleted11512]

My comments didn't say anything regarding seller's ability, so I don't think I did him a disservice. He made a great read and throw. Overall an excellent play.

My only point is that Harbor was covered and if I'm not mistaken they had the safety on that side of the field over his route.

The poster I quoted was making it sound as though Harbor hadn't played at all and was alluding to him possibly redshirting. He's not redshirting, he's played, and he's been targeted , he just hasn't been open consistely enough for most people watching the game to notice that he's even on the field.... hence why this thread comes up 2-3 times per week.

You are 100% correct.

 

[18IsTheMan]

So this staff has a QB playing WR, a QB-turned-WR playing RB and they recruited a guy to play WR even though he has no discernible skill at the position?

 

[Deleted11512]

So this staff has a QB playing WR, a QB-turned-WR playing RB and they recruited a guy to play WR even though he has no discernible skill at the position?

Yes. I'll put it this way. If Usain Bolt came out and said "I want to play football", he would have NFL teams falling all over themselves to sign him. We didn't sign Harbor to a superstar WR as a freshman. I don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yes. I'll put it this way. If Usain Bolt came out and said "I want to play football", he would have NFL teams falling all over themselves to sign him. We didn't sign Harbor to a superstar WR as a freshman. I don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

It seems to me like we may have some issues with personnel evaluation.

 

[Deleted11512]

It seems to me like we may have some issues with personnel evaluation.

If they brought him in thinking he was going to be an instant impact, yes. But that's not the case. We signed him for his potential, just like everyone else was trying to do.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Yes. I'll put it this way. If Usain Bolt came out and said "I want to play football", he would have NFL teams falling all over themselves to sign him. We didn't sign Harbor to a superstar WR as a freshman. I don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

Does anybody know how much he's being paid to learn on the job? I'd love to see him on one side of the defense and Dylan Stewart on the other.

 

[Celtic Riot]

Sorry to start another Harbor thread, but I think it's a relevant enough question.

Let me get this straight....the argument is "Harbor's never played WR. You can't expect him to learn it in a few months."

This staff took a QB-turned-WR and converted him into a RB and had him STARTING at RB for Game 1, after having only practiced the position for a few months. He sucks at it, but they still keep putting him out there to play the position. They also took our second string QB and having him playing at WR..

That same staff can't get Harbor ready to contribute, basically at all, at WR, even though he is unquestionably a far superior athlete than either of the above? I can't imagine Harbor would be worse at WR than Joyner is at RB.

Yes, a player with a ton of college experience.

 

[gamecox4982]

Ya’ll do know that memorizing football plays isn’t that hard. I mean there’s only so many things one can do on any given play. Get your best players the ball in space and let them make a play.

 

[Forkcock]

Remember this guy? I do.

Renaldo Nehemiah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kidrobinski]

Remember this guy? I do.

Renaldo Nehemiah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sure do. 6’1”, 181 lbs. Didn't play football in college.

Harbor is 6’5”, 241 lbs.

Remember this guy? I do.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hayes

 

[will110]

Reports out of fall camp were that he was making our DBs look silly.

I don't remember seeing any reports like that. I do remember Beamer pumping the brakes on the Harbor hype saying he'd have to grow into his role. I also remember the GCC insiders doing the same thing. I also remember Harbor being banged up and not even practicing for a lot of fall camp.

 

[Forkcock]

Reports out of fall camp were that he was making our DBs look silly.

Can you provide links to some of those reports? I’d love to see who made those comments.

 

[KingWard]

Sorry to start another Harbor thread, but I think it's a relevant enough question.

Let me get this straight....the argument is "Harbor's never played WR. You can't expect him to learn it in a few months."

This staff took a QB-turned-WR and converted him into a RB and had him STARTING at RB for Game 1, after having only practiced the position for a few months. He sucks at it, but they still keep putting him out there to play the position. They also took our second string QB and having him playing at WR..

That same staff can't get Harbor ready to contribute, basically at all, at WR, even though he is unquestionably a far superior athlete than either of the above? I can't imagine Harbor would be worse at WR than Joyner is at RB.

Your impugning of the logic on our coaching staff is well founded.

 

[Johncock]

Your impugning of the logic on our coaching staff is well founded.

Indeed.

 

[Johncock]

If they brought him in thinking he was going to be an instant impact, yes. But that's not the case. We signed him for his potential, just like everyone else was trying to do.

Were going to see his potential enter the transfer portal…

 

[Deleted11512]

Were going to see his potential enter the transfer portal…

 

[Forkcock]

Nothing in this fall camp report said anything about Nyck dominating our D. It’s a positive article though. Can someone post links to articles that said he was dominant?

https://www.si.com/college/southcarolina/football/nyckoles-harbor-exuding-toughness-for-south-carolina-football

 

[Deleted11512]

Nothing in this fall camp report said anything about Nyck dominating our D. It’s a positive article though. Can someone post links to articles that said he was dominant?

https://www.si.com/college/southcarolina/football/nyckoles-harbor-exuding-toughness-for-south-carolina-football

I asked the same thing and a video was posted that just talked about his speed, how he was a hard worker, a good kid, etc…I never heard anything about him being dominant.