Understood but people find negatives everywhere they can.
I’m not one of those guys finding negatives, but just devils advocate. He had half the ABs in 2021, so chances are he’d have hit around 10 bombs had he played the whole time. So, modest improvement.
So you are saying it’s not on the coaches?
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1 guy doesn’t mean anything.
I started the thread around perception.
When one of your veteran players, who is supposed to be one of your top guys in the middle of the order, is hitting in the low to mid .200’s, that’s a negative. Going from really $hitty to mildly $hitty is still $hitty.
Let’s see if he is really $hitty at the end of the year.
No kidding… I honestly don’t care that much about an individual players improvement year over year and I suspect others don’t either. That sort of stuff starts getting picked apart because we simply are not winning enough. If we only had say 2 losses at this point, there wouldn’t be post like this or post talking about the development of players.
Is this really true? I think a lot of statisticians have debunked the whole 'clutch' thing. It's basically just bad luck.
Yes that proves what I’m saying. Sometimes players have ****** years.
You basically just said what I said in my original post.
No argument that .257 is an improvement over .237. I would argue however that .257 is still not close to the BA you've got to have from your right fielder. He did have a big HR yesterday but still hitting .205
I think that's true. I enjoy watching State baseball and I'm just wondering why we're not all that good again this year. It's still early but so far I'm not optimistic. I know it's about pitching again but maybe, just maybe, there's some issue with player development overall. Lemonis has a Natty and some CWS appearances. He can coach. So what are the issues? I really don't know. For the record I like Clark. Couldn't he be coached up to hit around 300?
That's kind of a rigid argument, that I don't really buy. You're getting big numbers from 4 other guys. Generally you get 80% of the production out of 20% of the lineup, which is about 2 guys. You've got Ledbetter and Amani with outstanding OPS, and they are at CF and 2B. Who cares? If he plays the position well and still rakes, doesn't matter what some 1987 baseball myth says.
This is what I was getting at in post #4. My theory is that a lot of these year-round travel ball guys have been coached up so much that they are maxed out. Many of them were held back so they are older and more mature. They come in and start as freshmen, but they never really make a big jump. Other examples are Hines, Forty. In the past, you have Kamren James that I would put in this territory. Sometimes they can get around 300, sometimes they can't. And it's not rigid either. Heck even Jake Mangum. He got here and played the same for 4 years, of course, hard to make a jump from his average, but it's not like he added a bunch of power or anything.
agreed
I think the perception on Kellum is because he finished his freshman year hot. I think most people, me included, were hoping that that was his new baseline and he'd hopefully make a jump from there. Instead, it felt like he declined although even that may just be on the timeliness of his hits in 2021. I'm not sure he really hit better than .257 in the post season.
For whatever reason a lot of people were expecting Clark to be the next great MSU hitter like Renfroe or Rooker. At worst people thought he should be hitting .280ish with minimum 15 HRs after some time in the program. He hit about the same amount of HRs based on his plate appearances, but only hit 20 points better. Definitely not the jump people hoped for. So that's why people would use him as an example. He's basically the same player he was 2 years ago --- his average is going to fluctuate 0.250 +/- .025 throughout the year.
According to some it is always coaching. JWS said all you can do is prepare and hope they perform the way you prepared them. I'm not saying the coach is not partially to blame but I don't think we would recruit that many bad pitchers. I still think there is something else wrong with the arms we have. We hit and score but walk batters and give up hits like crazy in critical situations For example, this past weekend how many times we were close to getting "that" pitch for an out when we gave up the hit?
I don't know why. His career wasn't similar to theirs' in the least.
