Would you expect anything less? SOS on fsu…
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He understands. And he's correct. We play UPC anyway, but if we played them in-conference, it would make an easier OOC opponent possible. That becomes even more desirable when we go to nine games.
Wait a minute, I thought the majority on here don't want Clemson to join the SEC.
BtW: I think he's right, bring in those 3, add 1 and call it a day.
BtW: I think he's right, bring in those 3, add 1 and call it a day.
That's why I would not have any problem with clemson in the SEC. And just as importantly, clemson's cupcake path to the playoffs would be OVER. All that being said, I still enjoy watching clemson twisting in the wind and their fans having a nervous breakdown over the issue. So, it's a "win-win" to me.
I do too and always will. And for those who were upset about how his tenure here ended: get over it. He wanted to leave sooner but, was talked out of it. With 3 consecutive national Top 10 rankings, including number 4 in the nation, he proved that South Carolina can win big in football. And that proof is helping Shane's recruiting.
Ain't ashamed of it...me too....love HBC.
The twisting in the wind is what I am missing. I told you I won't go to taternet, but there are other boards that can be perused, and some of the people running those boards seem WAY too comfortable for my liking.
There's a faction at least, that thinks they have their landing spot lined up. It's one of the reasons I'm skeptical of the "they are locked in by the gor" talk.
Brother, they don't know anything just like we don't know anything. If they wind up being correct, it's just like the old broken clock that winds up being correct twice a day.
Anybody that tells you they know anything is FOS.
But I’m here for the squirming. I hope it drags out until 2035.
They would be ecstatic with an SEC invite. That is reason enough to keep them out. FSU had a chance to join the conference in the `90`s and declined when Bobby Bowden didn`t want play that schedule. Let them agonize and end up with some combination of East coast/West coast - sure throw in SMU that will be a great rivalry - and crash. C`mon SEC don`t bail them out! Best conference, as everyone knows, without expanding further.
That’s the only reason I don’t want them in…bc they want it. I don’t want them to have anything they want.
I understand, but when my thinking gets more visceral than cerebral, I try to regain some pragmatism.
I won't take the time to quote many of them, just the most recent (yesterday) by "newnan":
"Very few options for Clemson".
1. ND joins the ACC.
2. One of the other conferences takes 8 ACC schools breaking the GOR if legally possible.
3. A merger with the Big 12.
4. The SEC and the Big 10 split up the ACC desolving (think he meant "dissolving") the conference. Maybe the Big 12 as well.
5. Clemson reaches a buyout deal with the ACC and is excepted {think he meant "accepted".....(Clemson education strikes again LOL)} into one of the other conferences.
6. Clemson rides out the next how many other years in the ACC and joins the SEC. Reducing the buyout.
Trust me when I say I rarely read Taternet. But sometimes (like now) it's good for getting some laughs.
For what it's worth, I believe numbers 4 and 6 are "newnan's" most realistic options.
In response to "newnan", one Clemson fan (alloran) this morning said he'd donate "$100 bucks to help buy us out of this nutless conference we're in".
Another Clemson fan (djones73) responded this morning that "we may have to ride it out".
Hey, if you can't laugh at Clemson's predicament, then you don't have a sense of humor. It's good to laugh.
Saw a special last night on one of the greatest musical groups ever, the Bee Gees. The outcome for Clemson is going to be one of 2 Bee Gee songs: 1. "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?" or 2. "Stayin Alive".
Another Clemson fan (djones73) responded this morning that "we may have to ride it out".
Hey, if you can't laugh at Clemson's predicament, then you don't have a sense of humor. It's good to laugh.
Saw a special last night on one of the greatest musical groups ever, the Bee Gees. The outcome for Clemson is going to be one of 2 Bee Gee songs: 1. "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?" or 2. "Stayin Alive".
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''newnan's'' obviously took Creative Writing/Spelling at ClemTech
Hopefully they take a long pony ride before SEC makes that move
Okay, you're reading taternet, which I don't. Maybe that's why the discrepancy.
Maybe it's just the administrator of the other site putting in a good face to calm his posters too.
I will say this, the posters show more angst, and it seems the administrator is doing the " I can't tell you, but trust me" type of posts.
Does anyone believe that if Clemson and FSU went to their athletic donor base and said "we need to raise dues X dollars per year for 5 years or even 10 years to make up for the cost to leave the ACC for the SEC", that their fans would balk? I don't for even one second. Most of their fans would crawl naked to Birmingham if that's what it took. We all know that. I believe that the problem is that Clemson and the Noles don't have a landing place. I SUSPECT that there's a silent pact between us, Florida, Kentucky AND GEORGIA to keep out the other's rival. In my first job out of school, I worked for a Georgia alumnus. He hated Georgia Tech. And do you believe Georgia sees any advantage to having FSU and Clemson, which are at its borders, in the SEC? I don't. If anything, it's to their disadvantage. Consequently, I think the Noles and Clemson are lacking for a landing place.
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I don't know what anybody's thinking. I think a grassroots effort to raise the kind of money they would need would not be successful.
I'm fine with them coming in for the reasons I previously stated. But I feel certain I'm in the minority. Regardless, the roadblocks within the conference I believe would be insurmountable.
I’m now more convinced than ever that Clemson and FSU won’t be staying in the ACC. I don’t think it will happen buy Tuesday though. it will happen by next august 15th. To many analyst and reports for it to be smoke. Colin cowherd said in an interview today it would happen in the next 18 months and said it like everyone knew it and it wasn’t anything to it.
They are not getting left out in the cold. Anyone who things that is wishful thinking. They will be in the big 10 or sec. I don’t care about the AAU. I’m smart enough to know that if FOX calls the presidents and says do it. They will jump. It’s not in the by laws everything else doesn’t matter.
They are not getting left out in the cold. Anyone who things that is wishful thinking. They will be in the big 10 or sec. I don’t care about the AAU. I’m smart enough to know that if FOX calls the presidents and says do it. They will jump. It’s not in the by laws everything else doesn’t matter.
Not happening any time soon. It costed OU/TX $100M to get out of their GOR one year early…not 13. They’re stuck my guy. Just sit back and enjoy the ensuing meltdowns.
Well the sentiment is dying by the day with people more in the know that you. You seen convinced, I am not. Why because it would be negotiated down it always usually is and that’s worst case. The money disparity will cover it. I give it 366 days.
If you think 2 tv mongrels are going to let 2 of the top 25 brands in CFB just wither and die on the vine, I got nothing for you.
The ones who say they don't want Clemson in the SEC don't understand football.
Like Cowherd?? Lol. He doesn’t know anything. It’s not hard to also find sources that state that ESPN has already told the SEC that they wouldn’t pay more for adding Clem/FSU. So unless 3/4 of the league presidents vote to decrease their distribution to save regional competitors, that isn’t happening.
Contracts with 13 years left on them don’t get negotiated down. 1-3 years? Sure. Not 13. Why do you think FSU has been throwing wild *** ideas out there like issuing bonds and getting PE to come in with $$? They’re screwed and they know it.
Fox doesn’t need Clem/FSU. And ESPN already has them at a fraction of what they would have to pay under the SEC. ESPN isn’t going to just destroy the ACCN, which they made significant investments to create, for 2 schools then turn around and pay more to air their games.
I think all this talk about them “dying on the vine” is greatly dramatized. They’re not dying. They’ll be fine. Clem has 23k students. They can just throw a $500 athletics fee on tuition and no one will bat an eye.
You can believe me or not. I don’t really care. But they desperately want to stay in the ACC
with ACC competition. They just need to get closer on the money.
Me as well. I don't get it at all. They're still getting about $40 million or whatever a year. Still a TON of money. Less than the SEC and Big 10? Yeah, but it's still $40 million. Have we lost our collective minds when we think a football program is going to die b/c it only gets a $40 million payout? $40 million is $40 million, no matter how much anyone else is getting. They can survive and thrive just fine with what they are getting.
All this revenue stuff has made people crazy. Good grief, SEC schools got a $50 million payout and some fans freaked out b/c the Big 10 payout was $58 million, like SEC schools were gonna be panhandling.
Agree. And they'll get up to around $50-55M with unequal distributions that were just approved. I think once the P12 is settled we won't see any more major moves until the ACC deal nears completion. The B12 deal will be coming up around that time as well. That's when we'll see a larger morphing of the current landscape.
The dollars have become "not real" for these teams. They are comparing numbers on a sheet of paper and placing huge importance on differences that really don't matter. In sports in general, money has become something that seems to have no value outside of stroking the egos of the people running the sports. The Pac12 destroyed their conference because their members didn't want to take $30million each, that is 30 MILLION FREAKING DOLLARS A YEAR!!. How much do they really think the tv rights to the PAC12 were worth? The PAC12 wasn't exactly a must see hotbed of top teams. It wasn't like ESPN was asking the Pac12 to pay to broadcast their games. FSU and Clemson are butthurt because they aren't getting as much as teams in the SEC or the B1G, they aren't losing money or wanting for anything the only issue is they aren't getting as much.
Coach's salaries have become the same. A coach in Columbia, Athens, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, etc. can live beyond their wildest dreams making $2million dollars a year but if they aren't making $5million a year and they have nothing more than a winning record, the narrative is "Coach ___________ is underpaid". When coaches like Saban have clauses in their contracts stating they will always be the highest paid coach, that lets you know there is a lot of ego stroking going on.
Greed has destroyed college football. There is no sanity left in it and the whole enterprise is going to collapse.
Yes. And everyone is in on it. Even the fans have joined in looking at league revenue as a metric of success and a bragging point.
You nailed it. The Pac 12 and ACC aren't getting any less just because the Big 10 and SEC have increased their revenue. It reminds me of an incident I had a few years ago. I have an uncle-in-law who is into Corvette's (not a rich guy at all...they have just lived modestly and it's his one extravagance). He always has one and usually upgrades every few years. Anyway, we he drove me over to a Habitat for Humanity house he was helping with. Guys being guys, they all flocked over to take a look at the Corvette. One guy jokingly quipped, and I'll never forget it, "I thought I was happy until I saw this." His point was well-taken. His car was no worse or better than it was 10 seconds before he saw the Corvette, but people have a way of seeing someone else who has something better and suddenly being dissatisfied with something there were previously perfectly happy with. It boils down to greed. Pure and simple.
I also don't get the survival aspect. The four Pac 12 schools fled the Pac 12 because they feared for their survival. Survival? Your games were still going to broadcast and you'd still get $30 million. How much do you need? If you can't survive and succeed on $30 million, another $20 million isn't going to make a difference. Same goes for ACC. I mean the schools got a $40 million payout, but they are worried about "surviving"?
The presidents, ADs and BOT bluster on about the revenue discrepancies being unacceptable and alarming, as if some inalienable right has suddenly being stripped away from them, when really it's just someone else happens to have a little bit more than they do. Nobody has taken a single red cent away from them. Someone else just happened to get a little more.
It begs the question: If you're not satisfied with $30, $30 or $50 million, what will you be satisfied with? Greed drives people mad.
Proverbs 27:20 -- The eyes of man are never satisfied.
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If I could go back in time and tell my 25 year-old self just one thing, it would be: "You won't need as much money as you now think, to be happy".