I just can't get past paying 3 million to the DC. That alone shows no one has a clue as to what they are doing.
WTF if going on in Starkville?
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I don't blame him for all the delay of game penalties although that should be the basic taught to the QB by the QB coach, but I do blame the idiot HC for not calling for the time out. The HC, DC and QB were way over their heads and that's on Selmon.
Hell, I might be alright with that as opposed to dumping it on 18 year olds who'll play somewhere else next year.
He's a race-baiter. Just ignore his ignorant ***.
Just ignore it.
As far as football goes, I checked out during the Toledo game. Our problems are much deeper than a change at quarterback will make or keeping the same quarterback will make. We have to start at level one and move forward from there, and it will not be pretty. It will be a long time before we are a serious contender with the big boys in football... if we ever get there.
I doubt we have a fan base that is that patient, and it's not their fault. It's just the SEC way.
The one on the right was the main speaker at my son's graduation Friday. He was killing it, and very not in a good way.
I'm honestly past feeling bad about checking out of this new system. As I've said, I'll always root for State to be good at anything they compete in. I'm at an age and point in my life where my financial support and interest level was already declining, but NIL and the liberal transfer rules has hastened my loss of interest.
It's pretty simple when you get down to it. The better players are playing almost solely for their own advancement and benefit. And I don't blame them for that. If I was that age and that talented, I'd want to get paid while I could as well.
But the consequence is that the fans are going to have a harder and harder time connecting with teams full of non team players.
Maybe it's just my point in life and this is just the new way, but I don't think this is going to be very good for college athletics in the long run.
Honestly, after reading your post I agree 100%. It is probably best if you find a new team.
this progrm is tough to watch, I’m a college football fan in general, I’ll follow UNLV and see how Dan does, root for a big ten team or a big 12 team Sawyer at Baylor, -see how Creed does at Utah, , still watch games. Most of our games this year I couldn’t make it past halftime.
if you have a few teams you root for and follow it makes it a little more enjoyable.
I never imagined reading about State possibly paying a student athlete $2 million a season to play QB. Y’all enjoy. To me, this is not college football anymore.
Wish I had one. Be glad to take a recommendation.
After Huff pushes Libby’s shlt in next September, might as well become a mustard buzzard. At least they have the Duffs.
After the fighting neckbeards, my other teams teams next year will be UNLV and Baylor, Indiana. Probably a couple others.
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I really don't do that at all. I have no second. I always look at people who say they follow _____, as if they are aliens. Being a sidewalk fan of another college just isn't in me. I'm in a bit of a lurch too since I don't like what the NFL has become. Would like to watch football and have some vested interest.
i find the season is a lot funner if there are several teams I keep a passing interest in, usually just random ties ,interests That will draw me to games. I am curious to see what Dan does at UNLV, I like the offense Spavatal runs at Baylor. Cig is a great story at Indiana. I like the old coach at Iowa who plays for field position. Im sorry but if this team goes 2-10 next year, I’ve got to have some enjoyable games to watch.
ETA, speaking of Cig, I think he beats Notre Dame in the first round of the playoffs.
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Correct. If you noticed, they ran routes in the center of the field for him. He was not reliable on much else. He also led the nation in lost fumbles I think. Very raw talent and probably a great guy. He won't be ready to be a starter for two more years though.
Back to the OP question....what is going on..
IF we don't land the FSU QB or Tx Lb or any of these guys from this weekend....
1. I don't think we have the money other schools do in NIL for this recruiting cycle.
2. We are trying to sell 2-10
3. A green coaching staff.
1. being the biggest factor. I believe this is because as is said in the link below. All the money given to State excellence fund can't be used this cycle. No way I believe State raised over $10 million for this cycle and another $11 million (that was made public) to deposit in State excellence for the future.
Credit to Psueydonym ...
https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/if-mvb-wants.1676898/post-33800351
IF we don't land the FSU QB or Tx Lb or any of these guys from this weekend....
1. I don't think we have the money other schools do in NIL for this recruiting cycle.
2. We are trying to sell 2-10
3. A green coaching staff.
1. being the biggest factor. I believe this is because as is said in the link below. All the money given to State excellence fund can't be used this cycle. No way I believe State raised over $10 million for this cycle and another $11 million (that was made public) to deposit in State excellence for the future.
Credit to Psueydonym ...
https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/if-mvb-wants.1676898/post-33800351
Yes that was a great post by @pseudonym that laid it out nicely. In a way, we were already kinda screwed in the Wild Wild West era (2021-2025), so at least we exposed the trinity of shltty things (Salmon Sucks, Loser Lenny and Keenum needs to stay out of athletics, and maybe even get help hiring an AD). There will be a 30 for 30 made about this 5-year period for sure, sure to feature schools like SMU and Ole Miss, who tried to buy their way into things, and others like Indiana and Boise who did it the old school way.
It also proved that we can't go the greenhorn coach route, and we can't sit around hem-hawing about RuN dA bAwL. What I mean by that is we can't view things in the same ole moo u way, and we can't compare ourselves to the big schools and do what they do.
I hope our fanbase has learned these lessons by the time the 2025 offseason comes around, but I have a sneaky suspicion they will not.
Yuup, and there were a few times when it looked like Levee should have challenged the call on the field but didn't. Whoever runs our video boards hates replays with a passion so we often don't get a second look, but initially it looked like the ref made a bad call and no challenge flag was thrown. I can't remember specifically instances, but there was what looked like a TD (v Misery?) that was marked short.
In other words, our NIL is not in “great shape” because our counterparts are spending $15-25M THIS year
Can we all at least finally admit that?
It's becoming painfully obvious.
I was in town for the Pitt game and did some asking around. I was told we have the money but nobody is taking it. I do not believe that now. The money part at least.
Nor should you. Here we are debating whether we should splurge and spend an extra $250k or so for the most important position on the field, yet we handed out a $3M contract to a guy that is a marginal recruiter(at best) and is learning how to be a DC for the first time
There isn’t a damn thing going on with this entire football program that is anything other than complete failure
Not really. Yes, the top teams in the conference will always be ahead of us, that's a given. But we're competitive with the rest in the SEC. Our program is just struggling and we don't appear to have a plan for recruiting. We also retained the entire staff that went 2-10. We have nothing to sell but playing time and everyone can offer that. Top players aren't going to sign up to rebuild a program that's been bad. We should've reworked our staff and gotten proven guys that can recruit & coach.
And what’s also becoming painfully obvious is that I’m sure we have the money that WE think is reasonable to pay a college athlete. The problem is that the market is dictating an entirely different number, and teams like LSU are handing out bigger checks to bring in a backup than we’re willing to give a starter.
Could this all come back around one day, and schools like State end up looking good for being fiscally responsible while others implode after burning through tens of millions of dollars for essentially nothing? I doubt it, but maybe I guess. In the meantime, though, we’re not even playing the same game as the rest of the P4
This isn't really true, man. As outlined before, we actually have to pay more, since our program isn't on the same level as the blue bloods. That's what evens the field.
Of course it could. The problem is, we are burning that cash up too, but getting crappier results. It isn't as if we aren't trying to pay - they are. They just have no plan to use it wisely, and obviously, like many of you note, we don't have as much as others. So we're fighting 2 losing battles at the same time. And if you point this out, you're ostracized for not being committed. It's amazing how much trampling power there is in our small group of sheep fans that just believe in whatever discharge the university feeds them.
How ironic to use multiple usernames in a thread calling you bipolar.
The only stone cold truth right now is that neither you nor I know for certain either way because all this NIL stuff, while legal, is still shady as hell. 99% of what we think we know is based on rumor, and the rumors are coming from people that don’t have a clue
That said, we’re inching closer to a lot of this becoming documented, and when it does, I’ll stand by my statement. We’re gonna find out that we’re playing an entirely different NIL game than a lot of our counterparts, and I’m not talking about blue bloods
It’s kind of obvious when we lose nearly every bidding war and the same posters say in unison “it’s not about the money, we offered more and they won’t take our money, they just don’t like Starkville”. Cmon. Its not about the money ? Who believes this ?
If we pay the same amount of money as Bama/LSU/Georgia/Tennessee/Auburn (i.e. blue bloods), we lose that recruit (unless they are from MS and have state loyalty).
If we pay the same amount of money as Ole Miss, we may get them in a normal year, but we suck and they don't.......thus they normally get the recruit, unless (see parentheses above). This goes for Arkansas/Kentucky/South Carolina and other contemporaries.
Now keep in mind, that's for the average to above average players (high 3 stars to 4 stars). The elite guys (high 4-stars and 5 stars), I agree, we're never in the game with, so we aren't talking about the same level of money from the get-go.
Everybody has to (offer to) pay to get in the game. But after that, it's about the same things it's always been about - winning, program culture, coaching, etc. And when are supposedly overpaying, that confirms this even more.
Y'all do realize Bulldog Initiative and Bulldog Excellence Fund are just two sides of the same NIL coin, don't you. And they're both controlled by Selmon. If money needs to go to one fund or the other, or be moved from one fund to the other, there are ways of getting that done, easiest being just tell the #8M donor to make the checks out to the Initiative until the legal settlement is finalized. If we're saving our NIL donations for next year, that would be the most Mississippi State thing ever. While everyone else is foolishly buying good players and building competitive teams, we're hoarding our money for a year when we get a favorable schedule. Newsflash, we're in the SEC. ALL schedules are difficult. And we're just digging our hole even deeper with another year like last year, making it even harder for us to dig ourselves out of it.
Not a horrible idea to try and be 'decent' next year and then try and load the boat in 2026. Because no matter what we do, we won't be that good in 2025. Of course, this will probably mean a coaching change, which kills continuity, so that effort for 2026 is likely wasted anyway. We Are Miss Stake.
About the only hope we have now is that we land a Fritz or someone like that, if he turns around Houston next year, and hope he brings all his players, like Cignetti did.
But we have no plan whatsoever so none of it matters.
Major college football is over in Starkville. We'll either be left out of the next realignment altogether or we will be the punching bag like we were this year.
I'd bet more want you gone than me. Might be a fun poll.
Fanbase would sure be better off if the folks that think like you were gone. Or at least just relegated to silent observers. Show up, pay money, be a butt in a seat. No voicing of opinion, though.
How does one "get off the train". MSU is my school. I may mock the train. I may throw things at the train. I may look longingly at the successes of other trains. But I will NEVER get off the train.
Also, thank you for the assertion that this football program is even close to as powerful as a train, you hope broker, you!
You're probably right. I've intentionally tried to let go of my fandom twice - during the end of Jackie/early Croom, and then the death of Leach/downfall since. And due to NIL/portal, and the intentional incompetence of our AD, I do care much less now. It's still a hobby, and it's always baseball that pulls me back in. But even that has taken a hit due to the rise of other SEC peers, namely Ole Miss and Tennessee. Hell I thought Ole Miss was finally going to fire Bianco and fade into the sunset, but the m17ers get the last spot in the damn tournament and WIN THE WHOLE 17ING THING, the year after we did. Then LSU takes our baseball Cam Newton and wins it. Then Tennessee comes from nowhere and wins it, seriously handicapping us in that state where we used to get good players.
You really can't make that up. Hopeful basketball and baseball can give us a boost this spring, we really need it.
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