Y'all are getting a first hand look at MSU's leadership problems

615dawg

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Worst start in Mississippi State baseball history for a coach that probably should have been let go three seasons ago.

Now, realize that this is going on across campus. I have friends that went to Mississippi State's Preview Day yesterday. It was the largest such event in university history. The social media photo albums look nice but they walked away unimpressed. Words were misspelled on the presentations (I recalled the Maron, Whit from the Croom era), departments seemed unprepared.

The recruiting pitch is basically that MSU has SEC sports.
Prospective Student: That's nice. I'm trying to figure out whether I want to do Biology with a Pre-Med emphasis or Biomedical Engineering to prepare for medical school
MSU: Uh, did you get your picture with Bully?
 
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I could comment on this with some things, but I'm scared someone else would suffer because of what I'd tell on an open forum. I'll just say this, the people doing the hiring at this university are doing a poor job and I'm not just talking athletics.
 

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We are Mississippi State.

This is typical of what goes on throughout the MSU organization. There is no accountability whatsoever. They get paid the same whether they give a crap or not so, in their eyes, why should they even care at all? It’s sickening.

It starts at the top but goes all the way to even the lowest levels. In an organization this big there are bound to a few (very few) who genuinely try to do a good job but they are obviously few and far between.

We need to clean house and establish accountability procedures for every level. Sadly, that won’t happen and MSU will continue to go downhill. They believe that they are “too big to fail” and they may be right. Nothing will change or get their attention until they feel it in the pocketbooks in a real way.
 

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I could comment on this with some things, but I'm scared someone else would suffer because of what I'd tell on an open forum. I'll just say this, the people doing the hiring at this university are doing a poor job and I'm not just talking athletics.
That's the issue. This is way bigger than athletics. There are 1-9 SEC starts in every academic department, every campus support department, and everywhere. No one gives a damn. I suspect this is how Starkville hurts MSU more than anything. The applicant pool is very shallow so we are stuck in a lot of ways.

20 years ago, I worked with someone at Mississippi State that was just a few years older than me, but had multiple master's degree and was working on a second bachelor's degree. When I inquired as to why, they very proudly stated that they were taking advantage of the university's policies in order to not have to pay back their student loans.

This person was one of the stupidest people I have ever worked with. Despite having all of these credentials, you couldn't trust this person to do a simple task. This person today is in one of the most important positions at a university.
 

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We are Mississippi State.

This is typical of what goes on throughout the MSU organization. There is no accountability whatsoever.
This is what I’ve observed as well. While the whole chill, “good dude” thing is part of MSU culture (which I like), if that translates too much into administrative operations and there’s no killer instinct or accountability, you’re going to get steamrolled. A good guy who tries hard isn’t sufficient.
 

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I will add to this just for additional info. When state came to the college fair at our school they were great about walking my kid through the distinctions between various colleges based on his interests.

The school took a large group to OM recently and the tour was horrible.
 

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Trend since cohen was here. Has continued downward. Underlying theme is we don’t care about athletics. That’s a big pill to swallow, but the last three years give tons of evidence. At least where I sit…..fans have been tired and bored for a while now.
 
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I will add to this just for additional info. When state came to the college fair at our school they were great about walking my kid through the distinctions between various colleges based on his interests.

The school took a large group to OM recently and the tour was horrible.
I work with a guy who is an Auburn grad, his daughter ended up at Auburn last year but they said MSU was far and away the best tour/preview they did. That included Auburn, Ole Miss, Vandy and UGA.
 

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I work with a guy who is an Auburn grad, his daughter ended up at Auburn last year but they said MSU was far and away the best tour/preview they did. That included Auburn, Ole Miss, Vandy and UGA.
I was told this from an aggie who toured 3 years ago w his daughter. They toured lsu, auburn, a couple others over spring break.
 
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My granddaughter that is a senior this year at MSU. She said many of her friends are from other states, the panhandle of Florida, lower Al., from southern Illinois, and Georgia. I have met several of these kids parents at tailgates and I always ask if they have some family connections to MSU. They usually say no. Then I ask why their family chose MSU. Most of them reply they spent their spring break in high school touring universities from across the region. They all said their tour of campus, they felt safe/small town and the sincere friendliness of the people.
 

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That's the issue. This is way bigger than athletics. There are 1-9 SEC starts in every academic department, every campus support department, and everywhere. No one gives a damn. I suspect this is how Starkville hurts MSU more than anything. The applicant pool is very shallow so we are stuck in a lot of ways.

20 years ago, I worked with someone at Mississippi State that was just a few years older than me, but had multiple master's degree and was working on a second bachelor's degree. When I inquired as to why, they very proudly stated that they were taking advantage of the university's policies in order to not have to pay back their student loans.

This person was one of the stupidest people I have ever worked with. Despite having all of these credentials, you couldn't trust this person to do a simple task. This person today is in one of the most important positions at a university.
I think a lot of this is true. I'm not a fire everybody kind of person. I see both positives and negatives, Keenum does a lot but I think the people under him don't handle their jobs, so that's his responsibility to correct. I know the healthcare situation in Starkville is a killer. But we can't Poor Ole ourselves to death either.
 

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Interesting to see the OP use “y’all” instead of “we”. I’m not surprised.
 

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I was at Preview Day yesterday. Negative reviews are warranted. Overall, I gave it a low C, maybe high D. First the bad stuff:
1. They put no breaks between sessions (30 minute slots between 11 and 3 or 3:30), and some of the sessions only had 2 timeslots throughout the day (the Greek life one we attended was packed), and depending on what school, etc, you wanted to see, they were scattered across campus. Sessions frequently went right to time or over, so you also had to leave early if you wanted to be on time for the next one. Whomever set this up had/has never done it themselves. There needs to be fewer sessions with at least 10 minutes in-between.
2. Parking was by the Fresh Food company, and the sign-in was at the Hump. Check your campus map. Hi, welcome to State! Do you like walking?
3. We had no idea the student involvement groups (pretty much every single one on campus) would be set up inside the Hump, and only available during the welcome session. We inadvertently had about 5 minutes to take all that in and then get to our seats, then had to pretty much book it to make the first session we planned, which was at Montgomery Hall. Maybe I missed a memo, but I don't think so...
4. Even with my alumni brain setting us up with the best order that saved us the most walking, we took 17,000+ steps. 8 miles. WE WALKED 8 MILES. Why not take a shuttle, you say? Because based on where/when we were, that never seemed to line up. Stops were empty when we came up, or it was the wrong shuttle. My wife and I both tried to figure us out something, because were were dog tired by 1 PM. I saw recruiters on carts taking a family or three in the morning, but not much else in the way of organized transportation. Based on the lack of students waiting at most stops, I have to wonder if the shuttles aren't the mainstay for students they were 30 years ago.
5. There's a 30-minute campus tour session. I thought, "surely this would be an abbreviated bus tour". It's not. A poor student recruiter has to try to cram 150 years of history/highlights into 30 minutes while hosting 5-10 people on a walk from Montgomery to the Chapel of Memories via the Drill Field and Union. Our guy did his best.
6. Oh, hey, you're on the wrong side of the dorm, says a small sign in the door...Preview Day tours of dorm rooms are a couple of hundred yards on the other side of the building. Some signage for individual stops coming down the main paths would've been helpful, or hey, a printed map! We tried to use campus map online, Maps app, etc, but when you're having folks roam an active campus looking for one specific door on a giant building...well, you need to provide them a little help.

Now the good part:
1. Most of our campus visually rocks even with all the construction. My kids were posing for scenic pictures or admiring cool landscaping at random spots, and coming out the main entrance of Lee Hall when the wind kicked up the giant American flag, you could hear angels in Heaven singing. Even my 14 year-old was enjoying the "chonky" trees and natural ambience at several different places. The walk to the Band Hall is more than a little bare now...come back in a decade when those trees have grown. Side note: I think all the red maples I saw have died. Time to take those down.
2. The staff was helpful and friendly at nearly every stop. Some of them went out of their way to make sure we knew where to go. It did feel like a lot of them disappeared after lunch, and we tried to fit in a second dorm in the last few minutes of the final session, but I think all the signage/staff were gone. The presenters we saw were usually well-prepared, lively, and sharing good info. Certainly none of them hurt State's case.
3. The college of education kicked butt in making my daughter feel wanted and welcome. She came away with scads of good info, and grinning ear to ear. That was one of our shortest stops (12-15 min), but alone worth the drive from Birmingham. The band folks where friendly and informative, too, but there was no signage at that stop, which had us initially questioning if we had missed it.


This was our second preview day after UAB's this past fall. UAB's was much better timed/organized (even had us rotating groups in for lunch), but they don't have the campus, and most importantly, they don't have as many first class recruiters/presenters as I saw. Jimmy Abraham would've been mostly pleased with this group of recruiters.
 

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My son and his friend went to the Preview Day. They both loved it, even though it was a ton of walking.

I walked over from the hotel just to get a glimpse, and the campus was packed. They both mentioned it was hard to get everything in on the schedule. But, with so many offerings being so spread out I don’t know what they could’ve done much differently.

I didn’t walk around with them, because I wanted them to have to figure it all out. And, I’m glad I didn’t…. I think they learned a lot! I was pretty proud of how State put the event together.
 
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It's almost people who are generally negative about a lot of things are also negative about MSU, whether it's warranted or not.

It's really like State keeps 17ing things up. For graduation they refused handicapped access. Think about that! Then all of this? Keenum should hire people better at their jobs but he's off at some Hog Slopping fundraiser or some Dog Jumping contest or some crap for a history museum. How about people be held accountable for their jobs like the rest of the real world!
 
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It's really like State keeps 17ing things up. For graduation they refused handicapped access. Think about that! Then all of this? Keenum should hire people better at their jobs but he's off at some Hog Slopping fundraiser or some Dog Jumping contest or some crap for a history museum. How about people be held accountable for their jobs like the rest of the real world!

At least you knew I was talking to you. Shockingly, you went negative.
 

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Pains me, but both my kids went to OM. Both top 10 in hs class, decent ACT and extra curricular. Each got one letter from MSU and nothing else. Letters, bday cards, christmas cards, partial ride to attend from OM. Follow the $. It all goes back to a lack of leadership.
 
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At least we know you turn a blind eye to serious problems and prefer personal attacks that seem to upset you when about those in charge at State.
Funny how that he differentiates between merited serious problems and griping but DNGAS about merited serious problems.

He must be a friend of several folks in the leadership. **
 

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At least we know you turn a blind eye to serious problems and prefer personal attacks that seem to upset you when about those in charge at State.

I don't turn a blind eye. There are problems at State, but they also do a lot of things well.

And pointing out a character trait that is tiresome is not a personal attack.
 

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Funny how that he differentiates between merited serious problems and griping but DNGAS about merited serious problems.

He must be a friend of several folks in the leadership. **

I'm not.

And my comment was mostly about the tiresome negativity of this board, which I might have a modicum of influence on. I know I have basically no influence with the school.
 

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Pains me, but both my kids went to OM. Both top 10 in hs class, decent ACT and extra curricular. Each got one letter from MSU and nothing else. Letters, bday cards, christmas cards, partial ride to attend from OM. Follow the $. It all goes back to a lack of leadership.
about 8 or so years ago I posted this SAME thing. Son was top of his class and even went on a tour there and had a huge ACT score. No letters, phone calls or anything else. No interest in OM but got something every day from them and calls non stop.
 
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I am happy that there is enough interest in MSU that they are having record Preview Day attendance. Hopefully, it's a case of just not being prepared for the crowds. But having kids in the "looking at college" age and having friends with kids in that age - MSU needs to know how much the little things matter.

The post above about ridiculousness of the scheduling and the amount of walking is on par with what I was told by a friend. They went to the University of South Alabama for their preview day and were blown away. They had faculty leading tours and answering questions. Yes, to some people, playing Hail State and emphasizing SEC sports is enough (Its a big reason I chose MSU in the 90s), but these events are key to attracting great high school talent that we seriously need.

My kids grew up going to State games and taking nostalgia filled trips to their parents' alma mater. Somehow through all of that they ended up on some lists, so I will say they have gotten plenty of mail.
 

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They need to be recruiting heavily out of state in the coming years. Houston, Dallas, Bham, Huntsville, Charlotte, Atlanta
 

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about 8 or so years ago I posted this SAME thing. Son was top of his class and even went on a tour there and had a huge ACT score. No letters, phone calls or anything else. No interest in OM but got something every day from them and calls non stop.
hope your kids are still MSU fans (mine still are) but it really soured them on the People's Univ.
 

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I was at Preview Day yesterday. Negative reviews are warranted. Overall, I gave it a low C, maybe high D. First the bad stuff:
1. They put no breaks between sessions (30 minute slots between 11 and 3 or 3:30), and some of the sessions only had 2 timeslots throughout the day (the Greek life one we attended was packed), and depending on what school, etc, you wanted to see, they were scattered across campus. Sessions frequently went right to time or over, so you also had to leave early if you wanted to be on time for the next one. Whomever set this up had/has never done it themselves. There needs to be fewer sessions with at least 10 minutes in-between.
2. Parking was by the Fresh Food company, and the sign-in was at the Hump. Check your campus map. Hi, welcome to State! Do you like walking?
3. We had no idea the student involvement groups (pretty much every single one on campus) would be set up inside the Hump, and only available during the welcome session. We inadvertently had about 5 minutes to take all that in and then get to our seats, then had to pretty much book it to make the first session we planned, which was at Montgomery Hall. Maybe I missed a memo, but I don't think so...
4. Even with my alumni brain setting us up with the best order that saved us the most walking, we took 17,000+ steps. 8 miles. WE WALKED 8 MILES. Why not take a shuttle, you say? Because based on where/when we were, that never seemed to line up. Stops were empty when we came up, or it was the wrong shuttle. My wife and I both tried to figure us out something, because were were dog tired by 1 PM. I saw recruiters on carts taking a family or three in the morning, but not much else in the way of organized transportation. Based on the lack of students waiting at most stops, I have to wonder if the shuttles aren't the mainstay for students they were 30 years ago.
5. There's a 30-minute campus tour session. I thought, "surely this would be an abbreviated bus tour". It's not. A poor student recruiter has to try to cram 150 years of history/highlights into 30 minutes while hosting 5-10 people on a walk from Montgomery to the Chapel of Memories via the Drill Field and Union. Our guy did his best.
6. Oh, hey, you're on the wrong side of the dorm, says a small sign in the door...Preview Day tours of dorm rooms are a couple of hundred yards on the other side of the building. Some signage for individual stops coming down the main paths would've been helpful, or hey, a printed map! We tried to use campus map online, Maps app, etc, but when you're having folks roam an active campus looking for one specific door on a giant building...well, you need to provide them a little help.

Now the good part:
1. Most of our campus visually rocks even with all the construction. My kids were posing for scenic pictures or admiring cool landscaping at random spots, and coming out the main entrance of Lee Hall when the wind kicked up the giant American flag, you could hear angels in Heaven singing. Even my 14 year-old was enjoying the "chonky" trees and natural ambience at several different places. The walk to the Band Hall is more than a little bare now...come back in a decade when those trees have grown. Side note: I think all the red maples I saw have died. Time to take those down.
2. The staff was helpful and friendly at nearly every stop. Some of them went out of their way to make sure we knew where to go. It did feel like a lot of them disappeared after lunch, and we tried to fit in a second dorm in the last few minutes of the final session, but I think all the signage/staff were gone. The presenters we saw were usually well-prepared, lively, and sharing good info. Certainly none of them hurt State's case.
3. The college of education kicked butt in making my daughter feel wanted and welcome. She came away with scads of good info, and grinning ear to ear. That was one of our shortest stops (12-15 min), but alone worth the drive from Birmingham. The band folks where friendly and informative, too, but there was no signage at that stop, which had us initially questioning if we had missed it.


This was our second preview day after UAB's this past fall. UAB's was much better timed/organized (even had us rotating groups in for lunch), but they don't have the campus, and most importantly, they don't have as many first class recruiters/presenters as I saw. Jimmy Abraham would've been mostly pleased with this group of recruiters.
When my daughter went in 2021, parking was by the Horse Park and shuttles brought you to campus. Less walking, but the walk from your car to the the shuttles passed by the stables. Even as an alum, I laughed that this was totally on brand.
 

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hope your kids are still MSU fans (mine still are) but it really soured them on the People's Univ.
daughter got undergrad and grad degree there and is a season ticket holder, son did not go there and he isn't a sports fan anyway.