“Bob Nutting won't sell Pirates, team CEO tells frustrated fans”

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By all reports, Nutting is committed to winning. You know, he wants to win. He doesn't want to spend enough to bring in some offensive help or some much needed bullpen arms, but he wants to win.

So, there's that.
I'm sure he does want to win, as long as Cherington and Co can figure out how to do it without spending money :ROFLMAO:
 
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To paraphrase Billy Preston, “Nutting from Nutting leaves Nutting…”
 

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Nutting is the worst owner in professional sports. For many years with extremely low payroll we have been told when the time came they would increase payroll this was that year and nothing. and I am only looking for Milwaukee Cincinnati numbers but no. He paid 92 million for the franchise. It is valued at 1.32 billion. He needs to sell.
 

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The lease on PNC Park is up in the not to distant future.
I think it is more likely that Nutting moves the team to another city than it is he sells. jmo
 

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The lease on PNC Park is up in the not to distant future.
I think it is more likely that Nutting moves the team to another city than it is he sells. jmo
Baseball is looking to expand by two teams in the near future. If he were to move the team, then Pittsburgh would automatically jump to the forefront of getting one of the expansion teams. It might actually be the best thing that could ever happen to them.
 

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Baseball is looking to expand by two teams in the near future. If he were to move the team, then Pittsburgh would automatically jump to the forefront of getting one of the expansion teams. It might actually be the best thing that could ever happen to them.
Me, I’m of the mind that “Don’t you dare move the ******* team” is something every owner needs to internalize from Day 1.
 
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Me, I’m of the mind that “Don’t you dare move the ******* team” is something every owner needs to internalize from Day 1.
I agree, but as a lifelong Pirates fan, the only way they may be able to get out of the clutches of Bob nutting is if he were to move the team and then they would immediately jump to the forefront of the expansion choices. They’d have the best stadium available And I’m pretty sure there are a few people willing to be part of the ownership group. Right now it’s about a given that Nashville will get one of those two expansion teams, the other one will probably be Salt Lake City to balance out the new eight divisions of four once everything gets settled. If nothing decides to move the team to one of those two cities then Pittsburgh would take the expansion team slotted for it.
 

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I was born in Pittsburgh. My family held Pirate season tickets for over 25 years. I've attended over 1,000 Pirate games in my life, but none in the past 10 years, thanks to Bob Nutting.
Pirate fans get what they deserve. They show up at the Park and continue enabling the worst owner in baseball. Nutting is 62. He could personally own the team for another 20 years. Given my age, that means I will never see another World Series in this town. So be it. At least Bob will get nutting from me.
 

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I was born in Pittsburgh. My family held Pirate season tickets for over 25 years. I've attended over 1,000 Pirate games in my life, but none in the past 10 years, thanks to Bob Nutting.
Pirate fans get what they deserve. They show up at the Park and continue enabling the worst owner in baseball. Nutting is 62. He could personally own the team for another 20 years. Given my age, that means I will never see another World Series in this town. So be it. At least Bob will get nutting from me.

Problem is the Pirates would still be profitable if they didn't sell a ticket or concession. He doesn't spend, and the TV revenue plus luxury tax sharing is enough to get them by.
 

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The Dodgers also start with a $200mm local TV deal. The Dodgers spend more because their revenue is significantly more. The "lack of spending" is because the smaller markets don't have the same pool to begin with.
 

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Problem is the Pirates would still be profitable if they didn't sell a ticket or concession. He doesn't spend, and the TV revenue plus luxury tax sharing is enough to get them by.
True, but an empty ballpark sends a message. The Bucs may draw 2 million this season and that also sends a message. There are no good answers here if Nutting's only concern is his bottom line. I only know I will no longer be part of the con.
 

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I was born in Pittsburgh. My family held Pirate season tickets for over 25 years. I've attended over 1,000 Pirate games in my life, but none in the past 10 years, thanks to Bob Nutting.
Pirate fans get what they deserve. They show up at the Park and continue enabling the worst owner in baseball. Nutting is 62. He could personally own the team for another 20 years. Given my age, that means I will never see another World Series in this town. So be it. At least Bob will get nutting from me.
Until the MLB installs a salary cap, a WS for any small market team is highly unlikely.
 

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I know there are a myriad of reasons a relegation/promotion schema would never work in American sports, but if there were ever a club that deserved relegation to AAA baseball, it's the Pirates.
 
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Until the MLB installs a salary cap, a WS for any small market team is highly unlikely.
The problem is, MLB doesn't have a salary cap because the cheap owners, like Nutting, don't want to spend. A cap would require a floor, and the "small market" teams don't want to spend.

If you could make over a billion dollars, inflation-adjusted, in 28 years, on less than 1/10 of that amount as an initial investment, and you could be a failure for those 28 years and not spend ... you'd do it, too (not to mention all the tax benefits you reaped, which substantially add to that return). If you were a sh!tty human being like Nutting, that is.
 

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The most accurate thing in Moneyball is that mlb is an unfair game.
It is ... because rich people can get even richer by not trying and putting forward a completely lacking product, and the common man makes them rich and blames other rich people for why their rich person can't try to put forward a decent product.
 

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Baseball is looking to expand by two teams in the near future. If he were to move the team, then Pittsburgh would automatically jump to the forefront of getting one of the expansion teams. It might actually be the best thing that could ever happen to them.

I know there are a myriad of reasons a relegation/promotion schema would never work in American sports, but if there were ever a club that deserved relegation to AAA baseball, it's the Pirates.

Expansion (fees) is one big reason that pro/rel will never happen in American sports.
 

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The problem is, MLB doesn't have a salary cap because the cheap owners, like Nutting, don't want to spend. A cap would require a floor, and the "small market" teams don't want to spend.

If you could make over a billion dollars, inflation-adjusted, in 28 years, on less than 1/10 of that amount as an initial investment, and you could be a failure for those 28 years and not spend ... you'd do it, too (not to mention all the tax benefits you reaped, which substantially add to that return). If you were a sh!tty human being like Nutting, that is.
Ok. Then why doesn’t the owners of the winning teams just say screw it. I’ll just keep my money and not spend? Other than because they have a soul and Nutting doesn’t?
 

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The problem is, MLB doesn't have a salary cap because the cheap owners, like Nutting, don't want to spend. A cap would require a floor, and the "small market" teams don't want to spend.

If you could make over a billion dollars, inflation-adjusted, in 28 years, on less than 1/10 of that amount as an initial investment, and you could be a failure for those 28 years and not spend ... you'd do it, too (not to mention all the tax benefits you reaped, which substantially add to that return). If you were a sh!tty human being like Nutting, that is.
MLB is the only pro sport without a salary cap, right? Screw the small market owners. MLB can strong arm them into conforming if they wanted to. Problem is, MLB likes it just the way it is. They want NY,LA, Boston, Philly, etc to be the faces of the league. Larger markets are their priority. The rich get richer. Every other league makes it work just fine and the product is very good.
 
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MLB is the only pro sport without a salary cap, right? Screw the small market owners. MLB can strong arm them into conforming if they wanted to. Problem is, MLB likes it just the way it is. They want NY,LA, Boston, Philly, etc to be the faces of the league. Larger markets are their priority. The rich get richer. Every other league makes it work just fine and the product is very good.
Screw the small market owners? The small market owners LOVE the current situation. They can make a billion or more without trying. MLB isn't a thing, at least as you're trying to portray it - it's just a collection of owners. The MLBPA is a VERY powerful organization ... much more powerful than its counterparts in the other major sports. They don't want a salary cap, and there's little the owners can do to change that when they can't guarantee a floor, that would let the players know that the cheap pieces of crap like Nutting will have to support higher player salaries by being forced to pony up.
 

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Having a salary floor is as much of an issue as a salary cap. The big market teams don’t really care either way, they will continue to pay the fees associated with the high salaries, but the small market teams won’t vote for the salary floor.
 

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The MBLPA would not mind a salary floor, but would not give in to a cap in exchange for a floor. In essence there is a floor of the minimum salary multiplied by the number of roster spots. This is good enough for the players.
The small market teams do not want a floor and are indifferent about a cap as long as they are still making money.
The large market teams do not care about a floor but do not want a cap as long as they are still making money.

Therfore nothing will change as long as they are still making money.
 

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The problem is they are losing generations of fans to take care of the coastal teams. This use to be Americas pastime back as late as the 80's or so. Now it is barely talked about the espn's and fox sport talk shows. It is going to get continually worse because they can't plan for the future. All teams need hope at the beginning of the year. I hope the Dodgers with their greed bankrupt the sport by winning a staggering amount of titles to force every other team to change the structure and no the magic at bat is not the answer. It is idiotic. It reduces the effectiveness of good pitching.