What I always thought was neat was that for a long time the Cleveland BROWNS were owned by Paul BROWN , coached by Paul BROWN and the best player was Jimmy BROWN. That’s really monochromatic.
“Native American group calls on Commanders to rename team Redskins: 'Cannot erase history'”
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YEP...buckled down and really got into it.
I realize she's a bit chunky, but at 19 yrs old, our taste for Professor Nice was overwhelming.
I don’t get your point. What part of Jim Brown’s history changed when Modell moved the team? Everybody knows that the original Cleveland Browns are now the Ravens, that’s part of the history too. If anyone wants to consider Jim Brown to be the all-time rushing leader of the Baltimore NFL franchise, you can point to the history and make a good case. But it’s the history we’re going by when we’re making this case. The ways you look at and interpret history change, sure, but the history is there. The whole “New Browns own the Old Browns records” is an accounting convenience made up by the NFL, nothing more or less. In the Browns case we need to dig a little deeper to get to the real history but it’s there.
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imho, the records follow the franchise, else what if the new Browns never happened?
Lydell Mitchell is #2 all time rusher for the Indianapolis Colts. Maybe he should be listed as a Raven?
but my underlying point was noting history changed with a team name change.
I guess my point is that you can’t look at one piece of historical evidence in isolation and say that this is the be-all-and-end-all of history, full stop.
Think of Coach Paterno’s 409. He always had the record, no matter if for a spell they were removed from the record book. History didn’t change when these wins were removed from the record book and history didn’t change when these wins were reinstated to the record book. He always had 409. That’s my take and I’m sticking to it.
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This is sort of a version of a well known thought experiment called ‘The Ship of Theseus’. The gist is whether or not an object that has had all of its components replaced is still the same object. It goes like this - imagine you are sailing on a ship from London to New York and every day, while at sea, you replace a plank on the ship until every plank has been replaced by the time you reach New York. Is it still the same ship?
Ship of Theseus – Philosophical Thought
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This is sort of a version of a well known thought experiment called ‘The Ship of Theseus’. The gist is whether or not an object that has had all of its components replaced is still the same object. It goes like this - imagine you are sailing on a ship from London to New York and every day, while at sea, you replace a plank on the ship until every plank has been replaced by the time you reach New York. Is it still the same ship?
Ship of Theseus – Philosophical Thought
Think of sailing ships. The Brits have a ship called the HMS Browns. It is captured by the Americans and renamed the USS Ravens. The Brits then build a new ship and call it the HMS Browns. Does the new HMS Browns inherit the records of the previous one that was captured?
This moving the records just seems quirky. What happens to a player that played for the Browns then find themselves a year later, playing for the Ravens. They played for one franchise but the record book says they played for two franchises when they really didn't. Do the KC Chiefs own the records (if they still exist) for those who played for the Dallas Texans? Do the current Washington Nationals own the records of the previous Nationals (which I think is now Minnesota)?
This is sort of a version of a well known thought experiment called ‘The Ship of Theseus’. The gist is whether or not an object that has had all of its components replaced is still the same object. It goes like this - imagine you are sailing on a ship from London to New York and every day, while at sea, you replace a plank on the ship until every plank has been replaced by the time you reach New York. Is it still the same ship?
Ship of Theseus – Philosophical Thought
I don’t get it.
but those Browns are Nevermore
I always thought they could have kept the Redskins name and just changed their logo to a potato.
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I'm getting concerned the old board is more active than this one....
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