52,500 out of state and no onion dip for the student because this fatazz has 'lowered the cost of a PSU education'.
“The achievements and legacy of President Eric J. Barron”
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And yet these out of state students continue to enroll and pay this tuition rather than go their own in state university at a much lower cost. If PSU was such a bad option, why would they choose to do that?
I’ll give you one clue - have you looked into the cost of what a private university tuition is? Those are the schools that Penn State competes with, and not everyone who applies needs financial aid. If you want to study engineering do you go to Lehigh or Carnegie Mellon? Or for business do you go to Wharton, or Georgetown for pre law? Penn State offers a more reasonable quality option in all of these fields albeit a step below them academically. But many of us can and willingly pay full freight at these private schools because we can afford to. It’s not necessarily a question of cost, but Penn State is cheaper than other private schools in the northeast, and that’s the competition. And I know some of you can’t wait to tell me your stories about financial aid, but guess what, some of us don’t need any financial aid. We’re successful enough to pay the freight without anyone else’s help. Why? Because we have a Penn State degree, or two!
I’ll give you one clue - have you looked into the cost of what a private university tuition is? Those are the schools that Penn State competes with, and not everyone who applies needs financial aid. If you want to study engineering do you go to Lehigh or Carnegie Mellon? Or for business do you go to Wharton, or Georgetown for pre law? Penn State offers a more reasonable quality option in all of these fields albeit a step below them academically. But many of us can and willingly pay full freight at these private schools because we can afford to. It’s not necessarily a question of cost, but Penn State is cheaper than other private schools in the northeast, and that’s the competition. And I know some of you can’t wait to tell me your stories about financial aid, but guess what, some of us don’t need any financial aid. We’re successful enough to pay the freight without anyone else’s help. Why? Because we have a Penn State degree, or two!
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Who says they got in to their state school? Last I checked out of state enrollees had SAT and other test scores that were pretty low, especially in comparison to PA students.
I have spoken to someone connected to the university who has reviewed the data about this. That individual has no vested interest in representing the data one way or the other. The amount of difference by the way between in state and out of state is not much, but it’s not true to state or imply that out of state kids are being admitted with lower test scores or standards. They’re not. Out of state kids have slightly higher test scores.
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Not to mention the academic standing is in free fall.
Imagine a place with 40,000+ morons between 18 and 22 years old, who couldn’t get into their local community college. Some of these morons use chemicals in laboratory classes. A disaster waiting to happen.
40,000 morons between 18-22 years old....Iowa home game!
Since PSU is "test optional" how can they reach a conclusion?
Until some president builds a monolithic statue Joe straddling campus, you'll never be happy.
If PSU wants to pay me $900k to “consult”, I’ll suck all day long and twice on Sunday.
“In the first part of a three-part interview, retiring Penn State President Eric J. Barron discusses how he got involved in teaching, what led him to become a university president, what sets Penn State’s interdisciplinary research apart from other institutions, and the genesis of Invent Penn State.“
From the interview:
”On the subject of students, you pushed to add a student trustee to the University’s Board of Trustees. Why?
The students bring a different perspective, while we sit there thinking we know what’s best for everybody. We have wisdom. We have experience. But they’re different than we are. It’s part of the reason why I was motivated to push for a student trustee.“
So at eight years old Fats wanted to be a geology professor? People should not be surprised that he turned out how he did.
I could have been the president of Penn State, but I chose not to.
Anyway, I like his comment about students relative to himself and the trustees: “But they’re different than we are.” In other words, people who look like them.
They are way more naive and have less money, and will for a long time if we do our job right.
barren and the trustees laugh at students (and alumni, and people who look like them).
Will never forget a story our youngest told when he was in second or third grade. Teachers asked the class what they wanted to be when they grew up. Most of the answers were typical......baseball player, football player, doctor, nurse, race car driver. One kid said "investment banker." My reaction, "At eight years old that is so wrong." In case you couldn't guess he never became an investment banker.
“In this second part of a three-part Q&A series with retiring President Eric J. Barron, he discusses the importance of access and affordability, transformative experiences for Penn State students, diversity and inclusion efforts at the University, and the value of athletics.”
For barren, affordability is about time, not annual cost.
“In this final part of a three-part Q&A with Penn State President Eric Barron, he talks about his decision to retire, the challenge of leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic, the idea for a new and expanded Palmer Museum of Art, the Musser Gap to Valleylands effort and what his students have taught him over the years.”
From the interview:
”One of the major projects that won’t be finished before you retire is the new Palmer Museum of Art, which is currently under construction. How did the idea for a new and expanded space for the Palmer come about?
I was sitting with an alum, John Driscoll, who is no longer with us. He said to me, “I want you to understand what a great museum you have in the Palmer. But it’s completely underutilized because you cannot park and you don’t have enough space. No school buses pull up to the Palmer because buses on campus are difficult to navigate.”
He said, “Couple that with the fact that an enormous number of people have been collecting art and want to give their art to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. But art dealers and brokers tell them it’ll never be seen. Maybe once every 20 years, someone will decide they’re going to do an exhibition and maybe they’ll pick one of their paintings.
“On the other hand, if you take a high quality, small museum, it will display your art and you can add to the quality and richness of the environment. The Palmer is one such museum.”
I really started to think about the fact that school buses don’t come look at our museums. I realized we were underperforming on people enjoying the Palmer, underperforming in getting gifts, underperforming in terms of school-aged children that would come, despite what’s here. This is an asset for our community.“
“In this final part of a three-part Q&A with Penn State President Eric Barron, he talks about his decision to retire, the challenge of leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic, the idea for a new and expanded Palmer Museum of Art, the Musser Gap to Valleylands effort and what his students have taught him over the years.”
From the interview:
”One of the major projects that won’t be finished before you retire is the new Palmer Museum of Art, which is currently under construction. How did the idea for a new and expanded space for the Palmer come about?
I was sitting with an alum, John Driscoll, who is no longer with us. He said to me, “I want you to understand what a great museum you have in the Palmer. But it’s completely underutilized because you cannot park and you don’t have enough space. No school buses pull up to the Palmer because buses on campus are difficult to navigate.”
He said, “Couple that with the fact that an enormous number of people have been collecting art and want to give their art to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. But art dealers and brokers tell them it’ll never be seen. Maybe once every 20 years, someone will decide they’re going to do an exhibition and maybe they’ll pick one of their paintings.
“On the other hand, if you take a high quality, small museum, it will display your art and you can add to the quality and richness of the environment. The Palmer is one such museum.”
I really started to think about the fact that school buses don’t come look at our museums. I realized we were underperforming on people enjoying the Palmer, underperforming in getting gifts, underperforming in terms of school-aged children that would come, despite what’s here. This is an asset for our community.“
Dear Lord, I had no idea the leadership was this vacuous. Where is the BOT to address this crap? Why are they letting it fester, let alone encourage it?
My daughter did the same thing. I had taught her what compound interest was in kindergarten (I don’t think her teacher knew), and she would say she wanted to be an investment banker without really understanding what the occupation entailed. Needless to say she never became one, but she got her PHD and became a professor instead. She always excelled in quantitative methods, so I suppose there was some carry over.
Omg...the Seinfeld episode where Newman is having Kramer testify to not becoming a banker....lmao!
In my anecdote, knowing the family it's highly unlikely that there was any instruction of value. Kid wound up becoming some sort of trainer in a company that does god-knows what.
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“President Eric J. Barron has had wide-reaching impact throughout the past eight years of his tenure as Penn State’s 18th president. From launching Invent Penn State to embarking on an ambitious $2.1 billion comprehensive campaign to leading on a national stage, here are some key moments to reflect on as he nears the conclusion of his tenure on May 8.”
To me his legacy is his troubling lack of courage. If Barron kept his promise and rejected the Freeh Fable, healing would have occurred.
Sunday marks barren’s last day as president of Penn State.
It is obvious that PSU doesn't give a rats *** about bringing a handful of fanboys that got butt-hurt 10 years ago back into the fold. Good riddance. Looking forward to future games at Barron/Barbour field at Beaver Stadium with Franklin leading us to multiple 6 win seasons.
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