Honestly shocked Willie is up, considering he usually rolls out of bed at 4 pm
157 next year
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only b/c you can't read. there's nothing in there incorrect or to be apologized for.
you're the whiniest bunch ever.
you're the whiniest bunch ever.
So, do we know who the candidates are to wrestle 157 next year?
Is Drake wrestling 157 for the hawks next year or did I open the wrong thread? But for real, I think a lot of people are sleeping on Miguel. However, I think his best weight is 149, and block has the frame to easily beef up to 157. That could help him with some of his late match gas tank issues too. Perhaps Williams will earn his way back to that spot too. If he truly earns it and buys in, he has the potential to be great. Either way, I think they have solid options on the team with block, Estrada, and Williams battling for 49/57 if Williams sticks around.
If Block was gonna be 157 Iowa would have gotten Ech for 149. Block is a 149
Yeah im sure they waited til they were out the door
you are pretty dense huh I dont know why you are so butt hurt about it, youre the one whining and crying over it...
And how does losing a yr of eligibility have anything to do with when brands told them to come to Iowa with him lol youre definitely the bright one here
Was he constantly gassing all year long or was it a few times ? We often forget that they're human and things happen people get dinged up which causes them to miss some workouts and they can also get sick .
To be fair, there are a lot of other factors besides weight management that can mess with a gas tank. Mark Schultz is a great example. He had his VO2 max measured and found he was locked way below the average.
Don’t forget the ol’ adrenaline dump as well!
I keep seeing stuff like this and it seems like there is a misconception that gassing=cutting too much. That is not the case. Sure there are some instances of guys trying to maintain a weight and wearing themselves down, but there are a million reasons guys gas. Heck sometimes guys gas because they aren't cutting any weight and so they don't have to be as disciplined with what they eat and don't have to get any extra workouts in to get down. We have to stop assuming that the reason guys get tired is because they're too big for the weight they're at.
It was multiple times and it was spread throughout the season. Multiple times early, then badly against Zargo in January, and the memorable one vs Van Ness at Big 10s. Maybe weight has nothing to do with it... but if PSU had a guy with his body type at 149, with a guy like Estrada in that weight range as well we know what they'd do. He'd be on an advanced strength program and start next season as a well put together 57. But for some reason our program struggles to put quality weight on guys that need it with rare exceptions.
Can you recall anyone aside from Kemerer that made a weight class (or 2) jump and also gained significant strength? It sure seems more often than not our guys that bump end up undersized and under horsepowered.
Some people look bigger then they actually are. Deakin was one and currently Minto is one . Some guys have fast metabolisms and can't put on size. Block and the staff feel he's a 149 I will go with what they think over forum posters but that's just me
. My opinion block getting tired at times has nothing to do with weight
Some of the respiratory viruses that went around this winter were no joke. Would not be surprised if something like that was affecting him, the lungs can be effected long after the virus clears.Some people look bigger than they actually are. Deakin was one and currently Minto is one . Some guys have fast metabolisms and can't put on size. Block and the staff feel he's a 149 I will go with what they think over forum posters but that's just me
I have no doubt that's part of it but we saw him gas HARD 2 years ago at 141 as well. His performances at 41 clearly looked to be weight related... so admittedly when you see some of the same at 49 AND you see his height and length, naturally you're going to assume it's weight related.
I'm not talking completely out of my rear on this. I've raised a couple boys who were built a lot like Ryder and had trouble putting on weight. But with the right programs it's definitely doable. We've seen a lot of wrestlers built like him do so over the years.
Iowa has had plenty of guys go up. Ayala, Murin, Kemmerer, PK, Brands, and Kueter has put in around 20 lbs while playing 2 sports and rehabbing off season.
The difference with PSU is there’s a top 10 pfp guy waiting to fill in not a NQ maybe ranked in the 20s with no notable wins to date in two years. it’s not a big net gain for Block to spend an offseason bulking if it’s not natural.
Block is a very explosive athlete. Quick twitch guys are built more for speed, power, and explosiveness than endurance. As a result, they tend to fatigue a bit faster.Some people look bigger then they actually are. Deakin was one and currently Minto is one . Some guys have fast metabolisms and can't put on size. Block and the staff feel he's a 149 I will go with what they think over forum posters but that's just me
I always believe quickness translates up and is lesser going down.
Ryder very well may be just fine at 149 for many reasons listed above. But Corby....I refuse to just always agree that TnT know best every time. Somewhere along the line they lost that trust with me. I've watched this show for many a years and come to the conclusion that their lineup vision is very short sighted without a long term plan.
I'd preferably rather have Estrada 149/ Block 157 but I am just a casual not in the room so what do I know.
Good news is my job isn't on the line if the lineup doesn't pan out.
Ryder very well may be just fine at 149 for many reasons listed above. But Corby....I refuse to just always agree that TnT know best every time. Somewhere along the line they lost that trust with me. I've watched this show for many a years and come to the conclusion that their lineup vision is very short sighted without a long term plan.
I'd preferably rather have Estrada 149/ Block 157 but I am just a casual not in the room so what do I know.
Good news is my job isn't on the line if the lineup doesn't pan out.
Everyone said the same about Block in high school as well. I have been around him some coming up and he's very lean and hasn't put on much mass in the last few years. If Block thought that weight was an issue he would go up .
Block 149, JW 157 is optimal anyways. Estrada can battle block at 149 if that suits you.
I like how Estrada wrestles. If he makes an uncle Luke type jump and start finishing those attacks at a higher percentage, he will be a problem and the 157 starter. He may not too, but the JW experiment is like a drug that has a decent high but more than not leaves you feeling strung out. I am baffled many still keep taking that drug after all these years.
If JW is deciding to go all in after whatever issues he had last season he’s definitely the best option and if he’s wrestling 70kg maybe he’s the one that needs a minibulk and add to his gas tank at 157.
I guess I believe in change. He’s a good kid that makes bad decisions. Had a big turnaround story with GA last season. I believe we will have another one next season.
Hope and Change is a piss poor strategy and always will be.
Ok tough guy. Nothing about strategy there. It’s the best option. If JW doesn’t pan out we have Estrada and Block which isn’t a better option.
I prefer the JW to the VV drug. One is a hallucinogenic that can be a good trip or a bad trip. The other is just a downer.
I too like a comeback story but many elite and national champions also make bad decisions. The difference is the talent.
I don't think Brands had any intention of bringing JW back but swung and missed in the recent portal for 157. It is what it is but I refuse to manufacture some new high ceiling for this guy because of the forced situation that honestly doesn't likely exist- or at least in folk style.
I'll take Estrada for 100 Pat. I've seen enough of the other 2 for a lifetime.
He’s an R12 guy who’s beaten AAs. But Estrada. At least we like how he wrestles.
I don’t know whether he can dedicate the next 10 months to getting the job done or not but it appears he’s doing something right after the Open and he’s registered with HWC for WTTs both positives considering it’s the “off season”. Maybe he’s trying to prove himself.
Relying on the portal is what we have because of our recruiting struggles. Why take Block out of a weight he AA’d at? Are you that confident he can repeat at 157? Estrada is a huge unknown. Didn’t he lose to little Naak?
You might not think JW has a huge upside or ceiling but I don’t think anyone can deny the talent is there to AA. I’d say instead of bulking Block up to 157 it’d be easier to get JW in the weight room to level up.
Fair points but outside of Drake, Kem and Kennedy I wouldn't point to those as very successful examples.
Drake was a finalist at 133. Kem finalist at 174, Kennedy 2x AA after being at 165. Your metric is flawed
That's why I said "outside of drake, kem and Kennedy..."
Murin….AAd. Kueter…..AAd while adding weight and improved his position.
Murin definitely added some major horsepower but he was a tweener anyway. I'd love to see more of our roster take after what him and Kem did in the S&C area though.
Kueter is definitely not one to point to as a weight and strength adding success story imo. AAing is great but he's done so in spite of his weight and strength gains, not bc of it. Don't forget he was a #1 p4p guy. He needs to look like upper classman Kerk did for his next 2 years.
So you’re implying he should have stayed 220 and that would have gone well? Are we adding Murin to the success side now?
JW has million dollar talent with a ten cent head.
Another coach saw that and sent him packing. Us keeping him around next year is probably as big a gamble as we've seen from Tom, older Ferrari Bros aside.
If it ever clicks though, he has top 3 talent, though it's more likely he punches someone in a bar.