2022-23 Sixers Thread
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This is my understanding of their draft picks:
2023
1st round - traded to Brooklyn, who traded it to Utah
2nd round - forfeited (the NBA ruling on them for tampering)
2024
1st round - they have their pick
2nd round - they forfeited their pick (NBA ruling on tampering); they have New York's 2nd round pick
2025
1st round - traded to Oklahoma City (they are protected if it's a 1 thru 6 pick)
2nd round - traded to Oklahoma City
2026
1st round - they have their pick
2nd round - traded Oklahoma City (Okla. City gets the most favorable of their 2nd round pick, Dallas' 2nd round pick, and the Sixers' 2nd round pick; Houston gets the 2nd most favorable of those picks; Miami gets the least favorable)
2027
1st round - traded to Brooklyn
2nd round - they have their pick
2028
1st round - they have their pick
2nd round - they have their pick
2029
1st round - they have their pick
2nd round - they have their pick and Portland's pick
Ok. Good to know. I read that they can’t trade any picks until the end of the decade. That may be why they alternate having picks.
Are you at all surprised? What Tom posted seems to me to be as bad a long-term hand as one could imagine.
Well, who could have thought Simmons would crater? For a while Simmons made me think of Pippen. Sixers could have had Tatum, a bad miss. Harden, he had some games that were otherworldly, and he just folded in the last five quarters, shockingly pathetic.
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The Sixers are an all-time cautionary tale. The Process generated a crap ton of draft capital in and of itself. It was unreal how much Hinkie accumulated.
But having all that draft capital d meaningless if you don’t or can’t effectively use it. It wasn’t all incompetence. Some of it was bad luck. And some (Embiid) good luck.
Here’s a partial list of draft picks during The Process:
- Michael Carter-Williams - never quite got started
- Joel Embiid - fell to #3 due to injuries and didn’t play for 2 years. That delay compounded bad picks.
- Jahlil Okafor - rookie of the year who couldn’t defend and flames out.
- Ben Simmons - all world talent with zero spine or work ethic. Now happy to collect checks from the sidelines in Brooklyn.
- Markelle Fultz - all time whiff…case study worthy.
- Mikhal Bridges - traded away a guy who is a promising young player.
- Tyrese Maxey - finally another draft hit. Promising young player.
But that list is not what Hinkie envisioned when he accumulated all those draft picks. It’s an abject failure.
I do have a lot of faith in Maxey. His yearly 3pt fgp has improved .301, .427, .434, outstanding. You need to guard him at the line and he’s quick enough to get by anybody. I read some criticism about him that he could not easily go left and I could see that he really improved going left after that. Players from Kentucky tend to be coachable.
It’s really two things on your list that really bothers me:
1. Besides the wiff on Fultz, Tatum was drafted by Boston and we gave up additional draft capital to swap picks.
2. Trading Bridges: home town kid whose mother worked for the Sixers.
ugh
Harris over Butler was a cruel continuation of the Colangelo punking of Philly. That family did crazy damage in a short time with Fultz/Tatum and Harris over Butler.
Doc is a class act. I think most of us wanted him to succeed. The Sixers’ issues run way deeper than coach. And that’s not likely to get fixed.
I disagree, Glenn Rivers teams always had the same flaws. So that’s coaching, they have come up with their worst preformances in close out situations. Once is unfortunate, twice is bad luck, 3x is a problem but he like 20x over 3 different teams. It’s him, he’s just an average coach who doesn’t know how to win when it matters.
BYE GLENN … I won’t miss you!
An interesting assessment of Harden’s game.
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The Sixers Absolutely Cannot Bring Back James Harden
James Harden has been the biggest failure among superstar players when it comes to playoff success. That is precisely why the Sixers cannot bring him back.
thesixersense.com
If they plan on signing him for 4 years , 205 million, no thanks. Unfortunately, if they don't sign him, they only have 12 million to play with. If they could get him at 35 million for 2 years, I might do it, because the alternative is that you have no one to replace his 20 and 10. But, you can't saddle yourself for 4 years, and that's probably what he will get somewhere. Then you have to piece it together with band aids until you can get rid of Harris' worthless contract.An interesting assessment of Harden’s game.
The Sixers Absolutely Cannot Bring Back James Harden
James Harden has been the biggest failure among superstar players when it comes to playoff success. That is precisely why the Sixers cannot bring him back.
Hmmm. what do my fellow Sixer fans think of this? The article did a great job of highlighting all of the good/not so good traits of Nurse that I know about him - Good: coaching defense, offensive rebounding and utilizing length and athletic traits of players; Meh: Not really an Offensive genius. It seems to me that in the NBA, offense wins championships more so than defense, so not so sure how I feel about this in the long run. I also think the Embiid/Nurse so called "relationship" is a whole lot of nothing and would not be the tiniest of issues if he were to be hired.
They may as well write off 2023-2024 and go into next summer with the goal of being done with Harris and trying to sign a max free agent to complement Embiid. The wrinkle is that Embiid's window may be effectively closed by that point.
I am wondering if Embiid gets moved here. His value will never be higher than it is now and would the Sixers blow it up and take on considerable draft assets?
This is a head scratcher. Supposedly, both Harden and Embiid were informed of the Doc decision bit if that’s true Embiid certainly has not been upfront with it and said publicly how much he liked Doc. If Harden is Houston bound, why wouldn’t he be upfront and tell ownership that the Doc decision means little to him.
What is clear is that the problems on this team really start with Embiid. It’s difficult when your best player doesn’t lead and Embiid’s immaturity shines a bit in cases like this. I think Harden cares more about music than hoops and Embiid is more a follower than leader. It always seemed to me that this was the attraction he had with Butler. He realized that Jimmy is the alpha dog and he could hide behind him. If Butler had stayed, it would have been interesting given that Jimmy doesn't put up with nonsense and he is happy to break your balls.
This team is a mess. If you don’t keep Embiid and Harden together the top candidates for coaching aren’t coming here since you have zero chance. I don’t know squat, but I’d blow it up if Harden is gone. I don’t know the names but I’d at least kick the tires and see if there’s a young assistant coach who has learned from Spolstra. If you’re starting over maybe a guy from the Heat tree who has learned the trade from possibly one of sport’s most underrated coaches is a path forward.
What is clear is that the problems on this team really start with Embiid. It’s difficult when your best player doesn’t lead and Embiid’s immaturity shines a bit in cases like this. I think Harden cares more about music than hoops and Embiid is more a follower than leader. It always seemed to me that this was the attraction he had with Butler. He realized that Jimmy is the alpha dog and he could hide behind him. If Butler had stayed, it would have been interesting given that Jimmy doesn't put up with nonsense and he is happy to break your balls.
This team is a mess. If you don’t keep Embiid and Harden together the top candidates for coaching aren’t coming here since you have zero chance. I don’t know squat, but I’d blow it up if Harden is gone. I don’t know the names but I’d at least kick the tires and see if there’s a young assistant coach who has learned from Spolstra. If you’re starting over maybe a guy from the Heat tree who has learned the trade from possibly one of sport’s most underrated coaches is a path forward.
Morey must feel somewhat backed into a corner. He really has few options for contention going forward. Grab your popcorn.
It seems pretty certain that they are just going to let Hardin go back to Houston. The big question is whether the Sixers should trade Embid? Is it time to totally rebuild and start the process over again? Embid would get you probably the 3rd draft pick plus some other assets. He’s 29 now and he’s injury prone. Maybe this is the time to cut bait and start over and build around Maxey and some younger players. In another year Harris can be cut loose as well.
I wouldn’t trade him for the #3 pick. The Sixers won’t get close to his value back that way. That’s the big issue I see in trading him. They’re basically giving up on contention and that’s a major issue for fans.
I desperately want new blood in the head coaching hire. A young assistant coach from a successful organization with good culture like the Heat that is PROMOTED to head coach rather than an old coach that was just fired. Why take someone else’s trash?? I felt that way when they hired Glen Rivers. I really would have liked for them to get Tye Lue but the second Glen became available (after being fired for losing a 3-1 lead) the owners fell in love with the name. For the record, Tye Lue and Glen have the same number of championships. Nick nurse seems to grind on his players and the other retreads are all coming off being fired.
Be bold Daryl! Bring in someone with fresh ideas and energy. Sign and trade your boy Harden back to his strip club paradise where he’s king. Bring back young pieces that are hungry and build an offense around Embiid and Maxey!
Be bold Daryl! Bring in someone with fresh ideas and energy. Sign and trade your boy Harden back to his strip club paradise where he’s king. Bring back young pieces that are hungry and build an offense around Embiid and Maxey!
Sixers: “I can’t believe we were up 3-2 with all the momentum and a chance to choke out this Celtics team who doesn’t want to play anymore with two horrible close out games. I wonder if anyone in the league could possibly embarrass themselves more than we did.”
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