I checked. “…any part of the head, body, or feet…” Redundant but unambiguous.
2022 World Cup - General Discussion & Non-USA teams thread
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For a sport that is lacking in scoring, you'd think they would make it easier to score goals.
depends on the side you're on. If you're an offensive player, any part of the body past the last defender EXCEPT the arm makes you offsides. If you're a defensive player, if any part of your body, including just the arm, is between your goal and the offensive player, then the offensive player is not offsides.
That said, I disagree with you about the Spanish player's arm being between the goal and Rudiger.
Maybe I'm watching through my (PA Dutch) German American lenses.
GOOOOAAAAALLLLLLL!!!
Spain, at the 61st minute, to take a 1-0 lead
Spain, at the 61st minute, to take a 1-0 lead
yeah, if the Birds were on, I'd have missed it as well. But I'll take this match over any NFL game taking place right now.
Final: 1-1 tie between Spain and Germany. Germany nearly won the game in stoppage time.
A great battle; fun to watch.
A great battle; fun to watch.
Germany had a great chance at the end, the keeper played it perfectly.
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If that was the case wouldn’t you then be through your (PA Dutch) German American lenses watching?
That totally am biguous to me (there's a desperate attempt at a joke in there somewhere). "Body" could refer to the whole of a person ... but here they're speaking to it as if the body is separate from the head, which is sometimes the way to which it's referred ... but then the feet are also separate from the "body." So are hands separate from the "body" here? Are legs separate from the "body"? What about arms? People who don't know how to write shouldn't be writing rules.
And people that don't understand the rules shouldn't be taking snippets of them and making sweeping pronouncements (or jokes).
The wording is refined every year, and for offsides is pretty much perfectly worded. In addition, soccer refs go through a lot of classes and instructions about the Laws of the Game, so to them it is not a bunch of ambiguous guidelines.
For the offensive player, they can score a goal with any part of their body except their arms. That's why arms are not included in the text of the rule. Basically, if you're an offensive player, your arm can be past a defender and you're not offsides, as that part of your body can not score. If ANY other part of your body (which includes the feet, torso, head, any part of the leg, or anything else that's not the arm) is ahead of the 2nd to last defender when the ball is played to them, then they are in an offside position. As such, if they touch the ball before the defense does, either from a pass or from a ball that rebounds off the goalpost, then they will be called offsides.
Stating that refs go through lots of classes and instructions, so they know what all the ambiguous stuff is really supposed to mean isn't helping your cause. It's doing the opposite.
I checked the actual rule, and it DOES specify in there that the hands and arms are not considered part of the body for this rule ... but that does nothing to clear up the reason for distinguishing the head and feet from the rest of the body when the legs (and the various portions of the legs) are not mentioned, as well. A decently written rule would simply say "body" and indicate that the "body" was everything except the hands and arms for this rule. Pretty simple. Separating out other body parts as not part of the body (or mentioning them a second time, if they are part of the body) adds needless ambiguity. It's reasonable, given the rule's actual wording, to think "hey, the head isn't part of the body here, and the feet aren't either ... so the legs may not be, too" ... which is relevant because a knee can lead the rest of the body in stride.
not at all what I'm claiming. The Laws of the Game aren't that difficult to understand, once you've been trained as a ref. The courses are to ensure that refs are all on the same page when changes take place, as well as to serve as a periodic review to make sure that certain refs haven't gotten sloppy, and missed a clarification or two that was sent out and are enforcing rules incorrectly, etc.
we'll have to agree to disagree.
So what do we now know after the first week that we have suspected?
Messi is on the take from Saudi Arabia and mailed in his performance against them so as to help them as much as possible advance. 35 million max counting to help those filthy vermin continue to attempt to repair their international image as savages and terrorists. Just guessing the team called him on the carpet over what he did and like all grifters, he Has worked his way out of speculation for the time being. Pleading, begging, pointing fingers, he had bought himself some time.
If I were the coach for Argentina he would have been sent packing without a ticket.
Just another star who has failed miserably as a human being. The Argentines though, viewing him as a Deity and icon much the same as the did for Maradona will give him a pass. Shame on them.
Will I continue to cheer on my beloved Argentina? Yes. But with disgust in my heart for Lionel Messi.
Messi is on the take from Saudi Arabia and mailed in his performance against them so as to help them as much as possible advance. 35 million max counting to help those filthy vermin continue to attempt to repair their international image as savages and terrorists. Just guessing the team called him on the carpet over what he did and like all grifters, he Has worked his way out of speculation for the time being. Pleading, begging, pointing fingers, he had bought himself some time.
If I were the coach for Argentina he would have been sent packing without a ticket.
Just another star who has failed miserably as a human being. The Argentines though, viewing him as a Deity and icon much the same as the did for Maradona will give him a pass. Shame on them.
Will I continue to cheer on my beloved Argentina? Yes. But with disgust in my heart for Lionel Messi.
I caught the last 25 minutes (10 minutes stoppage time) of South Korea-Ghana, great soccer. SK threw the kitchen sink at the keeper, not good enough.
they are quite talented. But it's still scoreless through 75 minutes. (And the VAR waving off the Brazil goal due to offsides was correct, IMHO.)
Brazil springs out of a simple play for a great goal at the 82nd minute. 1-0, Brazil
He makes this looks so easy. It's actually quite a challenge to strike a bouncing ball with a high degree of control. I think Casemiro's shot was helped by the fact that the ball nudged the read end of the Swiss defender, which also pushed it into the corner of the goal.
He makes this looks so easy. It's actually quite a challenge to strike a bouncing ball with a high degree of control. I think Casemiro's shot was helped by the fact that the ball nudged the read end of the Swiss defender, which also pushed it into the corner of the goal.
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Portugal gets kind of lucky in the 55th minute to go up 1-0 over Uruguay. Ronaldo does not touch this centering pass when ends up going in the side of the goal. But his presence and attempt to head it impacts the GK. In real time, I thought Ronaldo was offside, but in looking at the video review a defender on the far side was hanging back, which kept Ronaldo onside.
ugh, this is when I hate VAR. At the 89th minute, the Uruguay defender, in the box, tries to block a shot. He falls backwards as doing so, and the ball hits his hand (that he puts out to break his fall). The ref (5-10 yards away, signals for a corner. VAR then buzzes him and he goes and checks the video, and changes it to a PK. IMHO, that's a natural use of the arm, and should not be a PK. Technically, by the Laws of the Game and guidance provided to refs, the call is correct. Most refs would not award a PK on such a play, but with VAR something like that can get called.
FWIW, Portugal scored on the PK, so it's 2-0, Portugal, in stoppage time.
FWIW, Portugal scored on the PK, so it's 2-0, Portugal, in stoppage time.
Caught the last 20 minutes of the game. Just wild.
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