270-268 scenario

[mstateglfr]

There is no reason that every state in America shouldn’t have election results immediately in 2024. It’s insane that we take a week to count votes. I don’t know if there is election fraud or not, but the way we do it is stone age

Well yeah that's wild, but I wasn't considering that to be what the other poster referred to as 'problems'.

The slow results is seen as a feature by many traditionalists since the slow results are due to each state doing their own thing when it comes to elections.
We could certainly nationalize the election laws and processes...but at the same time, the gvt is on year 2 of even getting the fasfa process changed and that was a disastrous rollout, so I can't imagine how an election program would go!

 

[campshelbydog1116]

Well yeah that's wild, but I wasn't considering that to be what the other poster referred to as 'problems'.

The slow results is seen as a feature by many traditionalists since the slow results are due to each state doing their own thing when it comes to elections.
We could certainly nationalize the election laws and processes...but at the same time, the gvt is on year 2 of even getting the fasfa process changed and that was a disastrous rollout, so I can't imagine how an election program would go!

Yea I’m not talking about his point. We have the technology to make this really easy and choose not to. Why is that? Who does this benefit? That’s a legit question. Why are we acting like a 3rd world country with vote counting

 

[ckDOG]

The popular vote is a big surprise to me.

It's a make my **** cheaper mandate. Good luck, Trump admin. I hope they are successful and held accountable the same sensitivities/context with respect to the global markets that the Biden admin was. I mean that seriously too. We should have high standards in the world's largest economy. I just hope they are consistently high and don't shift when a a promised shift of income taxes to tariffs is implemented.

 

[pseudonym]

NC called for Trump. That pretty much means Trump will at least win all the states he won in 2020.

 

[ckDOG]

NC called for Trump. That pretty much means Trump will at least win all the states he won in 2020.

PA isn't far behind. This is done.

 

[Xenomorph]

Republicans gain control of senate.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Only question left is the House. It may be a week or 2 before we know, and that will determine whether Trump's legislative agenda passes or not.

I don't think there has ever been an election year before where the presidency, Senate, and House all flipped but not in the same direction.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Yeah, I think it's just the price you pay when you get such a late start on a campaign. Neither candidate really shot themselves in the foot too badly over the past 3-4 months….Trump just had the brand and recognition. Just another swing of the old pendulum…

Well everyone knew Biden was not home a year ago or more. Had opportunities over last two years to oust and do a primary to test a popular candidate. The dem brass chose to ride Biden popularity then swap for Kamala at the end. Bad decision it would appear unless Hail Mary comes out of Fulton county and Allegheny and Milwaukee

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Republicans gain control of senate.

Makes John Boozman from Arkansas the Senate Ag Chair

I’m hearing if the house flips there’s a possibility that Bennie Thompson because House Ag Chair.

Still hearing Keenum is on the list for Sec of Ag. The list has gotten smaller as well.

 

[ckDOG]

Makes John Boozman from Arkansas the Senate Ag Chair

I’m hearing if the house flips there’s a possibility that Bennie Thompson because House Ag Chair.

Still hearing Keenum is on the list for Sec of Ag. The list has gotten smaller as well.

Haven't looked at the house projections. Could it still flip? Wouldn't think so given POTUS election.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Haven't looked at the house projections. Could it still flip? Wouldn't think so given POTUS election.

As of right now the House will still flip.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Big news - with 94% of precincts reporting, Trump has won Issaquena County.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

Barring a late surprise surge this is over.

 

[Xenomorph]

Big news - with 94% of precincts reporting, Trump has won Issaquena County.

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Was this one of the 15 counties selecting our president tonight?

**

 

[85Bears]

Well everyone knew Biden was not home a year ago or more. Had opportunities over last two years to oust and do a primary to test a popular candidate. The dem brass chose to ride Biden popularity then swap for Kamala at the end. Bad decision it would appear unless Hail Mary comes out of Fulton county and Allegheny and Milwaukee

Would Hail Mary be driving an 18 wheeler full of shady ballots ?

 

[ckDOG]

As of right now the House will still flip.

Wow. I guess it's just incumbent math there.

 

[Xenomorph]

CNN called GA for Trump.

The status of the race is the same as it was two hours ago. It’s still over.

 

[Xenomorph]

Democrat campaign manager says Kamala Harris dipped on out tonight.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Well everyone knew Biden was not home a year ago or more. Had opportunities over last two years to oust and do a primary to test a popular candidate. The dem brass chose to ride Biden popularity then swap for Kamala at the end. Bad decision it would appear unless Hail Mary comes out of Fulton county and Allegheny and Milwaukee

Yep. Just a ton of laziness from both parties, repeatedly. The last 3 presidential elections have felt like watching the MSU-Auburn 3-2 game on repeat. Yeah, somebody has to not lose each time. But its still just painful to watch….no matter who you root for.

Going back to the electoral college, that’s my biggest gripe with it. Lazy candidate nominations, half-*** campaigns with rehashed talking points in very geographically specific areas of the country. No fresh or new ideas from either side that could distract or lose the attention of the “base”. You go to a popular vote system, and it demands a lot more accountability from these 17wads on both sides of the aisle to put someone forward with real vision.

 

[POTUS]

Florida counted all their votes before 9:00 PM. You want NPV? Let’s make every state do it like them first and then we’ll talk.

He’s gonna win the NPV too though, so it’s not gonna matter.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

Trump is a near 2-1 favorite in gambling markets if you want to see an actual poll that reflects reality. They aren't in the business of losing money.

ThEbEtTiNgMaRkEtDoEsNtKnOw

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Florida counted all their votes before 9:00 PM. You want NPV? Let’s make every state do it like them first and then we’ll talk.

He’s gonna win the NPV too though, so it’s not gonna matter.

After the 2000 debacle Florida said “let’s get our shít together”. Most streamlined polling in the country.

 

[Xenomorph]

Fox called PA and the election for Trump.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Florida counted all their votes before 9:00 PM. You want NPV? Let’s make every state do it like them first and then we’ll talk.

Definitely sounds like a good system. I’m on board.

He’s gonna win the NPV too though, so it’s not gonna matter.

Can’t speak for everyone, but my preference of the NPV over the electoral college has nothing to do with who wins. Its just the most fair and equitable system for the voters regardless, as well as the system that holds the candidates the most accountable to the entire electorate. And I think tonight proves that they aren’t as far apart as people think, anyway.

 

[Xenomorph]

It seems when people go to the polls they prioritize policy over the person.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Who TF thought the margin in New Jersey would be 6%? If you told me that yesterday, I'd have said the race would be called before my kids' bedtime.

 

[pseudonym]

I haven't heard this discussed much. Sorry if I missed a thread on this.

This is a very reasonable map:
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This map is no longer in play.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

After the 2000 debacle Florida said “let’s get our shít together”. Most streamlined polling in the country.

Yes every state needs to copy Florida but some states don't want to institute a lot of the rules they have either

Who TF thought the margin in New Jersey would be 6%? If you told me that yesterday, I'd have said the race would be called before my kids' bedtime.

that's pretty wild but she was not a popular candidate no matter what main stream media tried to push. There was a reason she didn't do well in primaries in 2020. They should have kicked Biden out two years ago and started open the primary race to let someone come to the top. But the brass decided to ride Biden to almost to end and switch. Just dumb.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

It is clownish to let the popular vote decide the Presidency no matter who wins it. 95% of the time 17 (17ing) counties decide the popular vote! That is insane that anyone would consider that fair. That is why we are a Constitutional Republic. To keep that idiocy from happening. This year is going to be the rare time the Electoral College winner also wins the popular vote.

 

[Anon1717806835]

It is clownish to let the popular vote decide the Presidency no matter who wins it. 95% of the time 17 (17ing) counties decide the popular vote! That is insane that anyone would consider that fair. That is why we are a Constitutional Republic. To keep that idiocy from happening. This year is going to be the rare time the Electoral College winner also wins the popular vote.

Winning the popular vote but losing in the EC has only happened 5 times in the history of the nation.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I urge everyone here, no matter who you voted for, don't get caught up in all the online hoaxes about stolen elections, changed votes, etc. Let's learn our lesson from 4 years ago.

There is absolutely and error in the 2020 census that makes hi scenario possible. The census has admitted there is an error.

Directly from census.gov
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/05/2020-census-undercount-overcount-rates-by-state.html

But it doesn't matter! TOO BIG TO RIG!!

 

[paindonthurt17]

The second Republicans win the popular vote and lose the electoral college (maybe today) it will gone for the next election. You can count on that.

i will bet you $500 and give you 5 to 1 odds republicans don't push and get rid of the electoral college in the next 20 years. I'll send my money to DS to put in a trust if you'll send yours.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Its awfully convenient timing to have these allocations that have been uncontested for 4 years suddenly be questioned with supposed real numbers on today of all days. Why should we trust some alternate estimate?

Also I remember that New York was in line to get the 436th seat, not Florida, when all the allocation was announced.

They have been contested.

 

[paindonthurt17]

That possibly also exists with the EC. You can win with only the 12 largest states.

CA
TX
FL
NY
IL
PA
OH
GA
NC
MI
NJ
VA

To be clear, not arguing against the EC. Its power roughly aligns with how legislative power is assigned. But those top 12 can get you there with a middle finger to the remaining 38.

It would be way worse with a popular vote.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I think that is a good idea, but I doubt that is realistic either. Things like that would have to be done at the State level. The fact is that with the exception of a the swing states, the State legislatures are controlled by the party that generally carries the State's electoral votes. The Mississippi legislature is not going to make a change that tips so much as 1 electoral vote to the Democrats.

and they shouldn't

its part of the balance of power of our great constitution.

 

[paindonthurt17]

They were pointed out above. Don't believe everything you read. I look at the Telegraph fairly regularly. It's important to realize what it is.

Its a fact. He linked the census.gov article. So did i.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Thanks to the Electoral College, Pennsylvania (a state that has voted blue in 7 of the last 8 elections) is essentially picking our president today. Is that really more ideal than letting the whole country do it?

We all understand why it was put int place in the 1700s. That doesn't mean we have to stick with it today.

The whole country spoke. DONALD TURMP WON.

 

[mstateglfr]

It seems when people go to the polls they prioritize policy over the person.

Or they prioritize a concept of a policy over the person.

 

[pseudonym]

 

[patdog]

I look forward to a growing economy with low taxes, low inflation, no issues from deporting millions of working people, national debt being eliminated, war ending before inauguration in Ukraine and Gaza, and my wife and daughters finally being protected.


That's just 2% of what he has promised, but I don't want to expect too much, so I will be content with that small list of promises being accomplished.

Look, I didn't vote for either of these candidates. But you REALLY don't want to get into comparing the economy or foreign policy under Trump to what we had with the Biden/Harris presidency. You really don't want to even go there.