270-268 scenario

mstateglfr

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Look, I didn't vote for either of these candidates. But you REALLY don't want to get into comparing the economy or foreign policy under Trump to what we had with the Biden/Harris presidency. You really don't want to even go there.
My post was serious- I look forward to that all happening. He has promised all of it and said it will be easily done, with him doing some of it even before he takes office.
Of course I want a growing economy with low inflation, no national debt, and the end of a couple global wars.
 

Perd Hapley

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It is clownish to let the popular vote decide the Presidency no matter who wins it. 95% of the time 17 (17ing) counties decide the popular vote! That is insane that anyone would consider that fair. That is why we are a Constitutional Republic. To keep that idiocy from happening. This year is going to be the rare time the Electoral College winner also wins the popular vote.
I think you have that backwards. 17 counties decide the electoral vote. Not the popular vote. There’s no number of counties that could possibly decide the popular vote because the margin of victory in every county is infinitely variable. Every single vote would actually matter.
 

L4Dawg

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Definitely sounds like a good system. I’m on board.


Can’t speak for everyone, but my preference of the NPV over the electoral college has nothing to do with who wins. Its just the most fair and equitable system for the voters regardless, as well as the system that holds the candidates the most accountable to the entire electorate. And I think tonight proves that they aren’t as far apart as people think, anyway.
The Senate and the Electoral college were concessions to smaller states to get them on board with the Constitution. The smaller states were afraid their rights would be totally swamped by the larger states. That dynamic is even bigger today.
 

johnson86-1

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Since 2000, between 22% and 36% of LA County voted Republican in Presidential elections. That means more than 1 out of every 4 votes has not mattered each election. 0 weight to those votes. Meaningless votes.

Allowing every vote to count the same would make those votes actually count.
If voting for the losing side means your vote doesn't count, then somewhere close to half of votes are never going to count. They voted and their votes counted, but they were outnumbered by people that voted differently than them. It happens. The fact that they were significantly outvoted doesn't make their vote count any less.
 
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So the election was legitimate now, I guess. For the record I did not vote for Harris and I am NOT a Democrat.
GD are you dumb?

no one said the election was illegitimate

It’s a fact the census bureau made a mistake. It’s a fact. They admitted it. You have a link from census.gov

can you read?
 

L4Dawg

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GD are you dumb?

no one said the election was illegitimate

It’s a fact the census bureau made a mistake. It’s a fact. They admitted it. You have a link from census.gov

can you read?
We know where that was going if the election had turned out otherwise.
 

mstateglfr

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If voting for the losing side means your vote doesn't count, then somewhere close to half of votes are never going to count. They voted and their votes counted, but they were outnumbered by people that voted differently than them. It happens. The fact that they were significantly outvoted doesn't make their vote count any less.
But it does make those votes count less from a national standpoint and my point has been the Presidential election is a national election for the leader of all of the US.
Whether or not someone voted for Trump in LA County made no difference. Their vote did not impact who was elected. Their vote didnt matter. They could have been passed out drunk the whole day, not voted, and it wouldnt have mattered.

But if we make every vote count equally across the US for Presidential elections, that person's vote in LA County does count. It does impact the election. It does matter.


This is all just a discussion on at what point do votes get tallied up.
You want votes to be tallied at the state level and want the impact of some states to be higher than the impact of other states, based on population.
I want all votes to count the same and for votes to be tallied up at the national level since it is a vote for the leader of the nation. I want everyone's vote to directly impact the election.

The Heritage site that explains why the Electoral College is beautiful is about 20% substance and 80% surface level justification that doesnt stand up to even mild scrutiny.
After almost 250 years, we still dont have a national election where everyone's vote counts equally. Its wild.
 
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We know where that was going if the election had turned out otherwise.
If it ended up exactly 270 to 268? Yeah it would have be a talking point and a legit one.

But you still haven’t admitted it’s true. It’s a fact the census got it wrong. FACT

You don’t think dems would be discussing it if the error hurt them?
 

85Bears

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Hopefully Nate Silver can get the money together to pay off that Florida bet. What a fraud that guy is.
 
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