3rd straight 10 win season

[PSUJam]

More bad news. Sorry.

 

[psuno1]

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Go tweet that to Nick Saban and Brady Quinn.

 

[leinbacker]

Paterno’s 4 straight seasons of at least 10 victories from 1971 to 1974 is more impressive. Even the streak from 1980-1982 is more impressive.

To be honest, Pitt’s 3 straight seasons of going 11-1 from 1979 to 1981 is also more impressive.

Especially that 1981 team.

 

[rigi19040]

Who was coaching from 82 to 2011? What was the excuse?

 

[manatree]

Yes, we were a terror to the service academies.

We played all three in two of those four years. Somehow Air Force was left off the schedule in the other two.

 

[LionJim]

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Fake news.

 

[Bob78]

Maybe we should schedule army, navy, air force, Syracuse, Maryland, Rutgers, temple, west Virginia and Pitt. Let's also factor in the fact that Pennsylvania was producing about three times as much talent as today.

Paterno actually underperformed.

Zero top 10 wins from 71-74. 0-3. Losses to tennessee, Tennessee and ncstate. Also lost 7-6 to an unranked navy.

I'm not arguing against the OP's intent; I think the consecutive 10 win seasons in this climate of college football is a tremendous accomplishment, as is the # of wins vs P4 Bowl-eligible teams. Kudos to Franklin and all around. I won't compare the college football of today vs. pre-Playoff/NIL/Xfer seasons. It's a different animal in that it is much tougher for coaches in a variety of ways.

Franklin has done a great job. Outside of a very few schools, it has been shown that winning 9+ games per season consistently is quite a feat. 10 wins, 3 consecutive seasons? We PSU fans should appreciate that with admiration and pride.

But when looking back at college football as a whole in the 70s, for example, the Eastern Independents are comparable to any other Conference in the imbalance of power. The Big Ten was called the Big Two for a reason. The SEC played each other in such a hit-and-miss fashion that two teams from that conference sometimes met in the Sugar Bowl. The ACC was often a one-hit wonder of a conference. The Pac 8(!) was USC.... and the flavor du jour. The SWC (again, 8 teams), was Texas and maybe Arkansas. The Big 8 was usually Oklahoma and Nebraska. Those conference champions didn't beat many - sometimes any - other top 5 teams, either. Gotta look at the whole of college ball at the time.

Paterno did not under-perform. He wanted a challenging schedule while still supporting the Eastern Independents. He was a leading advocate for playing more intersectional games to raise the prominence of Eastern football in general, to show the Eastern schools could play with the rest of the country. Pitt and others benefited from that. PSU had often had an interesting intersectional schedule outside of the affiliation, but Paterno took it to another level. His teams consistently played a variety of teams from each of the conferences - the same teams that the Big Two from those conferences got credit for beating without challenge.

The 1982 NC Team played the most difficult regular season schedule in history. They also were the first NC team to have more passing yards than rushing yards.

We long-time PSU fans have been fortunate to have cheered all those great players, great teams, and great coaches - especially Joe - and that is the on-field legacy that should be kept in mind, not torn down. Joe's tremendous impact on his players over 46 seasons speaks for itself, as probably 99% of those players revere him to this day.
Franklin is a different person than Joe, that's ok. He has to do things his way given the current state of the game. Again, all kudos to him and staff and players and teams. Well done, CJF.

 

[Midnighter]

Next thing you know someone is going to donate millions for the stadium upgrades and it'll really be a bad day.

Sleeping on the job buddy….

 

[BobPSU92]

Sleeping on the job buddy….

 

[rigi19040]

I'm not arguing against the OP's intent; I think the consecutive 10 win seasons in this climate of college football is a tremendous accomplishment, as is the # of wins vs P4 Bowl-eligible teams. Kudos to Franklin and all around. I won't compare the college football of today vs. pre-Playoff/NIL/Xfer seasons. It's a different animal in that it is much tougher for coaches in a variety of ways.

Franklin has done a great job. Outside of a very few schools, it has been shown that winning 9+ games per season consistently is quite a feat. 10 wins, 3 consecutive seasons? We PSU fans should appreciate that with admiration and pride.

But when looking back at college football as a whole in the 70s, for example, the Eastern Independents are comparable to any other Conference in the imbalance of power. The Big Ten was called the Big Two for a reason. The SEC played each other in such a hit-and-miss fashion that two teams from that conference sometimes met in the Sugar Bowl. The ACC was often a one-hit wonder of a conference. The Pac 8(!) was USC.... and the flavor du jour. The SWC (again, 8 teams), was Texas and maybe Arkansas. The Big 8 was usually Oklahoma and Nebraska. Those conference champions didn't beat many - sometimes any - other top 5 teams, either. Gotta look at the whole of college ball at the time.

Paterno did not under-perform. He wanted a challenging schedule while still supporting the Eastern Independents. He was a leading advocate for playing more intersectional games to raise the prominence of Eastern football in general, to show the Eastern schools could play with the rest of the country. Pitt and others benefited from that. PSU had often had an interesting intersectional schedule outside of the affiliation, but Paterno took it to another level. His teams consistently played a variety of teams from each of the conferences - the same teams that the Big Two from those conferences got credit for beating without challenge.

The 1982 NC Team played the most difficult regular season schedule in history. They also were the first NC team to have more passing yards than rushing yards.

We long-time PSU fans have been fortunate to have cheered all those great players, great teams, and great coaches - especially Joe - and that is the on-field legacy that should be kept in mind, not torn down. Joe's tremendous impact on his players over 46 seasons speaks for itself, as probably 99% of those players revere him to this day.
Franklin is a different person than Joe, that's ok. He has to do things his way given the current state of the game. Again, all kudos to him and staff and players and teams. Well done, CJF.

I think he did underperform. Joe did not have three straight 10 win seasons since 82. If Franklin can do it then dont you think Joe should have been able to do it his last 30 years? There was also MUCH more talent coming out of Pennsylvania back then. Pennsylvania was third in producing NFL players. Probably not even top 10 today.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

I'm not arguing against the OP's intent; I think the consecutive 10 win seasons in this climate of college football is a tremendous accomplishment, as is the # of wins vs P4 Bowl-eligible teams. Kudos to Franklin and all around. I won't compare the college football of today vs. pre-Playoff/NIL/Xfer seasons. It's a different animal in that it is much tougher for coaches in a variety of ways.

Franklin has done a great job. Outside of a very few schools, it has been shown that winning 9+ games per season consistently is quite a feat. 10 wins, 3 consecutive seasons? We PSU fans should appreciate that with admiration and pride.

But when looking back at college football as a whole in the 70s, for example, the Eastern Independents are comparable to any other Conference in the imbalance of power. The Big Ten was called the Big Two for a reason. The SEC played each other in such a hit-and-miss fashion that two teams from that conference sometimes met in the Sugar Bowl. The ACC was often a one-hit wonder of a conference. The Pac 8(!) was USC.... and the flavor du jour. The SWC (again, 8 teams), was Texas and maybe Arkansas. The Big 8 was usually Oklahoma and Nebraska. Those conference champions didn't beat many - sometimes any - other top 5 teams, either. Gotta look at the whole of college ball at the time.

Paterno did not under-perform. He wanted a challenging schedule while still supporting the Eastern Independents. He was a leading advocate for playing more intersectional games to raise the prominence of Eastern football in general, to show the Eastern schools could play with the rest of the country. Pitt and others benefited from that. PSU had often had an interesting intersectional schedule outside of the affiliation, but Paterno took it to another level. His teams consistently played a variety of teams from each of the conferences - the same teams that the Big Two from those conferences got credit for beating without challenge.

The 1982 NC Team played the most difficult regular season schedule in history. They also were the first NC team to have more passing yards than rushing yards.

We long-time PSU fans have been fortunate to have cheered all those great players, great teams, and great coaches - especially Joe - and that is the on-field legacy that should be kept in mind, not torn down. Joe's tremendous impact on his players over 46 seasons speaks for itself, as probably 99% of those players revere him to this day.
Franklin is a different person than Joe, that's ok. He has to do things his way given the current state of the game. Again, all kudos to him and staff and players and teams. Well done, CJF.

Put the fvcking plaques back up!

 

[Bob78]

I think he did underperform. Joe did not have three straight 10 win seasons since 82. If Franklin can do it then dont you think Joe should have been able to do it his last 30 years? There was also MUCH more talent coming out of Pennsylvania back then. Pennsylvania was third in producing NFL players. Probably not even top 10 today.

To balance that pov....

11 game regular seasons didn't happen until 1971, and that season required an exemption to do so. The bar was set higher. 11 games, 12 with a bowl, was the max. Since about 20 years ago, it's 12 regular season games and 13 with a bowl.
Joe's teams went 11-0 back-to-back in '68 and '69, as part of a 31 game unbeaten streak.
His teams won at least 10 games for 4 consecutive seasons, '71 thru '74.
In 5 of 6 seasons from '77 thru '82, they won at least 10 games.
In 3 of 4 seasons from '91 thru '94, they won at least 10 games.

I believe we should celebrate that level of success, understand that at least some part of why James has success is due to the 50 years of PSU foitball success and branding that came before him. And we should celebrate James' success on its own merit.

There are many reasons Joe was considered to be among the best ever of his era. His record, his innovation, his bowl success, his player development, his sincere and genuine emphasis on academics, and how he helped other coaches are among those reasons.

 

[CVLion]

Cripes.

Joe had plenty of impressive accomplishments.

Franklin has been producing some of his own.

I’m happy to appreciate the good memories that have been generated by both, and am hopeful in looking forward to more.

I see no need to tear down or pump up either Joe or CJF in some pointless apples-to-oranges different-eras comparison.

Aren’t one’s hobbies (such as college football fandom) supposed to be a source of enjoyment and a positive distraction from our daily lives?

WTF people?

And a Happy Thanksgiving to all BTW

 

[OptionBob]

To balance that pov....

11 game regular seasons didn't happen until 1971, and that season required an exemption to do so. The bar was set higher. 11 games, 12 with a bowl, was the max. Since about 20 years ago, it's 12 regular season games and 13 with a bowl.
Joe's teams went 11-0 back-to-back in '68 and '69, as part of a 31 game unbeaten streak.
His teams won at least 10 games for 4 consecutive seasons, '71 thru '74.
In 5 of 6 seasons from '77 thru '82, they won at least 10 games.
In 3 of 4 seasons from '91 thru '94, they won at least 10 games.

I believe we should celebrate that level of success, understand that at least some part of why James has success is due to the 50 years of PSU foitball success and branding that came before him. And we should celebrate James' success on its own merit.

There are many reasons Joe was considered to be among the best ever of his era. His record, his innovation, his bowl success, his player development, his sincere and genuine emphasis on academics, and how he helped other coaches are among those reasons.

Great posts, Bob78.

All I would add is that in those seasons prior to 1975, Paterno had to field teams limited to only 25 scholarships per year, as opposed to the SEC, Big 8, and SWC programs that had no limits.

Most Penn State fans remember Johnny Majors' canceling of that "agreement" among Eastern Independents when he took over at Pitt in 1973.

Yet despite such limits, Joe's teams beat the Big 8 champions twice (68-69 seasons), SWC champions twice (71 and 74 seasons), and XSEC runner-up LSU in 1973 season.

Underperformed? Unbelievable comment from a Penn Stater.