A very wise man said on more than one occasion
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This year - yes. And it goes down $8MM every year of the contract.
Is this some Philly-smart a$$ rhetorical question?
A new head coach is required to compete. Lots of potential candidates.
Disagree? Feel free to expound.
Its not whether I agree or disagree. What is the probablitliy of this happening? Fairly slim.
I gave information on contract buyouts above. PSU would be on the hook for a fairly large amount of money.
Additionally, you have no idea if a new coach would be better. You should not assume a new guy will be like Saban at Alabama, Dabo at Clemson, Smart at Georgia. Ohio State has had, with one notable exception, a great run since Cooper. But, those programs are outliers.
Give me some of your candidates whom you think will either a) leave their current job), AND b) will guarantee the type of success that the aforementiond coaches enjoy - which is what you are aspiring to.
And Philly smart a$$ is strictly JV level smart a$$. I was a four year Varsity Smart A$$.
I don’t mind Franklin making $8mil, more power to him. I don’t mind losing an occasional game, because there’s more to life than PSU football. However, I do mind when any coach has two weeks to prepare and produces yesterday’s results. And what troubles me is that this seems to be a recurring trend with him after a bye week no matter what the level of competition.
I believe that stopped being the case after 1994.
Not as slim as you think. Who would have predicted Chryst would be fired.
I would need a personal assistant to provide a full list of candidates. For starters, I would start with:
1. Rhule
2. Urban
3. A long list of young coaches who have shown a propensity for solid X & Os along with some imagination.
Regression in year 9 means time for a change.
I assume you are ok with the status quo? Perfectly legitimate position to take. Don’t hide behind the “it can’t happen”…it happens all the time…and it is happening
It is time.
He always made a lot excuses when he got his *** kicked , , we are not good and Michigan showed us that .
Over Joe’s last 7 years PSU was 11-1; 9-4; 9-4; 11-2; 11-2; 7-6 and 8-1. Those records include 4 bowl wins. Also multiple wins overOhio State and Michigan. We have regressed.
I am all for a coaching change just like many are on this board. However, I don’t agree with the “holding the program hostage” comment. It was the former AD, former PSU President, and Board of Trustees who approved Franklin’s contract. You can’t blame the coach for accepting the gift of his lifetime. The blame for the contract belongs to others like Barbour and Barron.
Let’s do it!!! We want a natty!!! I’m contributing $3.73! I cleaned out my car. Who else is in?
Oh sure it can happen. But it’s not going to happen at Penn State. Chyrst’s buy out was $11MM (after he negotiated). That is a far cry from $70MM. And the issues with Christ have a lot more to do than with the on the field performance.
I figured you would focus on Rhule - after all he is a ‘State College” kid. But he built two programs in lower level conferences. He won’t be able to do the same in the Big Ten.
Urban? Sweet black Jeebus you are out of your mind. ‘
An up and coming coordinator? You are devaluing the very program you hold so highly and demand more from.
Am I upset with the way the team played? Yes - feel free to check any post I made on it. But once any reasonable person gets done bitching, they would realize they have no power to do anything about it. Unless you are a high level donor and/or influential person - you don’t have much say in it. So, all the bitching about it isn’t going to mean a hill of bean. The coaches that have lost their jobs this year were not dumped because of the general fan base.
Tell you what- put your money where your post is create a fund to cover the cf Franklin’s buy out and get a top name coach. I am sure you have a spare $100 million or so lying around.
edit-you are also making a very big assumption -that a new coach will be a savior. The new coach could be the next coming of Bill Callahan or Mike Riley at Nebraska.
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Tend to agree with you, but is it a "gift" if the recipient asks/angles for it?
There are many dead people whose relevant quotes have lasted well beyond their lifetime...
Weren't commenting on the quote, though I prefer "you are what your record says you are."There are many dead people whose relevant quotes have lasted well beyond their lifetime...
You never know Handlemann.
I figured you were ok with the status quo. Good on you. Losing can be like a disease to those who are resigned to it. Many on this board are both used to and accepting of losing - it is in the water in some parts.
There is plenty that can be done - big and small.
What is wrong with Urban? He has won every where he has been. And he was Joe’s designated choice to replace him.
Baylor has performed pretty well since Rhule rebuilt them and is a major program from a major conference - on par with Franklin’s Penn State.
Great idea to have an individual poster pony up the $ needed. Why didn’t I think of that? And you know what, there are some that can. It happens.
There is more than one why to skin a cat…it just takes some creative thinking.
Or you can just throw up your hands and accept Sandy and Barrens’s incompetence…
I never said I was accepting. I said there isnot much I can do about it.
So what is your action item? What exactly are you going to do to facilitate the change you want
and just due the record -Penn Stare only had a losing record in 2020. Every other year has been a winning record. Oerhais not as much as we all like. It it’s not”losing” At least get some facts straight. PSU has not been Rutgers or Nebraska in the last several years.
No! NO! NOOOO!!! Have we really reached the lowest of lows where we have to root for our head coach to win?!? What have we become?!?! Say a 1,000 Hail JoePas and try to be better in the future ... I mean, the past, where well over half of this board still live.
So that is the standard, avoid a losing season? Wow, my losing comment was more accurate than I could have imagined.
Again, there are multiple approaches - big and small. I am not in charge of any of them. But can start to assemble some ideas from people I know who are closer to the heart of the situation.
And from the other site:
Franklin’s contract with the university is for only $500k, annually. The rest is paid by lord knows who but the university is not on the hook for any buyouts above $500k per year. I’m sure those on the hook can write it off so thinking that replacing Franklion is out of the question right now are foolish. There were many who were seriously discussing after the Illinois embarrassment a year ago. You never do that at homecoming which ironically is this weekend. Krafty is watching.”
So, failed 3rd grade reading comprehension did we, huh? Actually I acknowledged Joe's embarassing losses that you mentioned and factually stated that yesterday's laughable performance composed by maestro Franklin is clearly ranked beneath all of them.
Pony up the $1 for the pay site and you might stop talking out your @SS about contract details and other nonsense. I promise, they're more rabid over there but at least the facts are laid out.
Yes. Those numbers look great. However, dig a little deeper into them. How many of those wins were against ranked teams? How many times did they lose to Michigan or Iowa? What was his record vs Tressel, Carr, and Ferentz? Funny I referenced the last 11 years of Paterno’s tenure. You conveniently left out the other 4. Like I said, selective memory.
What is the recruiting record (star rating) of all the current OL players on the roster? How does that compare to other BIG teams = i.e. avg star rating of the OL players on their roster. I don't know the answer, but it would not be surprising if we actually have decent OL players based on recruiting rankings. Not saying what that the play of the OL is top level, just that it is possible our players were largely 4* players.
This is pretty accurate. By recruiting rankings they have done a pretty good job getting talented OL players. The results however have not followed regardless of OL coach or OC. It’s a big mystery to me. It has to be offensive scheme?
Hint, continually proving you don't understand words put together in sentences makes your stance on the issue untenable.
Would you want Shiano or Narducci to replace Franklin? Serious question. Both are pretty good coaches IMHO but Shiano is in a difficult place to build a program, and Narducci has been doing pretty well at Pitt and is a good game day coach.
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Those numbers are great. Why did you go back 11 years to just ensure you got the bad stretch? Why not go back to 1966? DuringJoes last 7 years they beat Michigan 3 times, beat Iowa 2 times beat Ohio State 2 times, beat MSU 4 times. So way better than Franklin. Now if you compare Joes record to Franklin when Joe was 43 thru 50 years old then you can really see how far we have fallen.
Because someone early in the discussion referenced Joe’s last 10 yrs or so. Therefore, the conversation evolved into Joe’s last 11 years (the 2000’s).
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