A very wise man said on more than one occasion

[psuro]

So that is the standard, avoid a losing season? Wow, my losing comment was more accurate than I could have imagined.

Again, there are multiple approaches - big and small. I am not in charge of any of them. But can start to assemble some ideas from people I know who are closer to the heart of the situation.

And from the other site:

Franklin’s contract with the university is for only $500k, annually. The rest is paid by lord knows who but the university is not on the hook for any buyouts above $500k per year. I’m sure those on the hook can write it off so thinking that replacing Franklion is out of the question right now are foolish. There were many who were seriously discussing after the Illinois embarrassment a year ago. You never do that at homecoming which ironically is this weekend. Krafty is watching.”

No, I never said that was the standard. I simply responded to your comment about the "losing". The records are what the records are, and with the exception of 2020, there were no losing seasons. It's not great but it's not Nebraska or Rutgers level.

Franklin is only paid $500K by the University because that is where he is capped. Joe was paid roughly that much also and for the same reasons. As employees of a state associated University, their salaries are capped. If they fire him now, which is what you want, then they to pay him out the rest of the contract.

So, let's back to your action items. Let's assume you don't have the resources to buy out CJF. How else are you going to deal with this situation? Perhaps the easiest action to take is to simply not watch PSU football, until such time that your standard is met. And again, you don't know what you will get with the new guy - it could very well be the next Bill Callahan, Scott Frost, Tom Herman, Charlie Strong, or a host of others.

Making a change does not guarantee the success I think you think it does.

If you want to keep arguing this - go ahead. I am done with it. There is nothing I can do that will change the outcome of the game Saturday, and there is nothing I can do that will affect Penn State's decision on keeping the current coach or not. I can only give them my support and hope that there are better games ahead.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

So that is the standard, avoid a losing season? Wow, my losing comment was more accurate than I could have imagined.

Again, there are multiple approaches - big and small. I am not in charge of any of them. But can start to assemble some ideas from people I know who are closer to the heart of the situation.

And from the other site:

Franklin’s contract with the university is for only $500k, annually. The rest is paid by lord knows who but the university is not on the hook for any buyouts above $500k per year. I’m sure those on the hook can write it off so thinking that replacing Franklion is out of the question right now are foolish. There were many who were seriously discussing after the Illinois embarrassment a year ago. You never do that at homecoming which ironically is this weekend. Krafty is watching.”

Speculation is always intriguing, but I’m curious as to what the actual buyout number is, and who is responsible for picking up what the university doesn’t pay?

 

[GrimReaper]

Speculation is always intriguing, but I’m curious as to what the actual buyout number is, and who is responsible for picking up what the university doesn’t pay?

The "actual buyout number" after 12/31/2022 is $72mm and PSU is on the hook for all of it.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

The "actual buyout number" after 12/31/2022 is $72mm and PSU is on the hook for all of it.

Very well, we should know by the end of the season that it’s time to let him go.

 

[BobPSU92]

The "actual buyout number" after 12/31/2022 is $72mm and PSU is on the hook for all of it.

Can the buyout be negotiated to a lower amount, a la wisconsin and chryst?

(Like it matters when you are starting at a museum-esque $72 MM.)

 

[MacNit]

Pony up the $1 for the pay site and you might stop talking out your @SS about contract details and other nonsense. I promise, they're more rabid over there but at least the facts are laid out.

Not my words. Learn to read Skippy. And is the pay site Kraft? If not, take it with a grain of salt.

We are in such a bad spot thanks to Sandy. But we will be in a much worse one to be subjected to 9 more years of what we are seeing now.

It’s a huge hurdle but one that must be cleared.

 

[MacNit]

No, I never said that was the standard. I simply responded to your comment about the "losing". The records are what the records are, and with the exception of 2020, there were no losing seasons. It's not great but it's not Nebraska or Rutgers level.

Franklin is only paid $500K by the University because that is where he is capped. Joe was paid roughly that much also and for the same reasons. As employees of a state associated University, their salaries are capped. If they fire him now, which is what you want, then they to pay him out the rest of the contract.

So, let's back to your action items. Let's assume you don't have the resources to buy out CJF. How else are you going to deal with this situation? Perhaps the easiest action to take is to simply not watch PSU football, until such time that your standard is met. And again, you don't know what you will get with the new guy - it could very well be the next Bill Callahan, Scott Frost, Tom Herman, Charlie Strong, or a host of others.

Making a change does not guarantee the success I think you think it does.

If you want to keep arguing this - go ahead. I am done with it. There is nothing I can do that will change the outcome of the game Saturday, and there is nothing I can do that will affect Penn State's decision on keeping the current coach or not. I can only give them my support and hope that there are better games ahead.

You are entitled to your opinion and is certainly well-thought out.



I just disagree that we are resigned to the status quo. Things can be done (and are being examined) by people much closer to the situation and able to make an impact.

And, of course, things could get worse - risk/reward. But not sure how much embarrassing and non-competitive things could get than considering the level of resources and talent Penn State has relative to our competition.

I will continue to support the program but question the competency who leads it.

And look for ways to make it better- taking action where possible and appropriate .

 

[PSUJam]

Not my words. Learn to read Skippy. And is the pay site Kraft? If not, take it with a grain of salt.

We are in such a bad spot thanks to Sandy. But we will be in a much worse one to be subjected to 9 more years of what we are seeing now.

It’s a huge hurdle but one that must be cleared.

I'm not going to defend Sandy at any point and the fact is when the contract was signed she was knowingly on the way out the door. So the big question is why would the BOT sign off on this contract and why are you still using her as the fall person? Blame them. They're still around and she's gone. It's $72 million total not $500,000 a year.

 

[MacNit]

I'm not going to defend Sandy at any point and the fact is when the contract was signed she was knowingly on the way out the door. So the big question is why would the BOT sign off on this contract and why are you still using her as the fall person? Blame them. They're still around and she's gone. It's $72 million total not $500,000 a year.

They do deserve blame.

And everyone is aware that the buy-out is $72 million. Does not mean PSU actually has to pay it all (see Chryst, Wisconsin).

These clowns need to do their job - they are failing worse than Franklin.

 

[PSUJam]

They do deserve blame.

And everyone is aware that the buy-out is $72 million. Does not mean PSU actually has to pay it all (see Chryst, Wisconsin).

These clowns need to do their job - they are failing worse than Franklin.

Where you at if he plays Allar and wins out?

 

[Midnighter]

Where you at if he plays Allar and wins out?

I wouldn't get close to a buyout until it's under $10mm. Just no point. Like you said, things could be worse but I think Penn State has been pretty smart about it's hires post Paterno. I think Franklin was an A+ hire at the time and he's mostly delivered with solid recruiting classes, putting players in the NFL, and generally being a good representative for the school and program. But, we've seen he can't close the gap (on the field) with Michigan and OSU and has sunk into a pattern of hot starts before real competition exposes team weaknesses. There is also a typical loss against a truly inferior team and the squandering of talent only matched by OSU and Michigan. There is just no way I pay the buyout. It wouldn't shock me if we finish 10-2 this year and go to a great bowl; by the same token, 7-5 would also not shock me. But, mostly just going to settle in for 7-8 years - until some SEC school gets desperate enough to hire him, we're stuck.

 

[WSTLion87]

Is there any chance that if the losses to tO$U and Michigan keep building up that in two or three years he says... The heck with this... My daughters are growing up so fast and I want to spend time with them? Yes I am aware that buyout is enormous but IMHO there is absolutely no way he survives say three more consecutive losses to tO$U and/or UM... Thoughts?

 

[BobPSU92]

We’ve reached the point where we now have to ask, ”If you FIRE. FRANKLIN. , who are you going to hire? Who are we going to get who’s better? It’s easy to FIRE. FRANKLIN. , but you then have to find someone better. Penn State will never spend big money on football to get a big name.” That worked with men‘s basketball when people were tired of Chambers.

I still say replace Franklin with Jay. No relo cost with Jay, and we know that Jay can afford a house in State College.

 

[GrimReaper]

They do deserve blame.

And everyone is aware that the buy-out is $72 million. Does not mean PSU actually has to pay it all (see Chryst, Wisconsin).

These clowns need to do their job - they are failing worse than Franklin.

PSU is legally obligated to pay the buyout amount Franklin's contract calls for and I would not want to be on the other end trying to reduce it. There were economic incentives for Chryst to accept a lesser amount, though it's difficult to see how they equate.

 

[PSUJam]

I wouldn't get close to a buyout until it's under $10mm. Just no point. Like you said, things could be worse but I think Penn State has been pretty smart about it's hires post Paterno. I think Franklin was an A+ hire at the time and he's mostly delivered with solid recruiting classes, putting players in the NFL, and generally being a good representative for the school and program. But, we've seen he can't close the gap (on the field) with Michigan and OSU and has sunk into a pattern of hot starts before real competition exposes team weaknesses. There is also a typical loss against a truly inferior team and the squandering of talent only matched by OSU and Michigan. There is just no way I pay the buyout. It wouldn't shock me if we finish 10-2 this year and go to a great bowl; by the same token, 7-5 would also not shock me. But, mostly just going to settle in for 7-8 years - until some SEC school gets desperate enough to hire him, we're stuck.

Press conference at 12:30 unless he's late because of other people not getting him what he needs for it.

 

[PSUFTG]

"You're never as good as you think you are when you win and you're never as bad as you think you are when you lose."

Joe Paterno

That same guy also said things like:

"Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves"
and
"Don't forget to focus on coaching the players you have."
and a whole lot of other nuggets.

 

[PSUFTG]

So that is the standard, avoid a losing season? Wow, my losing comment was more accurate than I could have imagined.

Again, there are multiple approaches - big and small. I am not in charge of any of them. But can start to assemble some ideas from people I know who are closer to the heart of the situation.

And from the other site:

Franklin’s contract with the university is for only $500k, annually. The rest is paid by lord knows who but the university is not on the hook for any buyouts above $500k per year. I’m sure those on the hook can write it off so thinking that replacing Franklion is out of the question right now are foolish. There were many who were seriously discussing after the Illinois embarrassment a year ago. You never do that at homecoming which ironically is this weekend. Krafty is watching.”

Just to be clear:
The University is - most certainly and without qualification - on the hook for it... all of it. Period.

 

[dcf4psu]

Just to be clear:
The University is - most certainly and without qualification - on the hook for it... all of it. Period.

Thank you Sandy and Barron!

 

[GrimReaper]

Thank you Sandy and Barron!

 

[DonP74]

The "actual buyout number" after 12/31/2022 is $72mm and PSU is on the hook for all of it.

Thank you. We need 72 different millionaires to help us out.

 

[Paruffus]

Did he after the 34-8 drubbing AT HOME in ‘97? How about the Michigan State game where they gave up 200 yards rushing to two different Spartan RBs in the same game? How about after the Toledo fiasco? Or the 6-4 barnburner loss to Iowa? Some people really do have selective memories.

...many of whom choose to say nothing about the 408 wins.

 

[Paruffus]

We’re worse than we think we are.

Disagree. We're rebuilding from a couple of bad years. Recall: a compilation of pre-season pundit predictions had us with 8.5 wins. Our (fans) problem is one of 'unreal expectations' brought on early season success, ergo, if we win nine we've had a successful rebuilding season.

 

[PSUFTG]

I'm not going to defend Sandy at any point and the fact is when the contract was signed she was knowingly on the way out the door. So the big question is why would the BOT sign off on this contract and why are you still using her as the fall person? Blame them. They're still around and she's gone. It's $72 million total not $500,000 a year.

Just a point of clarification:

The BOT did NOT sign off on the contract. A few members (a very small minority) of the BOT signed off on it.

 

[PSUJam]

Just a point of clarification:

The BOT did NOT sign off on the contract. A few members (a very small minority) of the BOT signed off on it.

Can you disclose who those members were?

 

[PSUFTG]

Can you disclose who those members were?

It was a 5-member committee, so at least 3 would have had to vote to approve. To the best of my knowledge, no record is publicly available of the vote being taken (If anyone can find such a record, I would love to know where it is), though based on past history it is likely that the vote was unanimous.

The five members at that time were:

1) Mathew Schuyler, (Board Chair and At Large Appointee to the Board)
2) Dan Delligatti (Governor Appointee)
3) David Kleppinger (Governor Appointee)
4) Mary Lee Schneider (Business and Industry Appointee)
All of those four remain as current members of the Committee
and
5) Kathleen Casey (Committee Chair at the time. Casey is no longer on the Board, but had previously been a Governor Appointee, and later an At Large Appointee. Her seat on that Committee has since been taken by Mark Dambly - who is also now the Chair of the Committee)

 

[pap]

It was a 5-member committee, so at least 3 would have had to vote to approve. To the best of my knowledge, no record is publicly available of the vote being taken (If anyone can find such a record, I would love to know where it is), though based on past history it is likely that the vote was unanimous.

The five members at that time were:

1) Mathew Schuyler, (Board Chair and At Large Appointee to the Board)
2) Dan Delligatti (Governor Appointee)
3) David Kleppinger (Governor Appointee)
4) Mary Lee Schneider (Business and Industry Appointee)
All of those four remain as current members of the Committee
and
5) Kathleen Casey (Committee Chair at the time. Casey is no longer on the Board, but had previously been a Governor Appointee, and later an At Large Appointee. Her seat on that Committee has since been taken by Mark Dambly - who is also now the Chair of the Committee)

Sounds more like it was an athletic type council set up , from the main body of the board itself .

 

[pap]

"You're never as good as you think you are when you win and you're never as bad as you think you are when you lose."

Joe Paterno

He came up with a lot of quotes like that to try and explain , losses . In fact you are as bad as you are when you get your butts kicked like that . We did to Auburn what Michigan did to us .

 

[PSUFTG]

Sounds more like it was an athletic type council set up , from the main body of the board itself .

No. It is the Compensation Subcommittee of the Equity Committee of the BOT.

Yeah, it's a long story.

 

[LionJim]

He came up with a lot of quotes like that to try and explain , losses .

I could be wrong but it’s my recollection that the first time he said this was after 48-14. At any rate, he would use this line when Penn State was the team delivering the butt-kicking.

 

[PSUFTG]

I could be wrong but it’s my recollection that the first time he said this was after 48-14. At any rate, he would use this line when Penn State was the team delivering the butt-kicking.

That "quote" - with slight variations - has been used by God knows how many coaches for many, many decades - at least.
Paterno and Lou Holtz probably used that quote more than any other coaches I can recall in my lifetime (of course, those two were also a couple who always seemed to have media mobs writing down all their statements),

But, yeah, for sure, it always rolls a bit smoother when the "quotee" is making that statement after a big win.

 

[BobPSU92]

Just a point of clarification:

The BOT did NOT sign off on the contract. A few members (a very small minority) of the BOT signed off on it.

Ah, transparency.

 

[Tom_PSU]

That "quote" - with slight variations - has been used by God knows how many coaches for many, many decades - at least.
Paterno and Lou Holtz probably used that quote more than any other coaches I can recall in my lifetime (of course, those two were also a couple who always seemed to have media mobs writing down all their statements),

But, yeah, for sure, it always rolls a bit smoother when the "quotee" is making that statement after a big win.

It would be really stupid to say it after you just had your butt kicked. What a whiny cop out that would be.

 

[pap]

I could be wrong but it’s my recollection that the first time he said this was after 48-14. At any rate, he would use this line when Penn State was the team delivering the butt-kicking.

Well he basically used it his entire career believe it or not . But that was him , he was always full of quips .

 

[pap]

No. It is the Compensation Subcommittee of the Equity Committee of the BOT.

Yeah, it's a long story.

LOL I will bet it is . Oh that is good .

 

[GrimReaper]

That "quote" - with slight variations - has been used by God knows how many coaches for many, many decades - at least.
Paterno and Lou Holtz probably used that quote more than any other coaches I can recall in my lifetime (of course, those two were also a couple who always seemed to have media mobs writing down all their statements),

But, yeah, for sure, it always rolls a bit smoother when the "quotee" is making that statement after a big win.

Except when Lou Holtz used it you had to break out the umbrellas.

 

[psu7113]

It's rhetorical, scout. And Joe this, and Joe that is irrelevant to a discussion of the present day. He's dead and gone and not making $8mil.

Quoting Joe to lend some perspective to the current situation is not in any way inappropriate. He was absolutely right, and his quote is as relevant now as it was then (and will be in the future). By your logic, anything that any now deceased person said is irrelevant and of no use. I guess that means history, philosophy, religion, etc. are all “irrelevant.” Who knew?

 

[GrimReaper]

Quoting Joe to lend some perspective to the current situation is not in any way inappropriate. He was absolutely right, and his quote is as relevant now as it was then (and will be in the future). By your logic, anything that any now deceased person said is irrelevant and of no use. I guess that means history, philosophy, religion, etc. are all “irrelevant.” Who knew?

I'm going to try this again and maybe you'll comprehend, scholar. My comment was not made aboue the quote.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

It does not surprise me that some do not comprehend the meaning of the quote nor the timing of my use of it.