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Some bigger city school districts didn’t return to in person schooling until 2021-22 school year.
Also, a lot of learning takes place between the ages of 3-7.
It's almost as if the adoption of the Common Core Standards, focusing on teaching those standards, and accountability through testing those standards may have been a good idea. . . almost.*
I honestly don’t think that’s anywhere near the root cause of the problems with our education system.
why is the money better spent? Everyone has a choice of what school they would like to go to. If you choose public school, districts have parameters although this seems to be changing as well.
The local academy which I toured when deciding where my son would go, had 4 kids in his class and when I went into the classroom, all 4 were on their computers being taught by Abeka.. Why should tax dollars go to a place where the "teacher" aren't teaching, homeschool would seem like a better option. Would save alot of "wasted" money.
Yep. Common Core wasn't as bad as conservatives made it out to be. There was some good in it. No Child Left Behind (Laura Bush's brainchild) was the single worst piece of education legislation in history.
My wife is a K-E teacher. I can tell you with certainty that when a kid doesn't perform in K-1 they are going to struggle to learn the rest of the way. As someone mentioned above, they have them reading earlier than I remember doing it 50 years ago. If they don't get that base in early, it's going to be hard on that kid. Now some will regain that ground better than others, but most won't.
Her's is early E and I can tell you she had a really hard time those first couple of years back because the basis below her was not laid. It was really easy to tell which kids had help at home and which didn't. Those that didn't also didn't get anything institutional with little to no school and they struggled.
I used to agree. Especially when it first came out in Texas then went national in the Bush administration. However, my opinion changed over the years. For all its flaws it forced focus on results, to take an intentional approach to student achievement, and that was the beginning of what has led us here.
Edit: We are still essentially operating under NCLB. Same stuff different name: Every Student Succeeds Act which was the Obama era replacement when NCLB expired. Not so much raging against it anymore. It's now just how things are done.
I have family members who are teachers also. They've been saying this same thing about tests for decades now. My observation is they don't like accountability in their workplace. Almost every other professional job has reviews and accountability regarding their performance. I don't think teachers have much of this, but at the same time it's really difficult to implement some method to discern a good teacher from a bad one. However, test scores over several years do point to a trend of good teacher vs bad one.
The problem is NCLB caused schools to teach to the bottom instead of teaching to the middle. Teaching to the middle would allow top kids to still flourish. Teaching to the bottom brings everyone down.
I agree that a lot of learning takes place in that age range. That is why I have mentioned universal preschool a couple times now...that would allow for more schooling in the age range where you say a lot of learning takes place.
And yes I agree that some bigger city school districts returned fall '21. As I posted in another response, to claim the MS reading improvement is based on returning to in-person teaching earlier than others 5 years ago, you would need to know how other states that returned earlier are doing on 4th grade reading and also know how other states that returned a few months or more later are doing on 4th grade reading.
None of that important info is presented.
I dont know what 'E' means in 'K-E'. I guessed 'elementary' but that doesnt fit in your post's context.
I fully agree that getting an early base for reading is important and that many who dont have an early base will struggle to catch up.
Hopefully, a better educated populace/workforce will equate in new opportunities in that timeline. That's the hope at least.
E is elementary. I think they actually use K-4, Kindergarten thru 4th grade but she has always been teaching the K-2 range.
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.
It's called K5 here, kindergarten thru 5th grade. Or K6 for some schools and districts.
Anyways, yeah I agree with your post- a lot of kids who don't learn to read warmly in then struggle to ever catch up.
Common core’s biggest problem with adoption in these parts is that it came out under Obama.
Coming from a family of teachers, it is amazing to me that the first reactions to this are not more exciting. When you see how hard teachers and other school staff actually do have to work in underfunded conditions, it can really make you think. This is a win, and we should be proud of it. Especially given our black community schools are some of the most underfunded and understaffed in the entire country. Now I can hear the naysayers ready to rip my positivity apart. I am not saying there is no teaching to the test going on because it is very prevalent at the high school level. I have always thought you can not get mad at schools that play that game. If you are going to have a point system, then people are going to teach to the test, trying to maximize points in any way that they can.
Another thing Mississippi is terrible about is overpaying administrators and moron positions like athletic directors. You have a state with some of the highest paid administrators in the nation, but some of the lowest paid teachers. Make that make sense. And bloating at the top is something impacting education nationwide. Someone said this one time, and it really stuck with me. An administrator is usually someone that was a bad teacher, and was looking for a way out of the classroom. In the same way, a coach takes a PE class to avoid any actual teaching. I am not saying that is true in all cases, but in my experience it tends to ring true more times than not.
One thing poor little Mississippi did is realize that when you teach kids to read, and you teach them to read early, then they tend to have better academic outcomes all the way up the line.
Another thing Mississippi is terrible about is overpaying administrators and moron positions like athletic directors. You have a state with some of the highest paid administrators in the nation, but some of the lowest paid teachers. Make that make sense. And bloating at the top is something impacting education nationwide. Someone said this one time, and it really stuck with me. An administrator is usually someone that was a bad teacher, and was looking for a way out of the classroom. In the same way, a coach takes a PE class to avoid any actual teaching. I am not saying that is true in all cases, but in my experience it tends to ring true more times than not.
One thing poor little Mississippi did is realize that when you teach kids to read, and you teach them to read early, then they tend to have better academic outcomes all the way up the line.
I understand what you are saying, but I just haven't found that to be the case. Especially since accountability models give credit for exceeding the standard.
My wife is a high school teacher. This is true. It's all a farce.
It’s the reading program that has been implemented in Mississippi schools. It works.
This place exists to be negative bout everything MSU and Mississippi. This is unquestionably VERY good news and look at this thread.
Yes common core math was as bad as it was made out to be. It destroyed math learning for a lot of kids. It was designed to do that
Do say more about how a national movement which involved states and multiple national agencies/programs implemented something that was designed to destroy math learning for a lot of kids.
Details please.
People get up in arms over “common core” math. I honestly didn’t really see the big deal. A lot of the things they’re taught are designed to help get the answer quickly in their head or on paper. Many of the methods they use are the way I do math in my head.
One of the best math heads I was ever around used those methods…… 45 years ago. It makes no sense to those of us brought up with conventional math, but it does work…well.
It did no such thing. It taught base 10 math. It may have been different than how you learned but it's not wrong.
I leaned both ways coming up in the 80s and 90s and prefer the common core method.
Study authors Ted Rebarber of AccountabilityWorks and Neal McCluskey of the Cato Institute advocate restoring genuine diversity in education models by removing centralized government control over K-12 school standards. But the prelude to that argument came from Rebarber, who minced no words in describing the doleful effect of Common Core on education.
“In my view,” Rebarber observed, “[Common Core] is really the worst large-scale educational failure in 40 years.”
Unlike Fordham and its allies, Rebarber offered actual evidence to support his thesis. He demonstrated that U.S. students’ math scores on the National Association of Educational Progress (NAEP) had long been creeping up ever since reliable test results became available in the 1970s. But after release of Common Core in 2010 and full implementation in the fall of 2014, NAEP scores plateaued and then began to decline.
Rebarber focused on scores of the bottom quartile of students, those who were already behind – “the students that were touted as the target for improvement.” Under Common Core, these students’ performance has fallen.
According to Rebarber, “That’s never happened at a consistent multi-year scale [on] the best test instruments we’ve had since we’ve been able to measure in the 1970s. And so that is historic.”
Excellent input L4Dawg. Thanks for adding to the convo!!
I’ve got no problem with coming up with alternative ways to teach students, but there was a lot of info spread that you had to get the answer the “common core” way.
Working a math problem out step by step the original way is a very good practice for scientists, engineers, etc.
You should never be penalized for doing that. Maybe those were just rumors but seems like there were a lot of them.
No one should argue with this main thesis. The federal government shouldn’t be dictating how local districts teach kids.
Setting a standard on where each kid should be at a certain age? Perfectly fine.
State level getting involved if you don’t meet those standards consistently? I’d be ok with that too.
How many more articles you want?
New Study: Holding Kids Back One Key Factor in Mississippi’s Reading Revolution
Burk & Wright: While there should be exemptions, retention in 3rd grade has a far greater positive impact than moving along a student who isn’t ready
www.the74million.org
We were both fortunate to be part of a reading revolution in Mississippi. After decades of ranking near the bottom nationally in reading scores, Mississippi passed the Literacy-Based Promotion Act
In 2018–19, according to state department of education reports, 8 percent of all Mississippi K–3 students were held back (up from 6.6 percent the prior year). This implies that over the four grades, as many as 32 percent of all Mississippi students are held back; a more reasonable estimate is closer to 20 to 25 percent, allowing for some to be held back twice. (Mississippi's Department of Education does not report how many students are retained more than once.)
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