AP College Football Poll, Rankings: Greatest Programs Of All-Time
- Thread starter Nitt1300
- Start date
So what is a reasonable salary for someone who has won 11 games four of the past seven years?
Can you imagine what our ranking would be without Joe Paterno. Nowhere near the top 25.CollegeFootballNews.com
Sat, January 14, 2023 at 1:37 PM EST
According to the AP college football polls, where do all of the teams rank? Here are the top programs of all-time utilizing the AP’s final rankings.
The AP college football rankings have been the most consistent and reliable since 1936. No other ranking system provides a better historical snapshot of the last 90+ seasons. They just keep on marching along.According to the AP final rankings for each season, how do all the college football teams rank since the start of the poll? According to the AP voters, what are the greatest programs of all-time?
Take all the AP final rankings and use our simple scoring system – the AP national champion in each season gets 25 points, the No. 2 team 24, No. 3 23, and so on down to the bottom.
AP College Football Poll: 1936 to 2022 Final All-Time Rankings
1 Alabama 1150 (2)
2 Ohio State 1141 (3)
3 Oklahoma 1136 (1)
4 Michigan 1039 (5)
5 Notre Dame 1036 (4)
6 USC 851 (6)
T7 Nebraska 798 (7)
T7 Texas 798 (8)
9 Penn State 721 (9)
10 Tennessee 706 (10)
11 LSU 688 (11)
12 Georgia 682 (12)
13 Florida State 585 (14)
14 Auburn 584 (13)
15 Florida 551 (15)
16 Miami 534 (16)
17 UCLA 498 (17)
18 Clemson 497 (18)
19 Michigan State 472 (19)
20 Arkansas 444 (20)
21 Texas A&M 397 (21)
22 Washington 394 (23)
23 Wisconsin 378 (22)
24 Ole Miss 362 (24)
25 Iowa 344 (25)
AP College Football Poll, Rankings: Greatest Programs Of All-Time (yahoo.com)
Same for Bama without the Bear, tOSU without Woody, OU without Wilkenson -etc, etc what's your point?
Hard to say…I mean since the answer on this board seems to be a new coach every five or six years, I guess we can’t know for sure.
No object to me. I have never received an invoice for a PSU Coaches salary.
Considering Tucker, Fisher, Kiffin and Cristobal are paid more than Franklin....its a pretty lame *** complaint.
Yeah I gotta admit I don’t understand fan’s obsession with the coach’s salary. He gets paid that much because someone is willing to pay him that much.
if he got paid half as much would he get half the grief?
As far as the NC there is a hell of a lot more that goes into it than just the amount of time the HC has been at an institution.
But y’all have at it. It seems to keep you enraged.
if he got paid half as much would he get half the grief?
As far as the NC there is a hell of a lot more that goes into it than just the amount of time the HC has been at an institution.
But y’all have at it. It seems to keep you enraged.
Baby steps for you ... so you admitted you were unnecessarily pessimistic and factually incorrect about the program's ceiling under Franklin, even if you only used past performance as the ceiling. Now you need to figure out that that past performance isn't the ceiling. That's just what he's done, so far, in helping to resuscitate the program from near death. And then you have to realize that, going forward, a CFP appearance will be much easier to obtain ... so even your pouty attempt to poop on Franklin's best season obviously won't be the ceiling.
Tioga's post was poo. There's no evidence to support his contentions. And why are you crying about cost again? You whined about the money at one point ... then admitted that your whining was baseless, because his contract isn't even that much, given how the market has developed ... and now you're back here putting all your whining eggs back into the "wah! but he costs too much!" basket. You guys are the ones creating all this contract drama in your noggins.
Dude's having to completely adjust the recruiting for this program because the regional well has dried up and he needs to go national and compete against programs in their own backyards, and he's done a good enough job that we're back to the level that we were actually at during the imaginary xanadu that fake-existed in your noggin from the mid-1980s up through JoePa's demise. Stop worshipping the guy who oversaw the rise and fall of the program (and making up fake nonsense about how many championships he *should* have), and stop trying to crap all over those who are trying to bring it back to a semblance of what it once was (minus all the child molestation).
So the question I have -what action items are on the table for those who are unhappy about it?
Right - the longer someone is at one place, the less likely he is to win a NC. Tom Osborne is maybe the last guy to be at a place longer than ten years to win a NC. That was what - 1994?
Did anyone think Nick Saban - Michigan State coach - would go on to be the best ever? Yes - it’s more than amount of time, but that is a major factor.
No, he's not okay. You'll be better off with him on ignore.
Osborne was GIFTED a NC in 1994 by the opinion / popularity poll under discussion, despite the fact that he clearly had the SECOND best team that year. His longevity at a single institution without a title ironically factored into said sympathy vote.
On a completely separate topic, if things go well in the near future, both Texas and Nebraska look vulnerable to be passed on this list in the not-too-distant future (albeit several years from now).
My veiled point is that Penn State would likely be Maryland, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, etc. without Joe. Bama, tOSU, and OU were established programs before Bear, Woody, and Wilkenson. We were a nonentitiy pedestrian program before Joe. Joe took the Penn State program from nothing to greatness in only about 4 years and then maintained the greatness for decades. Without Joe we would likely be still playing in a 40K seat stadium. We probably would not be in the Big 10. We would be lucky to be in a doormat league like the ACC Coastal.
Last edited:
Without Joe, Eastern Football would have died out in the 1970s. Syracuse had some good years, but beyond that....not really much.
Historical AP polls before 1982 slighted PSU as inferior as an Eastern school...especially from 67-76. The best example was '72 Cotton Bowl when everyone felt Texas would obliterate Penn State....final score PSU 30 Texas 6 !!
These rankings are somewhat skewed because the AP didn't do their first post bowl poll until 1965. From Wikiperdia:
"At the end of the 1947 season, the AP released an unofficial post-bowl poll which differed from the regular season final poll.[9] Until the 1968 college football season, the final AP poll of the season was released following the end of the regular season, with the lone exception of the 1965 season. In 1964, Alabama was named the national champion in the final AP Poll following the completion of the regular season, but lost in the Orange Bowl to Texas, leaving Arkansas as the only undefeated, untied team after the Razorbacks defeated Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl. In 1965, the AP's decision to wait to crown its champion paid handsomely, as top-ranked Michigan State lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl, number two Arkansas lost to LSU in the Cotton Bowl, and fourth-ranked Alabama defeated third-ranked Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, vaulting the Crimson Tide to the top of the AP's final poll (Michigan State was named national champion in the final UPI Coaches Poll, which did not conduct a post-bowl poll).
Beginning in 1968, the post bowl game poll became permanent and the AP championship reflected the bowl game results. The UPI did not follow suit with the coaches' poll until the 1974 season."
"At the end of the 1947 season, the AP released an unofficial post-bowl poll which differed from the regular season final poll.[9] Until the 1968 college football season, the final AP poll of the season was released following the end of the regular season, with the lone exception of the 1965 season. In 1964, Alabama was named the national champion in the final AP Poll following the completion of the regular season, but lost in the Orange Bowl to Texas, leaving Arkansas as the only undefeated, untied team after the Razorbacks defeated Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl. In 1965, the AP's decision to wait to crown its champion paid handsomely, as top-ranked Michigan State lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl, number two Arkansas lost to LSU in the Cotton Bowl, and fourth-ranked Alabama defeated third-ranked Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, vaulting the Crimson Tide to the top of the AP's final poll (Michigan State was named national champion in the final UPI Coaches Poll, which did not conduct a post-bowl poll).
Beginning in 1968, the post bowl game poll became permanent and the AP championship reflected the bowl game results. The UPI did not follow suit with the coaches' poll until the 1974 season."
Joe had back to back undefeated seasons in ‘68 and ‘69 - two years after he was hired - and won major bowl games those years without being named National Champions. Again, you have to go back to Osborne and maybe Bowden to find a coach who took longer than 10 years to win a NC at one school. And those are the outliers.
He probably wins one in ‘68 or ‘69 if allowed to play for one (or if Nixon says differently). Can’t win one if you can’t play for one. The last coach to take 18 years to win a NC is probably Osborne in ‘94. CJF probably has a better chance of winning one at a new program given the landscape of college football since 2000.
Give it up. PSU didn't play a team worth a darn (no ranked regular season opponents and SOS of 55 out of 118) in 1968 until their bowl game beating the 6th ranked squad, winning in a squeaker. It wasn't much better in 1969, when their SOS was 54th out of 122, they only beat #17 WVU in the regular season before their bowl game and they beat the 6th ranked squad again in their bowl game in another barnburner.
There's no reason to assume they would have won the NC either year. The fact is, they didn't.
I didn’t bring Joe up - just saying is extremely rare to win a NC at a place after more than 5 years there. Joe, Bowden, Osborne - they took a while but had shown promise early on. CJF too but he has one B1G championship in 9 years.
In response to the guy who brought him up first.
Post in thread 'AP College Football Poll, Rankings: Greatest Programs Of All-Time'
https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/...est-programs-of-all-time.856692/post-14433042
not total trash, but trash none the lessCollegeFootballNews.com
Sat, January 14, 2023 at 1:37 PM EST
According to the AP college football polls, where do all of the teams rank? Here are the top programs of all-time utilizing the AP’s final rankings.
The AP college football rankings have been the most consistent and reliable since 1936. No other ranking system provides a better historical snapshot of the last 90+ seasons. They just keep on marching along.According to the AP final rankings for each season, how do all the college football teams rank since the start of the poll? According to the AP voters, what are the greatest programs of all-time?
Take all the AP final rankings and use our simple scoring system – the AP national champion in each season gets 25 points, the No. 2 team 24, No. 3 23, and so on down to the bottom.
AP College Football Poll: 1936 to 2022 Final All-Time Rankings
1 Alabama 1150 (2)
2 Ohio State 1141 (3)
3 Oklahoma 1136 (1)
4 Michigan 1039 (5)
5 Notre Dame 1036 (4)
6 USC 851 (6)
T7 Nebraska 798 (7)
T7 Texas 798 (8)
9 Penn State 721 (9)
10 Tennessee 706 (10)
11 LSU 688 (11)
12 Georgia 682 (12)
13 Florida State 585 (14)
14 Auburn 584 (13)
15 Florida 551 (15)
16 Miami 534 (16)
17 UCLA 498 (17)
18 Clemson 497 (18)
19 Michigan State 472 (19)
20 Arkansas 444 (20)
21 Texas A&M 397 (21)
22 Washington 394 (23)
23 Wisconsin 378 (22)
24 Ole Miss 362 (24)
25 Iowa 344 (25)
AP College Football Poll, Rankings: Greatest Programs Of All-Time (yahoo.com)
Yeah, you just keep on keeping on imagining as real things that affirmatively didn't happen.
You deserve better than reality.
Also from Midnighter, December 9, 2022, after endless Franklin bashing posts ...
What do you get from James Franklin for $7.5 million? - Page 2 - On3
Coach Franklin is one of the highest, if not the highest, paid coaches in the B1G. $7 million guaranteed and $500,000 bonus retention in 2022. So it is fair to ask if Penn State is getting what it is paying for since hiring him in 2014? You be the judge. #1. 10 win season this year. The...
"It’s all funny money anymore. Matt Rhule has done zero at Nebraska and makes more. My biggest issue with Franklin outside of some boneheaded playcalling was his contract, and now guys who’ve done nothing are being paid like money grows on trees. I have zero doubt Franklin will get another raise and extension within two years. Just doesn’t matter anymore."
So, the contract matters, then it doesn't matter, and now, with absolutely no change to the contract and subsequent to a great end to the season, the contract matters again.
And now we're resorting to imagining JoePa would have won Nattys he didn't win.
Stop being irrational.
Get unlimited access today.