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bleedgarnet33 said:
Would you want a guy that turns a blind eye to rape and sexual assault to coach at your daughters school? This is hardly cancel culture.
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It really wouldn't make much difference to me. I would have taught my daughter to go straight to the police in the event anything of that nature ever happened, so the football OC would not even factor into it.
 
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GuitarCock said:
Did you read about what happened at Baylor? Going to the police wasn't good enough
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If the police don't handle the issue appropriately, then what the football coach does/doesn't do is immaterial.

If my daughter were sexually assaulted, the last thing I would care about is whether the guy was allowed to play football.
 
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bleedgarnet33 said:
Would you want a guy that turns a blind eye to rape and sexual assault to coach at your daughters school? This is hardly cancel culture.
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He isn't the police. He isn't the AD, President of School, President of Student Affairs, Captain of the campus security/police, Head of any investigative search committee about these crimes, Condo owner, Bar and Nightclub Owners, (some) medical examiners and doctors .....you now...all those people it was reported to? Most importantly he isn't the worthless POS's who actually DID the crimes. Yes- he had bad apples, and YES they needed to be dealt with but it appeared Baylor was doing just that; letting the courts decide since these were criminal matters. Briles was a fall guy for a community and environment that he had little control over...and his board of Regents/University had to place blame on one person and move away from that uber-negative situation. Absolutely terrible for those girls....but placing blame on one guy for this (a guy who didn't commit the crimes) is preposterous.

To me this is part of the normal third grade IQ level of media-driven smokescreen to divert the proper negative attention toward the accused/guilty (the RAPISTS/sexual assaulters)...and place it on a guy who just coaches football.
...you'd think Art Briles was Kobe Bryant... a professional basketball player accused of rape/sexual assault on a 19 year old....oh wait...somehow that was OK.
 
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DeBoer31 said:
...you'd think Art Briles was Kobe Bryant... a professional basketball player accused of rape/sexual assault on a 19 year old....oh wait...somehow that was OK.
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What Briles did went beyond Kobe Bryant. We are talking about multiple incidents over a period of years. It was a straight up culture. Got run off somewhere else for violent crime/rape? Come on to Baylor, we're fine with it. And if something happens we'll cover for you.

Read up on Shawn Oakman. 6'8 280 lb guy that Briles brought in. See if you want him in your dorm.
 
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DeBoer31 said:
He isn't the police. He isn't the AD, President of School, President of Student Affairs, Captain of the campus security/police, Head of any investigative search committee about these crimes, Condo owner, Bar and Nightclub Owners, (some) medical examiners and doctors .....you now...all those people it was reported to? Most importantly he isn't the worthless POS's who actually DID the crimes. Yes- he had bad apples, and YES they needed to be dealt with but it appeared Baylor was doing just that; letting the courts decide since these were criminal matters. Briles was a fall guy for a community and environment that he had little control over...and his board of Regents/University had to place blame on one person and move away from that uber-negative situation. Absolutely terrible for those girls....but placing blame on one guy for this (a guy who didn't commit the crimes) is preposterous.

To me this is part of the normal third grade IQ level of media-driven smokescreen to divert the proper negative attention toward the accused/guilty (the RAPISTS/sexual assaulters)...and place it on a guy who just coaches football.
...you'd think Art Briles was Kobe Bryant... a professional basketball player accused of rape/sexual assault on a 19 year old....oh wait...somehow that was OK.
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Yes, I looked back through the timeline of events at Baylor. I'm not seeing where Briles was so grossly negligent. As far as I can tell, every case of allege sexual assault was dealt with over his head. I don't see instances of him being involved in a coverup. These instances were reported to police or folks higher up in administration at Baylor. As far as I'm concerned, once it's reported to police, it's up to the justice system to sort it out.

Looking through this timeline, I see nothing to indicate that Briles was really all that involved in anything https://www.espn.com/college-footba...t-briles-downfall-baylor-hire-grambling-state. There's nothing that says he kept any allegations secret. Notably, in at least 4 of the sexual assault allegations, one was found lacking evidence, one was found not guilty and two were dismissed. A few reached financial settlement, so we'll never know about those.

So, yeah, Briles was a fall guy. Baylor had major institutional issues that went way over Briles' head but firing the football coach is flashy. If was anywhere near as bad a character as folks think, Baylor would not have paid him $15 million to leave. None of this is to say Briles is squeaky clean and ran a program without reproach. Did he bring in some bad dudes? Sure. Every program does. I'm just not sure what folks think the football coach should do when alleged crimes are reported to police and higher up administrators. Folks expect football coaches to be private investigators, police, crime scene investigators, lawyers, juries and judges.
 
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GuitarCock said:
What Briles did went beyond Kobe Bryant. We are talking about multiple incidents over a period of years. It was a straight up culture. Got run off somewhere else for violent crime/rape? Come on to Baylor, we're fine with it. And if something happens we'll cover for you.

Read up on Shawn Oakman. 6'8 280 lb guy that Briles brought in. See if you want him in your dorm.
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He was kicked off the PSU team for shoving a cashier.

At Baylor:

April 13, 2016: Baylor defensive end Shawn Oakman, a transfer from Penn State, is arrested on a sexual assault charge. A Baylor grad student alleges Oakman forced her to have sex with him after they met at a Waco nightclub. Oakman told police the sex was consensual. He was later found not guilty of the charges by a jury.

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The timeline of Art Briles' downfall at Baylor before his hire at Grambling State

After being ousted from Baylor in 2016 due to a wave of sexual assault allegations against his players and 'no culture of accountability for misconduct,' Art Briles is back as Grambling State's offensive coordinator.
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In summary: shoved a cashier and falsely accused of sexual assault.
 
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DeBoer31 said:
He isn't the police. He isn't the AD, President of School, President of Student Affairs, Captain of the campus security/police, Head of any investigative search committee about these crimes, Condo owner, Bar and Nightclub Owners, (some) medical examiners and doctors .....you now...all those people it was reported to? Most importantly he isn't the worthless POS's who actually DID the crimes. Yes- he had bad apples, and YES they needed to be dealt with but it appeared Baylor was doing just that; letting the courts decide since these were criminal matters. Briles was a fall guy for a community and environment that he had little control over...and his board of Regents/University had to place blame on one person and move away from that uber-negative situation. Absolutely terrible for those girls....but placing blame on one guy for this (a guy who didn't commit the crimes) is preposterous.

To me this is part of the normal third grade IQ level of media-driven smokescreen to divert the proper negative attention toward the accused/guilty (the RAPISTS/sexual assaulters)...and place it on a guy who just coaches football.
...you'd think Art Briles was Kobe Bryant... a professional basketball player accused of rape/sexual assault on a 19 year old....oh wait...somehow that was OK.
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To great extent you are right, he is none of those things. But you left one important one out.....A DECENT HUMAN BEING WOULD NOT HAVE ACTED LIKE HE DID. HE IS NOT A DECENT HUMAN BEING
 
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I don’t know that Briles would have been a real liability as the OC - in fact he probably would have just kept his head down and stayed out of the spotlight like he has done the last several years.

That said, no school needs the baggage that comes with him. From what I’ve remember, he was not solely at fault for what was going on at Baylor, but he was definitely part of the problem. And he wasn’t about to turn a kid in that was going to help him win.
 
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DeBoer31 said:
He isn't the police. He isn't the AD, President of School, President of Student Affairs, Captain of the campus security/police, Head of any investigative search committee about these crimes, Condo owner, Bar and Nightclub Owners, (some) medical examiners and doctors .....you now...all those people it was reported to? Most importantly he isn't the worthless POS's who actually DID the crimes. Yes- he had bad apples, and YES they needed to be dealt with but it appeared Baylor was doing just that; letting the courts decide since these were criminal matters. Briles was a fall guy for a community and environment that he had little control over...and his board of Regents/University had to place blame on one person and move away from that uber-negative situation. Absolutely terrible for those girls....but placing blame on one guy for this (a guy who didn't commit the crimes) is preposterous.

To me this is part of the normal third grade IQ level of media-driven smokescreen to divert the proper negative attention toward the accused/guilty (the RAPISTS/sexual assaulters)...and place it on a guy who just coaches football.
...you'd think Art Briles was Kobe Bryant... a professional basketball player accused of rape/sexual assault on a 19 year old....oh wait...somehow that was OK.
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Where in my statement did I absolve everyone but Briles, plenty of guilt to go around especially with the actual perpetrators. This is a Joe Paterno situation, turning a blind eye to heinous acts and crimes. You love the guy so much, you give him a job.
 
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Often times when their is pressure humans react outside of their character. Sometimes we get consumed with accomplishments. Maybe that’s what happened. Idk. I do know he can call ball plays.
 
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@USCBatgirl21 Do you know if she has or she could have filed civil suit? We have seen people get off the hook for procedural miscues or illegally obtained evidence in other cases.
 
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Carolina Steve said:
@USCBatgirl21 Do you know if she has or she could have filed civil suit? We have seen people get off the hook for procedural miscues or illegally obtained evidence in other cases.
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I have no clue with regard to this matter. I was simply clarifying that an acquittal does not mean the allegation was false. There are a myriad of factors that can lead to an acquittal that have nothing to do with the allegation being deemed false.
 
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USCBatgirl21 said:
Being found not guilty does not mean it was a false allegation.
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Yes, I know. Just tweaking folks a little with my wording. But, bottom line, one of the main characters people cite in this fiasco was actually found not guilty. But people continue to use him as an example.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Yes, I know. Just tweaking folks a little with my wording. But, bottom line, one of the main characters people cite in this fiasco was actually found not guilty. But people continue to use him as an example.
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Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he may not be a valid example of what may have gone on with the cover-ups BEFORE his case was adjudicated.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
It really wouldn't make much difference to me. I would have taught my daughter to go straight to the police in the event anything of that nature ever happened, so the football OC would not even factor into it.
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No, you would have put on your camo, loaded your AK-47 and found that MF.
 
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So he was fired from Grambling “without cause”?
 
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Harvard Gamecock said:
Well that went well. This was a misguided hire at best, and now Grambling is left with egg on their face.
Embarrassing doesn't even begin to describe this mess.

Art Briles steps down as Grambling’s offensive coordinator days after being hired​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/02/28/art-briles-steps-down-grambling/
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What do you expect from a BLM school. Like it or not this is a fact. My only concern is why it took so long for the female athletes to come forward. I do not support what went on at Baylor and never will. I guess the only thing I can come up with is for retribution from the university.
 
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Harvard Gamecock said:
He was winning games at Baylor (65-37), but as we all witnessed it did make a difference, and examining the fall out, quite a big difference at that.
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I think they're doing remarkably well now considering the dark cloud they have had to come out from under.
 
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winloseortie said:
To great extent you are right, he is none of those things. But you left one important one out.....A DECENT HUMAN BEING WOULD NOT HAVE ACTED LIKE HE DID. HE IS NOT A DECENT HUMAN BEING
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So what about the actual assailants (or at least call them the accused)?
How did Briles act again....waited for the criminal justice system to run it's course? These coaches take fliers on guys all the time...EVERY year...and we do at USC as well. Like most things in life, this situation is not that black and white despite the media trying to fizzle it all down to "there is just this one bad guy....and we got him!" Everything is OK now....he's gone so we're safe. SMH

Blaming Briles for what happened at Baylor is like blaming Bill Cosby's accountant for Cosby's repeated rapes and sexual assaults over 40 years.
 
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bleedgarnet33 said:
Where in my statement did I absolve everyone but Briles, plenty of guilt to go around especially with the actual perpetrators. This is a Joe Paterno situation, turning a blind eye to heinous acts and crimes. You love the guy so much, you give him a job.
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Well that is either an outright lie...or you don't know what happened with these players.
It ISN'T a Paterno situation. Briles never stood in the way, or tried to dissuade someone from investigating....like Paterno did. Briles never did see no, hear no, speak no evil routine. Baylor is a tiny university....the whole scenario is the antithesis of PSU and their approach to football. Them and Wake are the two smallest undergrad numbers for D1 (major) college football I believe. Small community, and big issues stick out quickly there.

I would give him a job....in a heartbeat. Tell him to bring Kendal with him and our program would be a player (for real) for years to come. We've had much worse guys on staff at Carolina.
 
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