There is no conspiracy. The reason data aren't released is that they can be wildly misinterpreted and, by and large, schools have no clue what constitutes success and don't want to be labeled as failures.
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There is no conspiracy. The reason data aren't released is that they can be wildly misinterpreted and, by and large, schools have no clue what constitutes success and don't want to be labeled as failures.
It’s not fair to throw Neeli under the bus. The responsibility for this lies with the BOT chair. If that’s not being done, those are the types of best practices that Barry or other Board candidates should insist on. I would vote for a candidate who would define a due diligence process that way rather than just one who constantly questions or worse yet just criticizes costs.
Give it time. No one will be more pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong.
I'm not sure what sort of due diligence process you want to be defined. Members of the BoT see what's going on at PSU. All they need to do is speak up and direct the President to change course. Or maybe they don't care, or are happy with the situation.
Don’t confuse due diligence with being unhappy. It’s important to follow best practices “happy”or not. Otherwise how would you know? As the 76ers say - trust the process. Be impartial, fair, constructive and analytical. It’s easy to criticize but much harder to improve things. Cheaper is not necessarily better - it’s just cheaper.
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"Best practices" for a Board that is drawn from all walks? What a crock. A "best practice" isn't needed to tell anyone that tuition is too high. A "best practice" isn't needed to tell whether your perception relative to peers is in decline.
A board that meets 8-10 times a year isn't going to mange change or even draw up plans to do so. it will charge the President with that task and monitor action and compliance.
Now, if the Board doesn't really care or has no interest beyond "what's in it for me" that's an entirely different horse.
Barry doesn't just criticize, he actually does an analysis that guides his critique. I think it's what offends some people so much.
Why would anyone be offended that someone does an analysis to guide his strategies? This is a trait anyone would look for in a member of a board of trustees.
Fenchak's biggest problem is his history of over-the-top posting on this board. This was something that prevented me from voting for him in the past. As I indicated, I will overlook this and vote for him this time, but it was an issue and remains a concern. The fact that he has seemingly moderated his tone on this new board likely played a role in my change of heart, but his previous tone was a huge turnoff. From what I'm reading here, for many people it still is.
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Plus, a big issue I have now is that he won't even "own" his past behaviors. When I called him out on it on page 1 of this thread (specifically calling people "cock suckers" and "retards", he replied with
"I am not sure what the ********* was intended to say, so I couldn't comment on it. But what you wrote that is visible is absolutely incorrect. 100% incorrect.
That may not matter to you, you may not care. That's up to you. But people should know that.
I know who was chiefly responsible for propagating that nonsense, but I'll just leave it at that."
I mean, really, he's going to tell me that my post was "100% incorrect"? I mean, he was such a jerk to people on BWI that he was banned from multiple different handles (the bjf handle, StinkStankStunk, Storminnorm, and who knows what else).
Hell, in this thread, one of his supporters tried defending Barry's homophobic posts with "Oh, I've always known its an insult. Whether you think it's homophobic or not was simply new. That said, I just don't care at this point, other things are simply way more important than someone's hurt feelings. If that frightens or dismays you, too bad.", and Barry actually liked the post.
PSU's leadership certainly needs changes, but the risk of Barry making a front page headline embarrassing the University makes the risks outweigh the rewards.
Stop being a jerk. You have done NOTHING to help drive progress at this university and now spend your time tearing down the only candidate we've had in a long time that actually will try to make real change. If you haven't been embarrassed by the current BOT nothing is going to help you understand. So this begs the question; why aren't you embarrassed by the current Board? You think they've done a fine job?
It would be impossible to make me feel more embarrassed about the university than what the current Board has done. Any amount of visible effort would be more than welcome.
As for Barry's comments on the previous board, you've taken virtually every one of them out of context in an effort to embarrass Barry yet, IMO you are the one embarrassing yourself. Now go away troll.
"Barron is a truly worthless cock sucker.
His "performance" on the TODAY show was classic Barron....... pathetic" (note that I had to add a space between "cock" and "sucker", since this board blocks the language that your dream candidate likes to use)
"Just shut up, you circle-jerk retard"
Those are both entire posts from Barry...explain how they were "taken out of context". Thanks.
And I'll decline your offer to go away...I'll continue making sure people are aware of what they're voting for with Barry.
I'm disappointed with the rising cost of tuition and the amount of unwillingness to focus on that instead of continuing forward in the "arms race". No, I don't think they've done a "fine job", however I'm also not embarrassed by anything that they've done. It's more "disappointed". Reading a front page article about a member of the Board of Trustees calling our President/BOT Director a homophobic phrase in a public meeting would make me feel embarrassed, especially when he had a history of it in the past and thus it was entirely preventable.
Yep, taken out of context. The first derogatory term was used in a thread about the Board spending literally hundreds of millions of university dollars without a thread of due diligence. Listed above without the context make you out as a liar.
The second example you gave was directed to a complete jerk, much like yourself, who was repeatedly stating that Paterno knew about Sandusky. You seem to left that part out. Most here would agree with Barry's assessment of that poster. Are you that poster? GTACSA? Again, without the context this makes you yet again a liar.
I'll continue to call you out for what you are; a liar.
You're disappointed with the rising cost of tuition and total lack of focus? Maybe you missed it, but the university has the HIGHEST in-state tuition and costs of any public university in the country. The HIGHEST, yest our BOT does nothing to address this travesty, and approve huge outlays on things like a MUSEUM? A MUSEUM that will eventually cost over $100 million dollars. A MUSEUM???
You however are disappointed? What a clown you are.
LOL...ok, so it's ok to use homophobic words or call people a "retard" if he (or you) thinks they deserve it...I guess the same is true in a board meeting? If Brandon Short said he's in favor of recklessly spending $ for the football program, Barry can call him any name he wants, because he wasn't showing due diligence? It's ok to expect more from someone seeking a position of leadership.
And no, I'm not "GTACSA". I'm not someone that gets banned and needs to come back under new names. All of my posts are under "Erial_Lion".
Here is another one for you, with the "full context"...I'm sure that Barry's language would be entirely appropriate in a board meeting, since he might have been angry that day...
Poster A: Wow that was interesting. They sure went off the rails quickly. It became about 180 degrees different than the vision described in that article. Does anybody have any insight how this fraternity got so out of control so quickly? It does not sound like the hazing and excessive alcohol consumption just started there in the past year or two.
Barry: "Nope, sure doesn't - does it?
The PSU "leadership" jumped into full CYA mode to protect Damon Sims, The Bloviator, and the rest of those cockcsuckers.
This time - the sacrificial lambs offered up by those fat-***, empty-suit, cocksuckers - are the BETA brothers (no matter what one may think of their, the BETAs, culpability ...... that's an entirely different issue)
These PSU "leaders" are truly some of the lowest low-life scumbags imaginable.
It is truly amazing how so many of these worthless f**ks have coalesced around the Teat of Penn State.
I only wish that I had faith that there was an honest-to-God Hell waiting for these vacuous *****."
I don't want someone like that representing my University, but yet I'm the "clown", "coward", "complete jerk" and "troll".
Again, taking things out of context is lying. Stop being a liar.
It is ok to expect more from someone seeking a position of leadership. Yet, it certainly appears that none of our current Board members (all 38 of them) are doing more. In fact they are doing less than virtually EVERY BOARD of a PUBLIC UNIVERSITY in the COUNTRY. Every Board!
We have exactly one person seeking election that we all can be sure will attempt to be fiscally responsible.
I realize you aren't interested in the board being fiscally responsible but I don't understand why you aren't.
TiogaLion: You said this above: You have done NOTHING to help drive progress at this university.
Ok, what exactly have YOU done, other than tooted the horn for your foul-mouthed and ill-mannered buddy. Ten years ago I organized two Rallies for Resignations, with help from Larry Schultz, Franco Harris, and a few others, and over a thousand people showed up on the Old Main lawn. I'd like to believe that what happened there encouraged Penn Staters to believe that the "story" about the scandal and the sanctions wasn't complete, and there was hope for better days ahead. Then I ran for the BOT and got my butt kicked by PS4RS, but I still got about 2000 alums to vote for me. I got into the arena and tried. WTF have YOU done?
You've called various people jerks, which is classic projection: you and your buddy have deserved that label in spades.
Ok, what exactly have YOU done, other than tooted the horn for your foul-mouthed and ill-mannered buddy. Ten years ago I organized two Rallies for Resignations, with help from Larry Schultz, Franco Harris, and a few others, and over a thousand people showed up on the Old Main lawn. I'd like to believe that what happened there encouraged Penn Staters to believe that the "story" about the scandal and the sanctions wasn't complete, and there was hope for better days ahead. Then I ran for the BOT and got my butt kicked by PS4RS, but I still got about 2000 alums to vote for me. I got into the arena and tried. WTF have YOU done?
You've called various people jerks, which is classic projection: you and your buddy have deserved that label in spades.
Museums have an extremely positive effect on society, in addition to the art & culture benefits. Museums preserve the legacy of humanity, chronicling both the good and the bad, and serve to enrich the lives of countless visitors like you, making the world a more enlightened place for present and future generations. But I suppose many of you don’t care about art because you don’t have an intellectual interest in art. That’s OK. I have other ideas. Maybe they should just do away with all the sports programs which lose money instead, or cut all the coaches salaries in half and just have teams with losing records, or play in the Patriot league. Think of all the tuition dollars we could save. Maybe we could quit giving tenure to professors and just hire grad assistants to teach from now on. That would really save a lot. Or let’s fire half of the bloated administrative staff and have the professors do all their own accounting, legal, HR, insurance, procurement, and building maintenance. I’m sure we’d continue to attract the top professors (and students) if we did that - but hey - at least tuition would be cheap. And we don’t even need to teach art, or French, or other useless liberal arts majors.
Maybe I should run for the Board - I have all the answers. It’s easy.
Maybe I should run for the Board - I have all the answers. It’s easy.
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"full context" my butt. If you recall at the time the University was absolutely getting slammed in the media about the Beta Theta Pi fraternity death and our Board was essentially doing nothing to defend the University. Nothing. In the end they did give away tens of millions of dollars. They're good at that and you are good at lying. Barry called them all a whole bunch of deragatory terms, all of which they deserved.
If you are going to give an example you'll need to provide to "FULL CONTEXT" so that others can remember the circumstance. Try harder next time.
In doing a bit of research i noticed that you continuously objected to the use of "homophobic" terms as you described them, way back in 2016 and 2017. You were the only person objecting at that time.
You nitwit, WE HAVE A MUSEUM, and a real nice museum on campus right now. Fully paid for and the building is beautiful. You'd know this if you had ever taken the time to actually visit. We have no need for another museum or a new museum. I'll bet the renovation cost to the existing building to reconfigure it into usable space wasn't even considered in the cost of the new building.
Sorry, but I peeked. The other day I put you on ignore because you are loudmouth. This is the only response you will see from me.
Yeah I’ve been there. It’s nice but small. I think my master bedroom is larger than the Palmer Museum. I was being sarcastic obviously. But really the crowd on this board doesn’t seem like the museum type. It’s an easy target to pick on. Have you ever been to the museum at the University of Pennsylvania? If so, what did you think of it? How about the Princeton University Art Museum?
Penn's museum is beautiful and I've been there a few times. But I suspect that you know it not a valid comparison, nor could it ever be/nor should it be a valid comparison.
How old are you guys again? 
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You could have thrown in Harvard's Fogg Museum too to make the comparison even more unfair.
How old are you guys again?
I'm compromised. Who can I sue? I'm all for torts now!
Sue everybody! It's no wonder kids are reading books in kindergarten these days.
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Penn State already has museums that hardly anyone visits. You completely ignore costs, and even worse ignore that it is not part of the core mission of the university. You didn't even mention students as beneficiaries, yet they will pay for it with higher tuition.
I'm always amused when people start calling others names and then complain when things escalate.
Guys, let’s stop arguing about stupid stuff like retards, c*cksuckers, tuition, and museums. Just put the statue back the f*ck up and all will be well.
I know you are, but what am I? Takes one to know one. Huh? Loser.
First off, you're complaining about words used fairly commonly, even on this board by some well respected posters, and making them out to be some outlandish and unacceptable term even though it's prevalent in today's media landscape. San Francisco cocksuckers featured prominently in a recent thread with plenty of replies, and no one batted an eye. No one. Apparently they were quoting a popular TV show. Retards was also used by another poster ever so casually to disparage another poster with no comments. That was this board. So, while it's nice to see you care about these terms, I think it's fair to say your characterization of their usage is, shall we say, selective. More importantly I am amused that some people think saddling students needlessly with six figure debt is less oppressive to them than if they are exposed to terms they hear in TV shows, but whatever.
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