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Lurker123 said:
This is also similar to muschamps first 3 years.
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FWIW, Scott was a touch worse overall in his first 3 seasons. Basically the same in conference play: 17-16-1 (10-13)

Holtz, even with the outlier of his 0-11 start, his first 3 seasons were 17-18 (10-14).

Conference records are virtually identical for all 5 coaches. Muschamp gets the best record at 12-12 in conference play over the first 3 years.

There's not a night and day difference between the first 3 seasons for any coach.

5 coaches, 30 years, no statistically significant difference in the results of the first 3 seasons. That probably ought to tell us something.
 
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Lurker123 said:
This is also similar to muschamps first 3 years.
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Spurrier was 21-16 (11-13 in SEC) in his first 3 seasons.
Muschamp was 22-17 (12-12 in SEC) in his first 3 seasons.
Beamer was 20-18 (10-14 in SEC) in his first 3 seasons.

Spurriers' 1st 3 years his team's averaged 25 PPG and gave up 22 PPG
Muschamps' 1st 3 years his team's averaged 25 PPG and gave up 25 PPG
Beamers' 1st 3 years his team's averaged 27 PPG and gave up 26 PPG

The point is, it is way too early to say Beamer is a bust or if he is going to be successful.
 
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Atlanta_Cock said:
Hang around 2 more years. I distinctly recall Scott recruiting the #1 OL class one year too. Beamer came in with even less experience than Scott.
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Yeah. And we lost several of Scott’s class of ol for assorted reasons before they played. Darrell Austin of Union was the only one left standing and he was a quality player. The ones we have now and the ones committed have yet to play out their time so your point is invalid imo. Futhermore, we lose this class and bring in a new staff we run the risk of losing two classes.
 
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DeBoer31 said:
I think Beamer knows a lot of what the job requires, and he's really good at the hand shaking, enthusiasm and kissing babies part. I just wish he would hire the right Coordinators. Coordinators are everything unless you're named Nick Saban. He creates coordinators and gives them life. I'm on board with Beamer because I have to be...but I was upset when he was hired because I thought the direction we would be taking is a direction path to just over .500. We are there. Our hiring gurus HAVE TO go with offensive guy. I personally hate this....but the game's rules favor and so much else is based off of what you can do on the offensive side of the ball the last decade... so you have to go after an offensive innovator. I don't hate Loggains - he's fine. It's just not what is goin to work here at USC given who surrounds us in conference and having an arch rival in a smaller state with a big program as well.
Beamer wants to do a NFL oriented offense. This is his old roots from his dad's outlook. That literally worked last century. It just doesn't work anymore unless you have THE BEST players doing said NFL-oriented offense. Hell Saban even got away from it due to necessity. Coming from Georgia...he ought to know we don't have what they have personnel wise. Coming from OU...he should know you can get chicken salad out of something else even IF you don't have all the dudes in your locker room.

I still stick by my statement from a couple years ago: J. Chadwell was and still could be the way to go.... OR hire the best Air Raid (or Kendal Briles) Coordinator possible and take your shots.
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Beamer doesn’t want a pro style O bc that’s what his dad did. He wants it bc that’s the O that’s dominated the SEC for the last 20+ years. We just saw what was supposed the best OC in the country not score a TD and total 320 yds against our D, that gave up 400 yds and 30+ to every decent offense they played.

Having said that, I do think this O will look different with a dual threat QB.
 
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athenscock3 said:
Yeah. And we lost several of Scott’s class of ol for assorted reasons before they played. Darrell Austin of Union was the only one left standing and he was a quality player. The ones we have now and the ones committed have yet to play out their time so your point is invalid imo. Futhermore, we lose this class and bring in a new staff we run the risk of losing two classes.
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There are rumors of Tree hitting the portal. It's a different world now.
 
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Not trolling. Honest question. If all you can see is doom and gloom with no hope for the future, why bother keeping up with the program? There are plenty of other things you can do with your Saturdays in the fall.
 
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Everyone keeps pointing to Spurrier's record and when he started winning.

Spurrier had a three year run of great results (great by Carolina standards, no championships) surrounded by pretty lackluster seasons. He had wins against Clemson and Georgia sprinkled in but really didn't make Carolina any sort of conference power outside of the three 11 win seasons and he didn't even win the East with those 11 win seasons. He was 5-3 in bowl games and 44-40 in conference games. I think fans should shoot a little higher than matching those results and using Spurrier's tenure as the standard.
 
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Statepawdog said:
Beamer should not be judged on his 2024 record, with the talent on the team, and those eight games that are very difficult, no coach can win six games.
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I sort of see the point. But the talent on the team IS his responsibility, and this will be year 4.

He has 3 ooc patsies and vandy that give him 4 wins off the bat. I bet a few coaches in their 4th year could get wins with UK, missouri, and maybe an A&M team that is steuggling.
 
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Statepawdog said:
Beamer should not be judged on his 2024 record, with the talent on the team, and those eight games that are very difficult, no coach can win six games.
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2024 will be Beamer's FOURTH year as head coach. The talent on the team is what Beamer has put there. The coaches are Beamer's hires. The culture is Beamer's culture. What season should he be judged by, his 7th?

Beamer is pretty well being spotted 4 games next season. Is it unreasonable to expect him to win 2 or 3 others?
 
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Anon1683916639 said:
2024 will be Beamer's FOURTH year as head coach. The talent on the team is what Beamer has put there. The coaches are Beamer's hires. The culture is Beamer's culture. What season should he be judged by, his 7th?

Beamer is pretty well being spotted 4 games next season. Is it unreasonable to expect him to win 2 or 3 others?
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Unreasonable or unrealistic? Which of the following 3 games would you say are realistic wins: Clemson, A&M, Ole Miss, Bama, LSU, UK, Missouri, OU?
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Unreasonable or unrealistic? Which of the following 3 games would you say are realistic wins: Clemson, A&M, Ole Miss, Bama, LSU, UK, Missouri, OU?
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I'd say A&M, Ole Miss, UK, MO and maybe Clemson are winnable games. If Beamer can't find 2 wins out of those 5 in year 4, it is time to move on.

Lack of talent shouldn't be an excuse. The talent is going to be what talent Beamer has brought in over three years. If there is a lack of talent it will be because Beamer can't bring in talent.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Unreasonable or unrealistic? Which of the following 3 games would you say are realistic wins: Clemson, A&M, Ole Miss, Bama, LSU, UK, Missouri, OU?
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Some of the reasoning rubs me wrong, if I'm reading posts correctly.

If Beamer fields a bad enough team, he shouldn't be blamed for any of the losses.... because the team is bad. But he's responsible foe the team at this point....
 
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Lurker123 said:
Some of the reasoning rubs me wrong, if I'm reading posts correctly.

If Beamer fields a bad enough team, he shouldn't be blamed for any of the losses.... because the team is bad. But he's responsible foe the team at this point....
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My point exactly; this is Beamer's team now, the typical "blame the previous coach" mantra doesn't hold water, especially with the portal. Whatever happens next season is all on Beamer and is a good indication of what the future holds.
 
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DaboSits2PeePee said:
Muschamp also had a grand total of 2 ranked wins in 5 years. All Muschamp did was beat bad teams, let UK come in and run over him, and gets demolished by the good teams he played.
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A coach is no better than his record. Period. Let’s quit acting like education matters as well. Those days are over.
 
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